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Because that will encourage other bowlers to become trundlers(we have a long history of that) and end up becoming useless in test and odi matches' date='especially abroad.Admit it these slow variations will work only in t20[/quote'] Admit it that people are not so stupid to sacrifice natural pace to become a slow-medium bowler on the basis of IPL. If someone has natural speed, they have far more idols doing well at far more forms of cricket. If someone is a 125kph seamer, then it is fair enough to bowl a lot of variations to make the most of what you have. Slow variations do not only work in T20 either, they can work in 50 over cricket too towards the death. Adam Hollioake, Ian Harvey and Nathan Bracken all gained a lot of wickets by bowling a lot of cutters and slower balls. You need to be very good to pull it off, but it is a good path for a medium pacer, who does not move the ball much, to take in T20 and possibly at the death of 50 over cricket. I actually think Rajat Bhatia would be good in death overs in 50 over cricket. His record, even in the high level of the IPL is very good.

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dunno why Shami Ahmed' date='Suyal,Tyagi are not being played[/quote'] Tyagi is hardly going 2 get any chance to play this IPL too. He is in Dhoni's team and Dhoni only encourages spinners. His strategies are always around the spinners. Tyagi was loaded with the team last year as well without hardly playing any match. It is his poor luck that he is struck with Dhoni's team. So, forget it.

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Tyagi is hardly going 2 get any chance to play this IPL too. He is in Dhoni's team and Dhoni only encourages spinners. His strategies are always around the spinners. Tyagi was loaded with the team last year as well without hardly playing any match. It is his poor luck that he is struck with Dhoni's team. So, forget it.
Agree it is a curse for any fast bowler to play under Dhoni, especially if he is Indian, Tyagi wont get much chance and if he will he has to be superb, am keen to see Rahul Shukla, Suyal, Kamraan, Nechim, Tyagi. H Patel, is also another trundler along with P K, VK, Kulkarni. I hope the selectors move to Dinda, Gony, Tyagi, Suyal, VRV's, Ganguly is a good capt for fast bowlers to play under, also wanna see Z Patel, Pathan has bowled with good pace and Rhythm , bowled some good and some bad overs, he has to get his yorkers right and learn to bowl the one which goes away a bit wide of the crease with a bit bounce will be a good delivery to keep the batsmen honest.

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Admit it that people are not so stupid to sacrifice natural pace to become a slow-medium bowler on the basis of IPL. If someone has natural speed, they have far more idols doing well at far more forms of cricket. If someone is a 125kph seamer, then it is fair enough to bowl a lot of variations to make the most of what you have. Slow variations do not only work in T20 either, they can work in 50 over cricket too towards the death. Adam Hollioake, Ian Harvey and Nathan Bracken all gained a lot of wickets by bowling a lot of cutters and slower balls. You need to be very good to pull it off, but it is a good path for a medium pacer, who does not move the ball much, to take in T20 and possibly at the death of 50 over cricket. I actually think Rajat Bhatia would be good in death overs in 50 over cricket. His record, even in the high level of the IPL is very good.
By ur logic praveen,vinay and irfan should have been the world's best bowlers.Have u forgotten what happened to us in these last few months when we were getting raped by even bangladesh?Praveen has greater variations than bhatia and he is our worst bowlers Harvey,holliake etc were allrounders and were not genuine wicket takers.Bracken was good but not good enough in tests And i meant youngsters watching the game could be influenced by the success of trundlers in ipl.

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I am not arging that fast bowlers are better bowlers in T20 when compared to trundlers or Spinners as this game is a shrewd game but in One day"s and Tests- Fast ballers rule the toast - now even on asian tracks fast ballers are getting more or equal no of wickets. Jadeja did not get a fifer but batsman threw there wickets away in trying to score at rapid pace..... India has no derth of Spinners Iqbal abdulla Anket chavan Rahul sharma Kings eleven legspinner piyush Murli I wud go ahead and say that each and every state team has One good Spinner and there are many spinners who are better than west indies Naraine and many other international Spinners.... Ther are 6 spinners atleast of international class but only Umesh and Dinda are fast bowlers who can support Zak today all other medium pacers are not worth it..ishant is unfit. Kumars are trundler- irfan being an all rounder shud be a sure shot in one day teams.

