Speed and Performance of Indian Fast bowlers in IPL

[msb1991 15]

People cannot bowl their full pace all the time. They are incapable of doing so, on certain days. A quick pitch will encourage speed but a bowler cannot bowl full pace all the time, otherwise most of them would do so, a lot more of the time. The question is, what is the point of this discussion?

[rkt.india 9,609]

what about in sa why was siddle mostly late 130s and low 140s in the aus v india series temperature was mostly in the 30s which is about the same as the temperature in the current winides v aus test

Siddle was not at his full tilt all time but he did clock 148K even in SA test series. He was the fastest bowler. He himself had admitted that he was not at his best in that series in terms of fitness and rhythm. No bowler clocks highest speeds in every series. These are their top speeds not average speed. Siddle or Yadav is not Lee or Akthar. Lee and Akhtar's top speeds were in excess of high 150s around 156-157K, but it does not mean they were clocking 157K every time in their primes. They too mostly hovered around 145K-150. Similarly Yadav and Siddle's top pace is around 152k and then they mostly hovers around 140-145K.

[rkt.india 9,609]

People cannot bowl their full pace all the time. They are incapable of doing so' date=' on certain days. A quick pitch will encourage speed but a bowler cannot bowl full pace all the time, otherwise most of them would do so, a lot more of the time. The question is, what is the point of this discussion?[/quote'] Point of discussion is Panther wants to tell that Yadav and Siddle didn't actually bowl 152, it was those speed guns who enables their increased speeds.

[panther 118]

theres no doubt that channel 9 speed guns show higher speeds than other speed guns used by other channels. example of all aussie bowlers shows this in comparison with when they go abroad as for yadav i have seen him clock 147 or 148k v west indies so im not doubting his ability to hit 150k his 154k ball in aus would prolly be around 149k on a ten sport, skysport or neo speed gun. another example is ishant sharma his speed went up 5ks in austraila in comparison with when he was in england and india

[msb1991 15]

Point of discussion is Panther wants to tell that Yadav and Siddle didn't actually bowl 152' date=' it was those speed guns who enables their increased speeds.[/quote'] But I think everyone involved is missing why this is important. 150kph is an arbitrary number based on an arbitrary speed and distance measuring system. It means nothing. It shows no comparison through generations as speed guns are relatively modern. Someone on CricketWeb raised a good point that speed guns are only useful for comparing the speed of bowlers who are playing in the same game and I wish to add to this by saying they are useful within around 5kph average speed of judging the relative speed of bowlers across games. Nit picking over top speeds of bowlers is pointless. It means nothing. The speed over a spell means something; individual deliveries do not mean anything.

[panther 118]

check the hawk eye for the india v england series ishants fastest in 1st test = 90.9 mph ishant fastest in 2nd test= 90.5 mph ishant fastest in 3rd test = 87.6 mph ishant fastest in 4th test= 87.7 mph http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/engine/series/474450.html

[panther 118]

here is a good article on speed guns http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2010/jul/07/shaun-tait-fast-shoaib

[rkt.india 9,609]

check the hawk eye for the india v england series ishants fastest in 1st test = 90.9 mph ishant fastest in 2nd test= 90.5 mph ishant fastest in 3rd test = 87.6 mph ishant fastest in 4th test= 87.7 mph http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/engine/series/474450.html

Ishant had played 7 tests in 2 months and had bowled close 300 overs. No bowler can sustain high pace in sucg a load. Regarding speed guns, they are not uniform and they show different speeds in different country. In 2010 ashes in Aus, even Finn wasnt clocking over 140.

[kidnextdoor 10]

RP Singh has gone from purple cap at one point to being an after thought..... This is why I hate the Mumbai Indians and also the reason why I think that players should get a say in where they go. ie A player should be able to refuse to be auctioned to a team in this case because of fear of getting playing time......

[panther 118]

Ishant had played 7 tests in 2 months and had bowled close 300 overs. No bowler can sustain high pace in sucg a load. Regarding speed guns' date= they are not uniform and they show different speeds in different country. In 2010 ashes in Aus, even Finn wasnt clocking over 140.

yes that was my point

[peterparker 10]

munaf's patel has finally become a spin bowler with a long rup

[Utalk 45]

Just seen some earth shattering thunderbolts from India's first choice death bowling that is Sir Vinay Koomar.

[Number 2,459]

Just seen some earth shattering thunderbolts from India's first choice death bowling that is Sir Vinay Koomar.

Our LOI expert. :hatsoff:

[Old guy 154]

Just seen some earth shattering thunderbolts from India's first choice death bowling that is Sir Vinay Koomar.

:hysterical: dont forget our allrounder in making according to rcb kohli :hysterical:

[saneindian 16]

Awana looks to be sharp. Unfortunately they didn't show the speed, but must have been in the mid to high 130s. As he plays more, he will bowl quicker, have seen him bowl 140+ spells in FC cricket.

