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That the wicket was not always left uncovered ? Wonder what else the point could be :hmmm:
And whoever said wickets were always left uncovered? If you had ever bothered to pick up a book on cricketing history you would not be trying to prove something which most cricket literate people already know. :winky:
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Yep he is naive..and dolt. SRT's fans are also his biggest drawbacks. If they can generate so much hatred from fellow Indians can you imagine how non-Indians would feel? I bet that(hatred from non-Indians) might actually make them feel as if they are doing something good. That seems to be the prevalent trend these days anyways!
Spot on.
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If we agree that Flower was a one man army and there is a league of difference between his and Tendulkar's support' date= how can Tendulkar be a one man army unless you just choose to believe he was? It seems the definition of a one man army is simply whatever makes Tendulkar look like one. :confused:http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1999-2000/IND_IN_AUS/STATS/IND_IN_AUS_NOV1999-FEB2000_TEST_AVS.html http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=722;type=tournament (Sachin was the highest scorer of tournament and next highest from India was N S Sidhu on 28-29 position. Everybody would remember WC SF where things were absolutely OK as long as Sachin was there) http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1996/IND_IN_ENG/STATS/IND_IN_ENG_APR-JUL1996_TEST_AVS.html ( Okay here Ganguly provided some support) Can dig out more such examples.
Ofc I do agree Flower was a one man army. Show me one post where I seem to suggest otherwise. But my contention is the kind of support Sachin got during mid to late 90's, he can easily be considered one man army for that period. Some of the series where he looked like one man army are below.
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Ofc I do agree Flower was a one man army. Show me one post where I seem to suggest otherwise. But my contention is the kind of support Sachin got during mid to late 90's, he can easily be considered one man army for that period. Some of the series where he looked like one man army are below. http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1999-2000/IND_IN_AUS/STATS/IND_IN_AUS_NOV1999-FEB2000_TEST_AVS.html http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=722;type=tournament (Sachin was the highest scorer of tournament and next highest from India was N S Sidhu on 28-29 position. Everybody would remember WC SF where things were absolutely OK as long as Sachin was there) http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1996/IND_IN_ENG/STATS/IND_IN_ENG_APR-JUL1996_TEST_AVS.html ( Okay here Ganguly provided some support) Can dig out more such examples.
I've already said earlier in the thread that outside the subcontinent and for a couple of years when Azhar was out of form, Sidhu had fallen out with the management, and Dravid/Ganguly had not settled in completely Tendulkar was a one man army. How does that equate to the fan boy clamor of 'OMG, Sachin was a one man army in the 90s'? 2 years or so in a 22 year long career is hardly enough to be considered a one man army.
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The bradman bhakts used to harp about the uncovered wkts ad-nauseum feel free to show me one single post of yours that considered this possibility before those videos surfaced. And if you ever bothered to apply a bit of common sense ( instead of mindlessly drooling over any of the propaganda undertaken by Cardus and co ) you would find out that the uncovered wkts were as docile as any wkts unless it rained and Bradman was batting when play resumed while the pitch was still drying. This happened very rarerly ... given that his career span is modest to begin with it is unlikely to affect his batting average adversly.
A lot of the wickets were uncovered, existing covers were rudimentary and water used to regularly seep under (this used to happen if you can remember frequently even till 80s and 90s), and even where covers existed they were used only in case of rain (not at the end of the day's play).
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http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1999-2000/IND_IN_AUS/STATS/IND_IN_AUS_NOV1999-FEB2000_TEST_AVS.html http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=722;type=tournament (Sachin was the highest scorer of tournament and next highest from India was N S Sidhu on 28-29 position. Everybody would remember WC SF where things were absolutely OK as long as Sachin was there) http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1996/IND_IN_ENG/STATS/IND_IN_ENG_APR-JUL1996_TEST_AVS.html ( Okay here Ganguly provided some support) Can dig out more such examples.
Boss some of those examples, say 1996, are hardly one-man army. If you take series-wise approach here is one. http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1980S/1983-84/WI_IN_IND/WI_IN_IND_OCT-DEC1983_TEST_AVS.html 29 wickets in 6 tests, against the best team in the world, on Indian soil, at 18.63 with strike rate of around 40 odds. Beat that..
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I've already said earlier in the thread that outside the subcontinent and for a couple of years when Azhar was out of form' date=' Sidhu had fallen out with the management, and Dravid/Ganguly had not settled in completely Tendulkar was a one man army. How does that equate to the fan boy clamor of 'OMG, Sachin was a one man army in the 90s'? 2 years or so in a 22 year long career is hardly enough to be considered a one man army.[/quote'] There was a time when India's success was highly dependent on Sachin's success and some of that happened during some of the big series' and events like world cup 96, India's tour to Australia, Sharjah series 98 etc. Also we lost some of the very famous test matches because Sachin didn't get any support like Chennai test against Pakistan, Barabdos test in 97. All of these things together had made an impression on general psyche that India's success is totally dependent on Sachin and which I believe was true to a large extent. Kambli's, Jadejas or Sidhus may have scored runs, but we all know that against quality oppositions fan didn't trust them much. Not only this opposition bowlers used to celebrate like a victory once they would get Sachin's wicket. Good example I recall is 99 WC super-six match against Australia. McGrath had got Sachin very early in that match and after that general mood was India has lost the match. This was story of many such matches/ About 2000 onwards. no sane person would say that Sachin has been one man army.
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Boss some of those examples, say 1996, are hardly one-man army.
are you talking about WC 96? I can't find a better example of being one man army. Even on 96 England tour he didn' get much support from anybody other than Ganguly for two of the three test matches. If you take series-wise approach here is one. http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1980S/1983-84/WI_IN_IND/WI_IN_IND_OCT-DEC1983_TEST_AVS.html
29 wickets in 6 tests, against the best team in the world, on Indian soil, at 18.63 with strike rate of around 40 odds. Beat that..
That's surely impressive but I think Sachin's stats of 99-00 Australian tour are comparable in terms of being only performer of the team. Kapil atleast had good support from batting. In Sachin's case bowling was screwed completely and did not provide any support. http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1999-2000/IND_IN_AUS/STATS/IND_IN_AUS_NOV1999-FEB2000_TEST_AVS.html
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