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Tyagi is hardly going 2 get any chance to play this IPL too. He is in Dhoni's team and Dhoni only encourages spinners. His strategies are always around the spinners. Tyagi was loaded with the team last year as well without hardly playing any match. It is his poor luck that he is struck with Dhoni's team. So, forget it.
but now they need Jakati as Jaddu is there.I'm hopeful once Hussey comes back,Tyagi will play instead of Bollinger

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Just like Chennai is not going to give much chances to Tyagi, same can be said about MI. With Munaf Patel and RP Singh around, Nechim, Pawan Suyal or Rahul Shukla may not get many chances. Suyal and Shukla would have been better off with some of the other teams. MI, CSK and RC have been traditionally trundler supporter teams. Dinda definitely is going to get a lot of chances and so far he has bowled with good pace and control. Hope Yadav's injury is not serious. I hope Gony can recover from his awful performance and get to play a few matches. I hope at some point Shami Ahmed gets some chances for KKR.

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but now they need Jakati as Jaddu is there.I'm hopeful once Hussey comes back' date='Tyagi will play instead of Bollinger[/quote'] I dont think CSK can afford to drop Bollinger. He is a proven performer in the IPL and has got some critical breakthroughs for Chennai.

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Why is IPL fun for most people, not because of what AB or Viru can do , but the watch a Pandey, Suyal, not to watch a trundler but to find an exciting tyro, not to see a Dravid but to discover a Kohli.Teams a getting more and more players and I feel the rkkies or younger talent might be pushed aside, especially with CSK, RCB.How can a team pick up a Harmeet Singh lol over VRV , A Ahmed, P Parmeswaran lol.

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Why is IPL fun for most people' date=' not because of what AB or Viru can do , but the watch a Pandey, Suyal, not to watch a trundler but to find an exciting tyro, not to see a Dravid but to discover a Kohli.Teams a getting more and more players and I feel the rkkies or younger talent might be pushed aside, especially with CSK, RCB.How can a team pick up a Harmeet Singh lol over VRV , A Ahmed, P Parmeswaran lol.[/quote'] Sorry sir...i ahve seen more people who dont care about what you arote above but just intesrested in a good game of cricket with some entertainment and team they support... i dont think common people really wory about individual performance tahn team performance..this is just my opinion based on people talking in Buses , Hotels , Office etc...

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Sorry sir...i ahve seen more people who dont care about what you arote above but just intesrested in a good game of cricket with some entertainment and team they support... i dont think common people really wory about individual performance tahn team performance..this is just my opinion based on people talking in Buses , Hotels , Office etc...
I guess I should've wrote most people who love and understand the game and are passionate about the games .

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I guess I should've wrote most people who love and understand the game and are passionate about the games .
may be.. but in IPL i guess most people are just like me :icflove:

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I am not arging that fast bowlers are better bowlers in T20 when compared to trundlers or Spinners as this game is a shrewd game but in One day"s and Tests- Fast ballers rule the toast - now even on asian tracks fast ballers are getting more or equal no of wickets. Jadeja did not get a fifer but batsman threw there wickets away in trying to score at rapid pace..... India has no derth of Spinners Iqbal abdulla Anket chavan Rahul sharma Kings eleven legspinner piyush Murli I wud go ahead and say that each and every state team has One good Spinner and there are many spinners who are better than west indies Naraine and many other international Spinners.... Ther are 6 spinners atleast of international class but only Umesh and Dinda are fast bowlers who can support Zak today all other medium pacers are not worth it..ishant is unfit. Kumars are trundler- irfan being an all rounder shud be a sure shot in one day teams.
We also have Aaron,Shami Ahmed,Abu Nechim & Rahul Shukla who are all capable of 145+,can swing the ball & are very talented.

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but are not being given chances:wall:
they may not even match fit... Nechim got one game ..but he is just Ok in that match next match they went with Munaf who done very well for MI in last season :mi: goes with only 2 specialist pace bowlers ..so tell me why they have to pick Nechim over malinga and Munaaf just because he bowls phasssst...some reason needed..

