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1CWOzoqxTC0&feature=player_detailpage Tests: Viv Richards 110* of 56 balls .... again Botham :hysterical: I remember watching a clip where he was sweeping Imran Khan in an ODI. I can't find it now .... No wonder Imran thinks he is the best he has bowled to

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Another complain I have against Tendulkar is that he would avoid batting in the top 3 in tests (because it is difficult to do) .... He would bat at 4, when usually you would not be batting in the first session and batting at a time when the ball is just abt in right condition for batting. In ODIs and T20s, he would open for obvious reasons :P

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Another complain I have against Tendulkar is that he would avoid batting in the top 3 in tests (because it is difficult to do) .... He would bat at 4' date=' when usually you would not be batting in the first session and batting at a time when the ball is just abt in right condition for batting. In ODIs and T20s, he would open for obvious reasons :P[/quote'] Why are you so against Tendulkar!!!! :hmmm: SRT's position in test matches is number 4. It may not be as tough as positions 1-3, but it is still difficult and the way he played so many innings should not have risen such doubts... Well, I don't agree that Viv Richards is mediocere. I believe that statement by Bossbhai has been taken out of context!!!!! But without a doubt, SRT is a greater batsman than Viv Richards for all obvious reasons...:icflove:

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Why are you so against Tendulkar!!!! :hmmm: SRT's position in test matches is number 4. It may not be as tough as positions 1-3, but it is still difficult and the way he played so many innings should not have risen such doubts... Well, I don't agree that Viv Richards is mediocere. I believe that statement by Bossbhai has been taken out of context!!!!! But without a doubt, SRT is a greater batsman than Viv Richards for all obvious reasons...:icflove:
I am not against Tendulkar. In fact he is one of my fav players .... I had tears in my eyes when I saw Tendulkar with the WC. I wanted him to win it since 1996 But that doesn't mean I go around proclaiming him as the greatest, when I think he is not, hiding his negatives, or calling other players including the likes of Richards as mediocere. Despite his negatives, Sachin will be special for Indian cricket fans. Pointing out negatives doesn't change that like what a few folks here believe :giggle: I have rated Sachin as the 2nd best test Batsman after Gavaskar. Not because Gavaskar is more skilled but because Gavaskar is IMHO likely to make a bigger impact with him opening the innings, ability to play the best bowlers well, ability to play big innings in tough conditions. But is Gavaskar one of my fav players? The answer is no. If Sehwag continues to play like he is doing now and get big 100s in tests, I might be inclined to put him above Sachin in tests.

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I am not against Tendulkar. In fact he is one of my fav players .... I had tears in my eyes when I saw Tendulkar with the WC. I wanted him to win it since 1996 But that doesn't mean I go around proclaiming him as the greatest, when I think he is not, hiding his negatives, or calling other players including the likes of Richards as mediocere. Despite his negatives, Sachin will be special for Indian cricket fans. Pointing out negatives doesn't change that like what a few folks here believe :giggle: I have rated Sachin as the 2nd best test Batsman after Gavaskar. Not because Gavaskar is more skilled but because Gavaskar is IMHO likely to make a bigger impact with him opening the innings, ability to play the best bowlers well, ability to play big innings in tough conditions. But is Gavaskar one of my fav players? The answer is no. If Sehwag continues to play like he is doing now and get big 100s in tests, I might be inclined to put him above Sachin in tests.
Rett couldnt agree more with you except the bolded portion. I think gavaskar greatness against quality attacks in tough conditions is undeniable. But he lacked another gear to his game. Sachin could take the attack to the bowlers while Gavaskars was more of a grinder. However i also beliebe that because of the weakness of Indoan batting line up Gavaskar could never express himself.

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Admire the way you guys claim to be cricket fan, cricket guru and Indian.. Then you compare Sachin with Sehwag and Gavaskar anticipating some mudslinging by their own fans to their own heroes. Its called sadistic pleasure and probably first step toward developing some serious psychopathic illelness

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Rett couldnt agree more with you except the bolded portion. I think gavaskar greatness against quality attacks in tough conditions is undeniable. But he lacked another gear to his game. Sachin could take the attack to the bowlers while Gavaskars was more of a grinder. However i also beliebe that because of the weakness of Indoan batting line up Gavaskar could never express himself.
That's true that Sachin can attack more than Gavaskar but from, what I recall, in the 90s, when we use to tour SA many used to say only if we had Gavaskar. Hardly anyone said that we have Tendulkar and Azharuddin so we should do well. That's because many knew that a Tendulkar or an Azhar could play one or two good knocks but Gavaskar could potentially do well consistently and get big 100s like a double in testing conditions The thing about Richards is that bowlers feared his attack, while with Gavaskar bowlers feared if they could even beat his bat. Despite their contrasting styles, these two are probably two stand out test players amongst the group of legends

