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Indian batsman have seen off Murali and Warne in India. Swann is nothing to fear compared to those two.
They had also seen McGrath Steyn and other great bowlers and did better than what they did against likes of Hilfenhaus, Broad, Bresnan and Siddle who are nothing compared to those bowlers. This current team can struggle against anyone.

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They had also seen McGrath Steyn and other great bowlers and did better than what they did against likes of Hilfenhaus' date=' Broad, Bresnan and Siddle who are nothing compared to those bowlers. This current team can struggle against anyone.[/quote'] I agree on this. But let's hope for better result.

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It would be very good effort by Indian team if they manage to win the series by 1-0 or 2-1. In that case. A draw won't be bad result.
:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: What ? If India can't beat England in India then they should stop playing cricket . Isn't this same team that lost 5-0 to Ravindra Jadeja ?

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They had also seen McGrath Steyn and other great bowlers and did better than what they did against likes of Hilfenhaus' date=' Broad, Bresnan and Siddle who are nothing compared to those bowlers. This current team can struggle against anyone.[/quote'] True but India are always stronger at home. It will be a close series though. Ojha may be India's key bowler IMO.

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:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: What ? If India can't beat England in India then they should stop playing cricket . Isn't this same team that lost 5-0 to Ravindra Jadeja ?
At least this England team is better than England team of 2006 and 2008. We hardly managed to draw the series in 2006 and won 2008 series just because of that brilliant inning by Sehwag. During those two tours also we won all ODI matches (except for incomplete matches), 6-0 in 2006 and 5-0 in 2008. Our players were in better form at that time. What's so funny about this?

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At least this England team is better than England team of 2006 and 2008. We managed to draw the series in 2006 and won 2008 series just because of that brilliant inning by Sehwag. During those two tours also we won all ODI matches (except for incomplete matches). Our players were in better form at that time. What's so funny about this?
Have you seen batting of this England team against spin ? :hysterical::hysterical: This is lolworthy . I expect a series victory for India on turning tracks without losing a test if we play to our potential.

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Have you seen batting of this England team against spin ? :hysterical::hysterical:
We don't have world class spinners. Their batsmen such against spin, but our bowling just not good enough to completely destroy them. Bowlers would need rank turners to do anything like that.

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He hasn't got home advantage and turning tracks in tests yet. :winky:
Swann is successful against lefties, not so against righties. Check his stats against them and see the difference. India only have on lefty in GG.

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We don't have world class spinners. Their batsmen such against spin' date=' but our bowling just not good enough to completely destroy them. Bowlers would need rank turners to do anything like that.[/quote'] True but if Herath can run through England, i think Pragyan OJha is also more than capable of causing them problems. I don't think Herath is particularly good. On top of that, Zaheer Khan and Umesh Yadav should cause the England batsman more problems than any of the Sri Lankan pace attack did.

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To piss the poms off. Their players and journalists hate the place. :giggle:
what Poms will be there for almost 2 weeks? they have practice game there as well

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True but if Herath can run through England' date= i think Pragyan OJha is also more than capable of causing them problems. I don't think Herath is particularly good. On top of that, Zaheer Khan and Umesh Yadav should cause the England batsman more problems than any of the Sri Lankan pace attack did.
That type of thing is hardly happening with Indian team these days. Just see Samuels and Sammy today. They scored easily against England whereas Indian team struggled to cross 300 against them even if our batsmen were more capable than Samuels and Sammy. Indian bowlers struggled even against inexperienced WI batting line-up.

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Guys stop worrying. Prepare turning wickets and pick any half decent spinner with Ojha and see Eng struggle. Mental scars from last winter will play in your hands. I expect Sehwag to hammer them up front and rest should do well.

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Guys stop worrying. Prepare turning wickets and pick any half decent spinner with Ojha and see Eng struggle. Mental scars from last winter will play in your hands. I expect Sehwag to hammer them up front and rest should do well.
Can Aswhin be your half decent spinner?

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Ashwin has not impressed me so far in longer version but next home season is important for him.
Bowled like a beast in his debut series vs WI at home. Next 10 home tests could see him enhance his reputation massively, especially if we finally decide not to welcome visiting sides with flat pattas. Must admit though that his fitness is a massive concern right now. Needs to cut down on the flab

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Bowled like a beast in his debut series vs WI at home. Next 10 home tests could see him enhance his reputation massively' date=' especially if we finally decide not to welcome visiting sides with flat pattas. Must admit though that his fitness is a massive concern right now. Needs to cut down on the flab[/quote'] Having DRS will help him against laadlay bachay of England.