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but are not being given chances:wall:
Aaron is still not 100% fit,Shami will play pretty soon as Wasim Akram backs him, Abu Nechim will also get 4-5 games as he has performed well in CLT20 where he was consistently 145+ & was quicker than Malinga.Rahul Shukla though may not get a game this season:((

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Aaron is still not 100% fit,Shami will play pretty soon as Wasim Akram backs him, Abu Nechim will also get 4-5 games as he has performed well in CLT20 where he was consistently 145+ & was quicker than Malinga.Rahul Shukla though may not get a game this season:((
what does that imply??

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they may not even match fit... Nechim got one game ..but he is just Ok in that match next match they went with Munaf who done very well for MI in last season :mi: goes with only 2 specialist pace bowlers ..so tell me why they have to pick Nechim over malinga and Munaaf just because he bowls phasssst...some reason needed..
one match enuf to drop Nechim?didnt he play a crucial role in MI's CLT20 win

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Again KKR went with 2 pacers in 2 matches..in first its Lee and Lange (may be SHami is better than lange i dont know) next they went with Lee and Kallis (again we can debate whether Shami should have replaced one of them)

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one match enuf to drop Nechim?didnt he play a crucial role in MI's CLT20 win
but munaf played well in Whole IPL season..doesnt that matter ? end of day however we think its not franchises job to promote Indian bowlers..they will get chance for sure but its not owner/teams job to make sure they get all the opportunities

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That implies that he's pretty quick:winky:,u have to be quick to out-pace Malinga.He deserves more chances in the MI team.
so you are telling this is speed contest.. are you also telling Nechim is better than Malinga ? just asking

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Does someone know anything abt Zafir Patel?I mean is he quick & wht's abt his height?
He is the son of former pacer Rashid Patel, left handed bowler, played in the county circuit , I believe in minor counties or 2 nd teams, supposed to have a good yorker and was picked up on promise, hasn't played Ranji

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so you are telling this is speed contest.. are you also telling Nechim is better than Malinga ? just asking
Nechim is promising enough to be in the team.Malinga is one of a kind & I'm not saying Nechim is a better bowler than Malinga.Tait is way faster than McGrath. Does that mean Tait is a better bowler.I'm just saying that Nechim has done enough to be in the team.Just one rusty performance & Munaf replaced him.He played the 1st match ahead of Munaf & RP.That meant that he was preferred at the 1st place but that preference remained for just one match.That's the issue.If u've spotted a talent then u must give him oppurtunities.Picking a player for a game & dropping him in the next game does world of bad for a young talent like Nechim.

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Nechim is promising enough to be in the team.Malinga is one of a kind & I'm not saying Nechim is a better bowler than Malinga.Tait is way faster than McGrath. Does that mean Tait is a better bowler.I'm just saying that Nechim has done enough to be in the team.Just one rusty performance & Munaf replaced him.He played the 1st match ahead of Munaf & RP.That meant that he was preferred at the 1st place but that preference remained for just one match.That's the issue.If u've spotted a talent then u must give him oppurtunities.Picking a player for a game & dropping him in the next game does world of bad for a young talent like Nechim.
who knows whyhe played ahead of Munaf in first match...Munaf played well in a whole IPL 2011 that also has to count for something... may be MI plan is like they will attak with Malinga and defned one end with Munaf. i am no xpert just guessing

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Munaf patel 55 65 21.26 7.11 17.9 Abu nechim 26 24 25.41 7.46 20.4
Abu Nechim can better this in future & there is not a huge gulf in the performance. Abu can perform well in the Indian team in the future as he's just 23 right now but Munaf has no future with the national team though I believe he is still better than any Kumars right now in the ODIs & T20.