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That is International cricket. Do you understand the difference between International cricket & First class cricket? If you don't then there's no point of further discussion. If you do understand the difference then you would've never combined stats of International cricket with first class cricket.
Similar concept :winky:

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I vividly remember that on one of the tours to SA, even Donald had remarked that India needs Gavaskar in the middle than in the commentry box :P PS talking about the tours to SA, I remember Tendulkar and Azhar had a great partnership with both of them scoring 100s. And many Indian fans were surprised (and ofc happy) that they hot 100s and showed some fight. But that surprise also tells that many didn't even expect them to hit 100s

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Similar concept :winky:
Yep. Since people here pick and choose stats to define and show them as they please they should be the last ones to complain. After all no one is an authority here to set the parameters on what should count and what should not. So as of now SRT is behind Viv by some 7000 odd runs scored since each one of them started to play the game till date. Let us see if SRT has that one last push in him to catch up with Sir Viv. :-)

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I still wonder why Rett is not sharing the data based on which he claimed Sachin dunn even average 40 against McGrath and Donald and whoever else. What's with it Rett? Did those numbers come from your match fixing claim box or what? why are you so fuqqig scared to share the data?

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I still wonder why Rett is not sharing the data based on which he claimed Sachin dunn even average 40 against McGrath and Donald and whoever else. What's with it Rett? Did those numbers come from your match fixing claim box or what? why are you so fuqqig scared to share the data?
Haha, I like it how you are cringing for data. :hysterical: PS you are better left with cringing for data and wondering what's being talked about :P

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He and his cronies have been trying pathetically that they are Indian cricket fans and actually follow Indian cricket since post number 160...
^another toon on the forum :hysterical: .... trying so hard to flame :P

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If someone argues that Chapell came to India with one goal. Take down Sachin so that Bradman can remain at top... It may be difficult to keep up with...
Is that a serious post? :giggle: .... Who would even bother to argue that Chappell came to Ind with that goal when the Mumbai crowd "booed" him during that time. There were calls for his retirement from some quarters .... forget comparison with Bradman

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We love cricket. We understand cricket. Our understanding isnt based on statsguru. We dont watch cricket on espncricinfo live scorecard...Our understanding is based on the way batsman bats.We see it. Dravid is most elegant batsman in the history of cricket. But we love Sachin. Why.... Because he hits the ball just a fraction of second before any other batsman will do.beacuse Ball doesnt beat his bat. Sachin allways reaches the ball. Runs, records, centuries all, are bi product... What we really love is his batting. His dominance... Teams pre plan against Sachin. Not with only plan A, But plan B, and plan C. And still at this age he is most prized indian wicket for any bowler.... BCCI is what it is today because of Sachin... His impact change the dynamics of world cricket.. Do hell with what all time greats say....Just becauase they dont vote Murali doesnt mean Murali isnt great.. ( Murali is not even in the all time great list. Warne is at 4th...Even Fuddu Laker is is in top 50...) I dont want you to agree, Sachin is best. IF cricket greats can be biased why cant someone like you .. frankly , I dont care... But please please please....Understand one thing... If you cant take others opinion seriously others may start doing the same...
Another gem by Mishra the great comedian :hatsoff: :hysterical:

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Admire the way you guys claim to be cricket fan' date=' cricket guru and Indian.. Then you compare Sachin with Sehwag and Gavaskar anticipating some mudslinging by their own fans to their own heroes. Its called sadistic pleasure and probably first step toward developing some serious psychopathic illelness[/quote'] ^ comedy king :haha: I guess, I am suppose to be a Paki :P

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I have to say' date=' I salute Rana,Sir_afridi, Serani, Wodbblydodgy . Atleast they are proud to admit what they are[/quote'] :hysterical: My name his Haji Md Ismail bin sultan ahmed uzbekistan :P

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Probably this was nearest to the truth you can go.... :two_thumbs_up: No issues... You tried. Fyll marks for that
You deserve the marks for the comedy and showing why srt fanatics are amongst the most laughed at bunch :hatsoff:

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Some people [cough**rett**cough] are born with immunity towards any type of humiliation, which makes them rather enjoy it. For the rest, why provide him and the likes with something that they enjoy?

