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For how Long can MSD be the captain due to the TINA factor?

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Dhoni is handicap in Test.. - Operners are not firing - Seniors are not firing - Cant fire seniors for being seniors - Cant move SRT up or down the order cuz he has fixed place - Cant make RD or VVS sit out a game when they are out of form - Bowler's are too inconsistent There is no way can a captain be so successful in ODI and T20 formats (the agressive formats) and failure in Test for being defensive.. and personally, I think, he is termed as defensive for not showing too many emotioins on the field..

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Dhoni is handicap in Test.. - Operners are not firing - Seniors are not firing - Cant fire seniors for being seniors - Cant move SRT up or down the order cuz he has fixed place - Cant make RD or VVS sit out a game when they are out of form - Bowler's are too inconsistent There is no way can a captain be so successful in ODI and T20 formats (the agressive formats) and failure in Test for being defensive.. and personally, I think, he is termed as defensive for not showing too many emotioins on the field..
+1 Ii also think he is getting the flak for the loss is because he doesnt show any emotions...

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Ganguly could captain. Attacking skipper' date=' always backing bowlers.Almost always got the best out of Bhajji somehow. Dhoni's 'luck' has run it's course and he is being exposed in tests as the [b']fraud he is.
Fraud? Where did that come from? Anyway Dhoni is a lousy Test captain but he is a damn good limited overs captain.

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Captain is as good as his team,Dhoni captaincy was never attacking but he was great tactician and took risks ,Remember the 8-1 field in nagpur test agianst australia which won us the game,But with years he has become prone to take the safe option and also has publicly critisized many of his teammates which is not right .

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Captain is as good as his team' date='Dhoni captaincy was never attacking [b']but he was great tactician,Remember the 8-1 field in nagpur test agianst australia which won us the game,B
But that was it. He has been very laid back off late and there is no tactic or strategy to him now. Look at this, there was no swing or seam, but he did not try and make thing happen. He just let them play as they wanted. He had 2 145K bowl and he never tried to be aggressive and set a short leg and 2 fielders back for pull and hook and ask his bowlers to bowl effort bouncers at Hussy and Clark who both are suspicious against bouncers. Never asked his bowlers to bowl full around off stump to Ponting and set a short cover and cover for uppish drives on off or through midwicket. Look at how they set a square field for Sehwag and bowled wide and short outside off. There must be some plans to every batsman as they need to bowl to them. Cricket is played as much in mind as on the field.

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But that was it. He has been very laid back off late and there is no tactic or strategy to him now. Look at this, there was no swing or seam, but he did not try and make thing happen. He just let them play as they wanted. He had 2 145K bowl and he never tried to be aggressive and set a short leg and 2 fielders back for pull and hook and ask his bowlers to bowl effort bouncers at Hussy and Clark who both are suspicious against bouncers. Never asked his bowlers to bowl full around off stump to Ponting and set a short cover and cover for uppish drives on off or through midwicket. Look at how they set a square field for Sehwag and bowled wide and short outside off. There must be some plans to every batsman as they need to bowl to them. Cricket is played as much in mind as on the field.
Agree .But what are coaching staff and senior players doing?surely they can advise him.We need to sack our bowling coach first and then we move on.

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Agree .But what are coaching staff and senior players doing?surely they can advise him.We need to sack our bowling coach first and then we move on.
On field tactics and strategies are done by captain. Coach can do whatever he wants only in the nets. I hope our bowling coach work on methodical practice with fast bowlers rather than just feeding to batsmen in the nets.

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This might be controversial but I think India should have watched last Ashes series and should have planned accordingly and made their tactics based on that. England is the only team to beat Australia in Australia in last 10 years and recently as well.

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This might be controversial but I think India should have watched last Ashes series and should have planned accordingly and made their tactics based on that. England is the only team to beat Australia in Australia in last 10 years and recently as well.
South Africa won 2-1 in Australia in 2008/09. (Of course, Oz got them back 2-1 in South Africa a few months later.)