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Bowled like a beast in his debut series vs WI at home. Next 10 home tests could see him enhance his reputation massively' date=' especially if we finally decide not to welcome visiting sides with flat pattas. Must admit though that his fitness is a massive concern right now. Needs to cut down on the flab[/quote'] He bowled well against the Windies but they can't bat for ****. Ojha has been our best spinner in home conditions in recent times. He is always economical and his figures were not much worse than Ashwin against the Windies. The problem with Ojha is that he can't field and is probably the worst batsman we have in the national set-up.

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He bowled well against the Windies but they can't bat for ****. Ojha has been our best spinner in home conditions in recent times. He is always economical and his figures were not much worse than Ashwin against the Windies. The problem with Ojha is that he can't field and is probably the worst batsman we have in the national set-up.
Yes Ojha is a far better bowler then Ashwin. He is unlucky that he is playing in this era of fitness before skill. This guy should be your main spinner in the side. How about Sir Ravendra Jadeja making the team at #7 and extra spin option against the team he beat 5-0 in ODIs last winter.

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Yes Ojha is a far better bowler then Ashwin. He is unlucky that he is playing in this era of fitness before skill. This guy should be your main spinner in the side. How about Sir Ravendra Jadeja making the team at #7 and extra spin option against the team he beat 5-0 in ODIs last winter.
Not sure it would work. England are a far better test team than an ODI side. They have not done too badly in their last 2 test tours of India. It would be a risk to start with Jadeja. Also Dhoni at 6 in tests is probably not the best idea.

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Selections for India v England Series 2012 Time for some serious stuff, the CLT20 can't get over quick enough :wall: So just about 6 weeks to go before 1st Test at Motera. England have already announced their squad for India. I am excited to see who these new selectors go for. :dance: There has been plenty of cricket going on last few weeks in India and abroad and good few weeks left before selectors decide. But we can all speculate. Plenty of opportunities in the headaches that currently present themselves. On top of my head: -Dhoni's captaincy -Gambhir & Sehwag combo -Musical chairs with number 6 slot continues -Bhajji, Raina, Yuvi, Dinda, Chawla all to need keep out of selectors' thoughts:pray: -What to make of Robin Bist, Murli Vijay, Mandeep Singh, Rayudu, Saha, Mukund, Shami, Ishant My starting XI for 1st Test: Sehwag, Rahane, Pujara, Tendu, Kohli (capt), Rayudu, Dhoni, Ashwin, Ojha, Yadav, Zaheer -Time to move on from Dhoni era -If Sehwag fails courtesy of the usual then replace him with Mukund or ask Pujara to open and bring in one of Bist or Mandeep. -Could do with a batting all-rounder, preferably a spin option. -On flat Motera wicket, maybe drop a specialist batsman and bring in another bowler.

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-On flat Motera wicket, maybe drop a specialist batsman and bring in another bowler.
Can't afford to do that. 5 batsman, 2 of whom are extremely inexperienced + Dhoni is risky against England's bowling. Broad showed what he could do on dead wickets in the UAE and Finn...well....He can seam the ball both ways at 95MPH....

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Time to bring in Saha who is a fantastic keeper and bat, new captain needed, Murali Vijay deserves a long run,Irfan the senior bowler with Shami given a chance. My squad Sachin Sehwag Gambhir Pujara Rahane Kohli Rohit Saha Yuvraj Irfan Shami Ashwin Ojha Aaron Rahul Zak Aaron , Ishant , Yuvraj , Shami ,Sehwag can be switched depending on fitness and form

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i would even retain Viru. Gambhir no no. He has developed serious technical problems. Now he has lot of confidence issues as well. it is suicidal to walk into a critical series with two out of form openers. Rahane is a must. Not sure if he should open. I need an additional spinner in the squad.

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Can't afford to do that. 5 batsman' date=' 2 of whom are extremely inexperienced + Dhoni is risky against England's bowling. Broad showed what he could do on dead wickets in the UAE and Finn...well....He can seam the ball both ways at[b']95MPH....
:omg: when did that happened .

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Rohit question will be a interesting. His record certainly suggests he suited for the longer form. And his off-spin can be very handy. But the form and confidence he has been in the last two months at International level does not bode well for facing a strong Test team. In his India A tour to West Indies in July he played only one innings of substance out of 8 innings, whilst failing miserable in the other 7. Selectors missed a trick not sending Rohit to NZ.