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Some people [cough**rett**cough] are born with immunity towards any type of humiliation, which makes them rather enjoy it. For the rest, why provide him and the likes with something that they enjoy?
Appears as if some folks are so facinated by me :P .... Today, I learned a lot about myself like I am a Paki and now this :hysterical:

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Similar concept :winky:
Yep. Since people here pick and choose stats to define and show them as they please they should be the last ones to complain. After all no one is an authority here to set the parameters on what should count and what should not. So as of now SRT is behind Viv by some 7000 odd runs scored since each one of them started to play the game till date. Let us see if SRT has that one last push in him to catch up with Sir Viv. :-)
So now that you've all got tired of comparing different players' international performances to Goddy, you are down to First Class cricket :hehe:

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Sachin cant make a Aussie,a paki or a pom or a carribean happy...Can he? He isnt playing for them. That biggest complain.
Admire the way you guys claim to be cricket fan, cricket guru and Indian.. Then you compare Sachin with Sehwag and Gavaskar anticipating some mudslinging by their own fans to their own heroes. Its called sadistic pleasure and probably first step toward developing some serious psychopathic illelness
He and his cronies have been trying pathetically that they are Indian cricket fans and actually follow Indian cricket since post number 160...
Dung beetles are beetles that feed partly or exclusively on feces, All of these species belong to the superfamily Scarabaeoidea; As most species of Scarabaeinae feed exclusively on feces, that subfamily is often dubbed true dung beetles. Dung beetles live in many different habitats, including desert, farmland, forest, and grasslands. They do not prefer extremely cold or dry weather. They are found on all continents except Antarctica.
Appears as if he has realized Viv > SRT :hysterical:

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So now that you've all got tired of comparing different players' international performances to Goddy' date=' you are down to First Class cricket :hehe:[/quote'] From what I recall, someone not so long ago was comparing Sir Gary Sobers FC record to show he is inferior to Tendulkar :winky: .... I guess you didn't mind that :P PS such threads increase my post count

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Appears as if some folks are so facinated by me :P .... Today' date=' I learned a lot about myself like I am a Paki and now this :hysterical:[/quote'] Still using the same old trick... :two_thumbs_up: I thought you have been on the board long enough to know who will say you what.... :haha: :haha: :haha:

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Still using the same old trick... :two_thumbs_up: I thought you have been on the board long enough to know who will say you what.... :haha: :haha: :haha:
Nah, I didn't even know that a new (thegreat) clown has joined the comedy brigade before this thread :hysterical:

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Nah' date=' I didn't even know that a new (thegreat) [b']clown has joined the comedy brigade before this thread :hysterical:
It hurts you so much just because someone caught you in the act... Believe me I have graduated in your cricket leage too....

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So now that you've all got tired of comparing different players' international performances to Goddy' date=' you are down to First Class cricket :hehe:[/quote']Hang in there. You never know. If SRT gets those 7k runs it will be a fair game for you. Have some patience. :-)

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Lets look at this as well ... SRT has played a total of 540+280 = 820 Matches ( List A + FC) . Out of those a whopping 76.8% have been Intl matches ( 177 + 453 = 630 ; 630/820 = 0.768 ) and has scored nearly 85% of Vivs runs ( 45,000/53000) On the other hand Viv has played only 308 out of the Total 1007 matches that were at Intl level which amounts to 30.5%. In other words Even though VIV had the pleasure of filling in his boots against non-intl Teams he is just about 8K runs ahead and that too over a huge difference of 187 matches ( = 1007 - 820 ). I will let others to tell you what this means in simpler ( and perhaps more cruder ) way because I dont think you have the capacity to understand the lopsided nature of the comparison.
I thought when you brag about SRT's 30k plus international runs you never care to talk about the more number of games he played in comparison to others like say a Ponting or a Kallis. Now all of a sudden when he is about 8k runs short of Viv since both started to play cricket till date the number of games. innings etc become very important. I see. Whatever suits our agenda is it.

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I thought when you brag about SRT's 30k plus international runs you never care to talk about the more number of games he played in comparison to others like say a Ponting or a Kallis. Now all of a sudden when he is about 8k runs short of Viv since both started to play cricket till date the number of games. innings etc become very important. I see. Whatever suits our agenda is it.
I think this closes the debate :--D

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I vividly remember that on one of the tours to SA, even Donald had remarked that India needs Gavaskar in the middle than in the commentry box :P PS talking about the tours to SA, I remember Tendulkar and Azhar had a great partnership with both of them scoring 100s. And many Indian fans were surprised (and ofc happy) that they hot 100s and showed some fight. But that surprise also tells that many didn't even expect them to hit 100s
BossBhai, why should you respond seriously after reading brilliant (cr@p) posts like this!? :((