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Abu Nechim can better this in future & there is not a huge gulf in the performance. Abu can perform well in the Indian team in the future as he's just 23 right now but Munaf has no future with the national team though I believe he is still better than any Kumars right now in the ODIs & T20.
sorry if you are talking about National cricket...all i am talking about is within IPL sorry again

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Agree it is a curse for any fast bowler to play under Dhoni, especially if he is Indian, Tyagi wont get much chance and if he will he has to be superb, am keen to see Rahul Shukla, Suyal, Kamraan, Nechim, Tyagi. H Patel, is also another trundler along with P K, VK, Kulkarni. I hope the selectors move to Dinda, Gony, Tyagi, Suyal, VRV's, Ganguly is a good capt for fast bowlers to play under, also wanna see Z Patel, Pathan has bowled with good pace and Rhythm , bowled some good and some bad overs, he has to get his yorkers right and learn to bowl the one which goes away a bit wide of the crease with a bit bounce will be a good delivery to keep the batsmen honest.
Here's the point. Ganguly was a very good captain to encourage fast bowlers. He still has that quality even after retiring so many years ago. Ganguly gave us so many fast bowlers like Zaheer, Nehra and new refreshing Javagal Srinath. It proves that captaincy plays a big part to develop fast bowlers, especially in this T20 format in Indian conditions. It is a curse for an Indian fast bowler to play under Dhoni's captaincy

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Again KKR went with 2 pacers in 2 matches..in first its Lee and Lange (may be SHami is better than lange i dont know) next they went with Lee and Kallis (again we can debate whether Shami should have replaced one of them)
Gambhir is another captain whose selection has always been weird, also in intl matches whatever he has captained. He prepares team around his bestest friend Rajat Bhatia who is 33 yr oldie, with no chance to play intl cricket. Gambhir also aupports spinners more than fast bowlers. Or rather I should say, Gambhir don't insist on developing a single fast bowler out of this IPL as he has option of developing Shami Ahmed

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Gambhir is another captain whose selection has always been weird' date=' also in intl matches whatever he has captained. He prepares team around his bestest friend Rajat Bhatia who is 33 yr oldie, with no chance to play intl cricket. Gambhir also aupports spinners more than fast bowlers.[/quote'] Bhatia has been an excellent bowler in the IPL and a handy batsman. He would get into any IPL team who thought about their selections.

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Abu Nechim is overrated by members here. He can bowl the odd spell over 140kph and he is good when he does that but he spends most of his time at 135kph which is good slogging pace. His pace is not something to write home about. Bowling occasionally 140kph in T20 is a pretty regular thing to do for bowlers outside India. He is good for Mumbai Indians, but no more than fast-medium, most of the time and I'd imagine more medium-fast in longer forms of the game.

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Gambhir is another captain whose selection has always been weird, also in intl matches whatever he has captained. He prepares team around his bestest friend Rajat Bhatia who is 33 yr oldie, with no chance to play intl cricket. Gambhir also aupports spinners more than fast bowlers. Or rather I should say, Gambhir don't insist on developing a single fast bowler out of this IPL as he has option of developing Shami Ahmed
i ahve already said its not Captains/owners/coaches job to develop cricketers for Indian team.. as for Bhatia is considered he is there for batting :giggle: and part time bowling :giggle: :giggle:

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Bhatia has been an excellent bowler in the IPL and a handy batsman. He would get into any IPL team who thought about their selections. To a captain, Shami may appear in the nets to be someone who just has a little bit of pace but other than that, is ordinary. Personally, he has performed well domestically and so I think he is worth selection but look at it from Gambhir's point of view.
Bhatia is a bits and pieces of player. I would even take Balaji in place of Bhatia as Balaji can bat a bit and can hit big shots. About, I'd buy your point about Shami Ahmed. He might not be impressed with Shami Ahmed in nets. But, IMO, IPL can be good platform to develop any upcoming player. But seems like KKR team always plays under immense pressure and are not enjoying their game

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i ahve already said its not Captains/owners/coaches job to develop cricketers for Indian team.. as for Bhatia is considered he is there for batting :giggle: and part time bowling :giggle: :giggle:
But they say that IPL is a big platform for upcoming talents and Shami Ahmed is a very good talent and has performed exceptionally well in domestic. But, as MSB said, Gambhir might not have impressed with Shami in nets, that could be 1 main reason

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But they say that IPL is a big platform for upcoming talents and Shami Ahmed is a very good talent and has performed exceptionally well in domestic. But' date=' as MSB said, Gambhir might not have impressed with Shami in nets, that could be 1 main reason[/quote'] they say...but its not their primary concern.. even if Shami impressed in netes it will be a big call to replace Lee with him as many teasm now going with 2 phassst + 2 spinners and rest part timers