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Dhoni is handicap in Test.. - Operners are not firing - Seniors are not firing - Cant fire seniors for being seniors - Cant move SRT up or down the order cuz he has fixed place - Cant make RD or VVS sit out a game when they are out of form - Bowler's are too inconsistent There is no way can a captain be so successful in ODI and T20 formats (the agressive formats) and failure in Test for being defensive.. and personally, I think, he is termed as defensive for not showing too many emotioins on the field..
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Dhoni's excuse watch thread Another gutless, pathetic, display, another humiliation what is our great captain cool going to say this time? 4/0 whats the excuse? The pitch was too bouncy? We are chasing personal milestones? Wonder what captain cool is going to say today.

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TINA or no TINA, MSD should be sacked from captaincy. Someone has to be made accountable for this shameless decline in the team and it has to start with a skipper who has hogged all the credit so far for the successes of the team. Rahane, Rohit, Kohli and Saha- all 4 of them should play the next test which means Sehwag, VVS and MSD sitting out.

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No Dhoni said recently, that they have been competitive both in eng and in aus...he said it doesn't matter if you win or lose as long as you compete. He will say the same again..

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Post-match presentation Dhoni: "We didn't perform well up till now. Warner played really well, in that one session he took the game away from us. The failure in the batting definitely hurt us." Dhoni backs the seniors by saying "Class is always there, they have the experience, its just in two back-to-back series that we have failed." "What has happened, the last couple of series, we have not adapted well to the conditions quickly enough. Winning in Adelaide is the only motivation we have now, the bowlers have shown they can take wickets, we need to put the runs on the board."

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"What has happened, the last couple of series, we have not adapted well to the conditions quickly enough. Winning in Adelaide is the only motivation we have now, the bowlers have shown they can take wickets, we need to put the runs on the board."
And what has the team done to adapt to the conditions? Go-karting?:hmmm:

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BUMP Dhoni's time as captain is up. The longer selectors take to replace him, the worse it will get for us. Too many tactical errors, too much of rigidity in his approach, team looking a divided house. Not sure how that helps us at a time when we are in the transition phase and have some youngsters in the side. Both the test and ODI teams need a new leader. Ask MSD to step down or else sack him from captaincy and rebuild the team around a new captain.

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This has been rehashed many a time, but what exactly does Jadeja now bring. Its disappointing after a good spell in ODIs before this tour and a good T20 match....is it the pitches that he is cannot adjust both bowling and batting on? Raina has been bowling well enough for Jadeja to be dropped and another batsman in. Irfan did not have a good game today either after a good initial couple of overs. There is only so much the skipper can do when his batsmen are folding like ninepins. Seems to have held the fort well in the field

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This has been rehashed many a time, but what exactly does Jadeja now bring. Its disappointing after a good spell in ODIs before this tour and a good T20 match....is it the pitches that he is cannot adjust both bowling and batting on? Raina has been bowling well enough for Jadeja to be dropped and another batsman in. Irfan did not have a good game today either after a good initial couple of overs. There is only so much the skipper can do when his batsmen are folding like ninepins. Seems to have held the fort well in the field
And who gives Jadeja a guaranteed spot in the team? MSD Who decides Jadeja should bat ahead of Irfan and Ashwin? MSD Who ensures that everytime a team is 100/4, the field is spread and part timers bowl? MSD Who decides Raina continues to bat higher than MSD despite repeated failures? MSD As I said, he has lost his mojo. Whats the point in letting him lead the side on Asian pitches where we know we will do well. Much rather get in a new captain and let him rebuild the team.

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And who gives Jadeja a guaranteed spot in the team? MSD Who decides Jadeja should bat ahead of Irfan and Ashwin? MSD Who ensures that everytime a team is 100/4, the field is spread and part timers bowl? MSD Who decides Raina continues to bat higher than MSD despite repeated failures? MSD As I said, he has lost his mojo. Whats the point in letting him lead the side on Asian pitches where we know we will do well. Much rather get in a new captain and let him rebuild the team.
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Dhoni is the best captain. Give him shiiiteeee players, he will obviously perform shiitee. I cant think of any captain that can handle the current bunch of players we have better then Dhoni himself atm. We starting to look like the olden days, as soon as we dont start performing.......we all start a riot asking for the scalps of the coach and captain. Never the players themselves who arent performing.