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Where did I say it is very important in my previous post ? The whole idea of that post was to show you the lopsided % of Domestic matches that contributed to his tally and yet being not too far ahead. I mean he has played more than twice as many Domestic matches as Tendulkar and you are trying to claim that it is the same as SRT playing more international matches than Ponting and Kallis ? If it isnt obvious then here it is again : It is far more harder to qualify for Intl matches than it is for Domestic ... so whatever lead Viv has is meaningless even then he will get within 10% of that mark which is what is making you go beet red in your face as you simply cannot stand seeing your favourite cricketers getting owned in that manner while you try to mask your true colors behind your monicker as though you are some Tendulkar fan.
No if's and but's buddy boy. Viv is 8k runs ahead of SRT at this point. Hope SRT has it in him to get to 53k runs. We will talk then.
And don't try to tell me that you will suddenly start praising Tendulkar if he crosses the 53K run mark of Viv. The chances of you doing that are non-existent.
Let SRT first cross 53k runs. And you should be the last person to talk about people praising other players.

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I actually find this Rett fellow...I mean there's no word to describe him. Guess you guys also would realize what I am saying if you read his posts on rsc. He goes by the name "Call Center" over there. My God, the bugger tries his smilies in there too but luckily rsc being a usenet group we are spared of his smilies and they come out just as characters. But God, you gotta read his posts. There is no way anyone can tell if a match is fixed better than CC and boy according to him almost every game is fixed. India's WC triumph was fixed. Australia losing to India in QF was fixed! Pak losing to India was fixed. SL losing to India was fixed. People pity him there, asking him how he finds any match interesting enough to watch or why he even watches cricket when he knows that the match is fixed. And typically CC/Rett goes off into another post asserting the fix. the poor chap dunn seem to know the difference between betting and fixing. And this one is for CC a la Rett :--D

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If someone is still pretending that SRT is not the greatest batsman ever on this planet then they need to start slapping themselves till reality finally hits
This!!

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I actually find this Rett fellow...I mean there's no word to describe him. Guess you guys also would realize what I am saying if you read his posts on rsc. He goes by the name "Call Center" over there. My God' date= the bugger tries his smilies in there too but luckily rsc being a usenet group we are spared of his smilies and they come out just as characters. But God, you gotta read his posts. There is no way anyone can tell if a match is fixed better than CC and boy according to him almost every game is fixed. India's WC triumph was fixed. Australia losing to India in QF was fixed! Pak losing to India was fixed. SL losing to India was fixed. People pity him there, asking him how he finds any match interesting enough to watch or why he even watches cricket when he knows that the match is fixed. And typically CC/Rett goes off into another post asserting the fix. the poor chap dunn seem to know the difference between betting and fixing. And this one is for CC a la Rett :--D
Wow, now I am some guy called 'call center' at some place called rsc .... this is getting interesting :hysterical: I thought your analysis were dumb but good to know that you started connecting me with people elsewhere .... Appears as if you get laughed at other places too :giggle: Some of these SRT fanatics are dumber than I even imagined .... One wrote I am a Paki, other wrote some non-sense, thrid is dreaming about abusing me (as if I won't kick his ass like usual), now this guy Vijay Kumar (earlier Nirvanam, who was earlier laughed out of threads) is calling me 'call center' .... and then these people believe Sachin is the greatest :hysterical:

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lol ... jack ass you got stuck again ? Don't worry it happens when you don't recognize the difference between Domestic Matches and Intl Matches and your favorite players domestic record gets owned by Runs made mostly in Intl Matches alone
Nice. I got under your skin. Take a deep breath now. And by the way who the hell are you to decide what the criteria should be? First you mix and match Tests and ODI's as you please on various threads to suit your argument whether it makes sense or not to others and then have the gall to question others and tell them what they should and should not consider. Now it is time to suck up. No if's and but's. SRT needs 8k runs. Ask him to suit up for as many games as he can and make up for it and then we will talk.
And I see you yet again avoided the question on Bradman like the plague. poor thing. Next time don't try to position your ass as though it is the embodiment of fairness and what not. You will get found out very quickly here.
That is the second time in one post I got under your skin. Speaking about being found out the only thing that we ever found out here is that you are a fanatic of a player not a fan mind you that on a daily basis like a 4 year old kid throw tantrums threatening to open meaningless threads even if the Mods choose to close them for obvious reasons, brag about wanting to abuse other members if the mods do not act as you see deem fit and question the mods action every step of the way. I think that sums it up.

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And this one is for CC a la Rett :--D
I can't stop laughing reading this .... He is writing absolute lies with confidence (imagine his thought process and what he would have gone through to even bother making such a connection) :giggle: .... hopefully, this will open his eyes to not be that confident about his virtuoso batsmen analysis :hysterical:

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