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Bhatia is a bits and pieces of player. I would even take Balaji in place of Bhatia as Balaji can bat a bit and can hit big shots.
Bhatia has been one of the top performing IPL bowlers. 'Bits and pieces' doesn't mean anything. He bowls as well as any bowler. He doesn't bowl in every game, but that is a problem with captains rather than the bowler. He has batted poorly in IPL, but his bowling record is as good as any Indian. http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/7/7489/tt_Bowling_by_Team.html

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Abu Nechim is overrated by members here. He can bowl the odd spell over 140kph and he is good when he does that but he spends most of his time at 135kph which is good slogging pace. His pace is not something to write home about. Bowling occasionally 140kph in T20 is a pretty regular thing to do for bowlers outside India. He is good for Mumbai Indians, but no more than fast-medium, most of the time and I'd imagine more medium-fast in longer forms of the game.
He has the ability to bowl good outswingers at good pace,85mph+ for a long spell. That's more than good enough to be successful at the highest level.He's just 23 & can improve his pace,accuracy,variation & be a very good bowler for India in 2 years time.He's not medium-fast by any means.He's a hostile fast-medium bowler.

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Bhatia has been one of the top performing IPL bowlers. 'Bits and pieces' doesn't mean anything.]
a top performing bowler is someone like malinga or rp singh who appeared at the top of the lists for the season. where did bhatia appear in the top 5 of any of the seasons? A " bit and pieces" players does not have enough skills to influence matches often. even rubbish bowlers escape punishment sometimes under the flow of ODI's and T20.overall their value is mediocre and less than that A highly gifted player in his place may have actually won a match. garbage data do not show their value in matches.

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Bhatia has been an excellent bowler in the IPL and a handy batsman. He would get into any IPL team who thought about their selections. To a captain, Shami may appear in the nets to be someone who just has a little bit of pace but other than that, is ordinary. Personally, he has performed well domestically and so I think he is worth selection but look at it from Gambhir's point of view.
its not just little bit of pace i dont think he is even that quick but he has that deadly swing... and potential..and u can see that potential easily after ipl was supposed to develop some good players right ? anyway i dont mind him not playing.. its not like players are gonna improve here he should stick with ranji.. perform well next year.. im sure no body would keep him out then :D

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its not just little bit of pace i dont think he is even that quick but he has that deadly swing... and potential..and u can see that potential easily after ipl was supposed to develop some good players right ? anyway i dont mind him not playing.. its not like players are gonna improve here he should stick with ranji.. perform well next year.. im sure no body would keep him out then :D
Hope Dinda makes it to India's Test Bench against NZ , ENg. So that he can get enough opportunities at Bengal.

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Hope Dinda makes it to India's Test Bench against NZ ' date=' ENg. So that he can get enough opportunities at Bengal.[/quote'] i want to see dinda bowl lil more right now.. his biggest strength actually is to bowl long spells in ranji he picked so many wickets.. maybehe can amek it in tests but tbh his skills are not suited for tests he can be a very goo odi bowler tests idk..i think ipl is not the best place to judge these guys dinda did moved the ball but can he move older ball? and bowl at right channel for 6-7 overs in trot.. u cant see these things here :wall: we need 2-3 good bowlers otherwise i think now we will even lose at home :(

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I definitely think Dinda is worth a try in Test matches.
yep when u consider other bowlers.. nothing to lose i guess :two_thumbs_up: when he bowls u jsut know he will get better and better later on in spell thats his strength has been impressive in ipl so far got some movement more then that guy is confident..its unusual thing for our tundlers ;P

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Nehra is a poor man"s Zak- if I as a IPL owner can't afford to buy Zak and I need a like to like replacement but lil inferior I will buy Nehra.....so if ZAk is unfit we shud play nehra.... GAnguly is like IMRAN Khan- very motivational. The old n week Nehra was also bowling 140K + regularly. Dinda was roarinG at 140 to 144K and virtually unplayable for batsman.

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