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Rohit question will be a interesting. His record certainly suggests he suited for the longer form. And his off-spin can be very handy. But the form and confidence he has been in the last two months at International level does not bode well for facing a strong Test team. In his India A tour to West Indies in July he played only one innings of substance out of 8 innings, whilst failing miserable in the other 7. Selectors missed a trick not sending Rohit to NZ.
warmup match before the actual test will give you more idea about Rahane, Rohit, Rayudu, Mandeep, etc. whoever plays. He did play one superb innings in WI, but others like Rahane, Mukund, Dhawan did not play even one innings of that kind. Those were some tough pitches to bat on and the one innings he played was top class. bar Pujara who had 2-3 50s, it was only Rohit and to some extent Saha who had played any innings of substance there.

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warmup match before the actual test will give you more idea about Rahane' date=' Rohit, Rayudu, Mandeep, etc. whoever plays. He did play one superb innings in WI, but others like Rahane, Mukund, Dhawan did not play even one innings of that kind. Those were some tough pitches to bat on and the one innings he played was top class. bar Pujara who had 2-3 50s, it was only Rohit and to some extent Saha who had played any innings of substance there.[/quote'] True, it will be tough call if selectors are pondering in dropping Raina. I would like Rohit to play two to three first class games and make a decision then. But there are so many options like Bist, Tiwary, Mandeep, Rayudu, etc, it would be unfair to reward failure if Rohit gets picked. Saha definitely deserves a call-up, but obviously that's whole different story in itself.

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True, it will be tough call if selectors are pondering in dropping Raina. I would like Rohit to play two to three first class games and make a decision then. But there are so many options like Bist, Tiwary, Mandeep, Rayudu, etc, it would be unfair to reward failure if Rohit gets picked. Saha definitely deserves a call-up, but obviously that's whole different story in itself.
I will take whoever does well in warmup against England. I will play Mukund, Rahane, Mandeep, Rohit, Bist, and Rayudu as the top 6 bats in that game.

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Kya baat kar rahe ho yaar? Do not let these pommies practice against good sides. let all our national players play the Ranji Trophy and play some weak B or C grade side vs the poms. My wishlist for the practice matches vs the poms - 1. Pitches should be the greenest ever prepared in India. Do not let them get used to the turning tracks. 2. The 11 playing vs the poms should have no one who has played int'l cricket. A colt's 11 or an u-22 squad is the best that should play vs them.

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Kya baat kar rahe ho yaar? Do not let these pommies practice against good sides. let all our national players play the Ranji Trophy and play some weak B or C grade side vs the poms. My wishlist for the practice matches vs the poms - 1. Pitches should be the greenest ever prepared in India. Do not let them get used to the turning tracks. 2. The 11 playing vs the poms should have no one who has played int'l cricket. A colt's 11 or an u-22 squad is the best that should play vs them.
Then how would we get to know who should we pick without playing them against a quality attack?

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Then how would we get to know who should we pick without playing them against a quality attack?
:giggle: Dinda for Week 1 Balaji for Week 2 Aaron for Week 3 Atul Sharma for Week 4 Shami for Week 5 New policy - rotation for juniors. All of the will be satisfied. We can also have different captains for different weeks like Buchanan suggest, NO? :woot:

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Say bye bye to viru/gambhir They were always flat track bullies.Its 2 years of pathetic form now.. We need proper openers without faulty teckniqs like viru/gautam My team would be Murli vijay rahane pujara sachin kohli rohit dhoni ashwin zaheer ojha yadav ishant bhajji sikhar dhawan uv

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Then how would we get to know who should we pick without playing them against a quality attack?
Pick the one who is in better domestic form. One warm up match vs England would not tell you anything different that is not already known about these batsmen especially on home pitches. I liked how England were given three Hyderabad B teams to play their warm ups against when they landed here 10-12 days before the ODI series last year. They promptly thrashed the Hyd side but were under prepared for the real test. Let's repeat that dose for the test tour. Also, when we went to England how many warm ups did we have vs English Lions or even against first choice 11s of the counties we played against? (different matter that we struggled even against the County B teams).

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:giggle: Dinda for Week 1 Balaji for Week 2 Aaron for Week 3 Atul Sharma for Week 4 Shami for Week 5 New policy - rotation for juniors. All of the will be satisfied. We can also have different captains for different weeks like Buchanan suggest, NO? :woot:
:confused: I was talking about batsmen. No use talking about bowlers when we do not have.

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rahane sehwag pujara kohli rohit tendulkar (captain) saha ashwin zaheer ojha yadav tendulkars batting powers are now on the decline so may as well get some other use from all his experience until he retires.

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