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Dhoni is the best captain. Give him shiiiteeee players, he will obviously perform shiitee. I cant think of any captain that can handle the current bunch of players we have better then Dhoni himself atm. We starting to look like the olden days, as soon as we dont start performing.......we all start a riot asking for the scalps of the coach and captain. Never the players themselves who arent performing.
Knock Knock If you select the same players who are not performing over and over and over again what do you expect.Captain gets the credit for victories and should also take the blame for defeat.

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Knock Knock If you select the same players who are not performing over and over and over again what do you expect.
So you will be happy with him as captain if he dropped the so called "non performing players" and played the reserves and still lost? I know you will say we could have given them a shot and may have played out well. But what does that achieve? These players were picked in the first place hoping to perform in this country. If they cant do that, so be it. But finding some relief in seeing reserves performing is nothing to write home about. I think we need to look at the bigger picture, not just some desperate last minute tweaks and moves in the team to salvage something.

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So you will be happy with him as captain if he dropped the so called "non performing players" and played the reserves and still lost? I know you will say we could have given them a shot and may have played out well. But what does that achieve? These players were picked in the first place hoping to perform in this country. If they cant do that, so be it. But finding some relief in seeing reserves performing is nothing to write home about. I think we need to look at the bigger picture, not just some desperate last minute tweaks and moves in the team to salvage something.
Its not some charity match we are playing,If somebody does not perform he needs to be dropped and next man gets his chance. After 2 white washes only bigger picture is to have a new leader with new ideas,Odis series come and go,But the ream problem is test cricket.

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Time for Dhoni to step down as skipper: Bedi Blaming Mahendra Singh Dhoni for the apparent 'rift' in the Indian cricket team in Australia, former captain Bishan Singh Bedi today said that time has now come for the side to have a new Test skipper. Bedi felt that Dhoni had failed to maintain harmony in the Indian team in Australia by stating that the three senior openers could not be in the team together as they were slow fielders. Asked if Dhoni should be removed from Test captaincy, Bedi said, "This is the job of selectors and I don't wish to pressurise them. But personally speaking Dhoni might have his day. I think there is definitely room for a new Test captain. "To a certain extent, the dissensions in the team in Australia has undermined his captaincy. He (Dhoni) created it (dissension) by himself. He was the first one to speak to the media," Bedi told Karan Thapar in CNN-IBN's 'Devil's Advocate' programme. "Most definitely things have gone out of control of Dhoni and so he should be replaced," he added. Asked if Dhoni's leadership was found wanting in Australia, Bedi said, "Dhoni was struggling as a leader. A leader's job is to keep the team together and not to allow drift among players in different directions. He did not show the leadership which was desired. "He (Dhoni) should not have made those negative comments (of senior players being slow fielders). Not at all. The same thing (Virender) Sehwag did after Dhoni. Two wrongs do not make one right and the boys, especially the youngsters, were all over the place," said Bedi. "But there are too many conflicting interests here. Dhoni plays for Chennai Super Kings in IPL, a team owned by BCCI President and chief selector as a brand ambassador," he said. Bedi said that apart from the lack of leadership qualities, Dhoni was not performing consistently in the Test arena as a wicketkeeper and a batsman.

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Kaptan change is justified but the problem is neither seniors nor juniors are performing.We have officially entered our darkest phase,bhagwaan bachaye Indian kirket ko :fear:

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as a batsmen he is good in odi`s' date=' but captain should be changed[/quote'] How did he fail as a captain today? He used his bowlers well today, India made a great come back in last 10 overs, Have you looked at averages of Sachin, Sehwag, Rohit and Raina/Jadeja? All average between 10-20.

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How did he fail as a captain today? He used his bowlers well today' date=' India made a great come back in last 10 overs, Have you looked at averages of Sachin, Sehwag, Rohit and Raina/Jadeja? All average between 10-20.[/quote'] I think Bedi's talking about test captaincy. He should remain captain of ODI team atleast till 2015WC. In anycase he has to take care of his fitness and test cricket will affect his ODI performances. He's anyway indicated of quitting test captaincy after 2013.

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Agree with Bedi. He shouldn't be test captain ' date=' but who should replace him ??[/quote'] Not much options other than Gauti. Need to groom young test captain. Kohli can't be test captain when he becomes senior. Saha can be groomed once Dhoni leaves the test scene. Nohit is a lazy ****.

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