[Old guy 154]

Awana looks to be sharp. Unfortunately they didn't show the speed' date=' but must have been in the mid to high 130s. As he plays more, he will bowl quicker, have seen him bowl 140+ spells in FC cricket.[/quote'] looked to be bowling in 128-133 to me :P

[rkt.india 9,609]

Awana looks to be sharp. Unfortunately they didn't show the speed' date=' but must have been in the mid to high 130s. As he plays more, he will bowl quicker, have seen him bowl 140+ spells in FC cricket.[/quote'] Looked decent hitting the deck hard. He needs to go to WI with A team.

[Number 2,459]

Really really hate MI for this. Nechim should have been getting games , if he was playing for Punjab. Already have Malinga , Munna, RP Swing and Mitchel Johnson. :finger:

[rkt.india 9,609]

looked to be bowling in 128-133 to me :P

Looked around 135, must be nervous too, cant go all out and spray the ball too start.

[rkt.india 9,609]

Really really hate MI for this. Nechim should have been getting games , if he was playing for Punjab. Already have Malinga , Munna, RP Swing and Mitchel Johnson. :finger:

Nechim, kulkarni, rahul shukla all three warming the benches, could easily have played for DC and PKxi.

[vvvslaxman 6,066]

close the thread .. and stop embarrassing Indian fans

[Old guy 154]

Looked around 135' date=' must be nervous too, cant go all out and spray the ball too start.[/quote'] ya i think he is bowling in lower 130's now i dont know the reason but on green track if he was bowling near 1140 he would ve gotten much more carry and pace dont forget abt the pitch he is playing on

[vishalvirsingh 1,732]

Nehra- 143.2K

[Number 2,459]

Yo-Mahesh 113.

[Ultimate_Game 3,148]

Let's face it that there are no upcoming pacers of note. We only have trundlers in the team and on the fringes

[vishalvirsingh 1,732]

Mahesh bowled 135.6 fastest bt he ws unimpressive n slow and his bowling action is not too helpful to bowl fast

[vishalvirsingh 1,732]

Yes- where is Shammi Sudeep and others why trying Nuwan and yo mahesh. Instead of Sudeep

[Ultimate_Game 3,148]

Yes- where is Shammi Sudeep and others why trying Nuwan and yo mahesh. Instead of Sudeep

I heard so many names before IPL started - Shami, Nechim, Aaron, Suyal, Awana etc. and so far the results have been under-whelming to say the least. Don't tell me the franchises are saving these gems for knockouts or latter part of the tourney. We only have 2 genuine pacers - Ishant and Umesh - but they need to learn how to be more consistent and learn to have a better control on their line & length. Other than these two there's Zak who won't be around for long and then there are retreads like Munaf, Nehra etc. There's not even a single half-decent option coming through at the moment which is a bit worrying. Forget pacers I don't even see a spinner coming through or even a mystery bowler like Mendis, or a pacer who has variety and can bowl yorkers/slower ones/slower bouncers/change ups etc. to curtail run scoring at the death. In effect we haven't unearthed a wkt taker or even a death bowler so far :((

[Dravid_TheWall 11]

Veteran Rajat Bhatia bowling some clever slower deliveries and can bat low down.

[Ultimate_Game 3,148]

Veteran Rajat Bhatia bowling some clever slower deliveries and can bat low down.

Bud Rajat Bhatia is a very very poor man's Collingwood. We are talking bowlers, not bits & pieces players who are generally found out at intl level.

[Dravid_TheWall 11]

Bud Rajat Bhatia is a very very poor man's Collingwood. We are talking bowlers' date=' not bits & pieces players who are generally found out at intl level.[/quote'] Fair enough, this is the wrong thread then. I will make one for the no7 spot.

[bangladeshifan 77]

I heard so many names before IPL started - Shami, Nechim, Aaron, Suyal, Awana etc. and so far the results have been under-whelming to say the least. Don't tell me the franchises are saving these gems for knockouts or latter part of the tourney. We only have 2 genuine pacers - Ishant and Umesh - but they need to learn how to be more consistent and learn to have a better control on their line & length. Other than these two there's Zak who won't be around for long and then there are retreads like Munaf, Nehra etc. There's not even a single half-decent option coming through at the moment which is a bit worrying. Forget pacers I don't even see a spinner coming through or even a mystery bowler like Mendis, or a pacer who has variety and can bowl yorkers/slower ones/slower bouncers/change ups etc. to curtail run scoring at the death. In effect we haven't unearthed a wkt taker or even a death bowler so far :((

:giggle::giggle:

[deathmonger 108]

I heard so many names before IPL started - Shami, Nechim, Aaron, Suyal, Awana etc. and so far the results have been under-whelming to say the least. Don't tell me the franchises are saving these gems for knockouts or latter part of the tourney. We only have 2 genuine pacers - Ishant and Umesh - but they need to learn how to be more consistent and learn to have a better control on their line & length. Other than these two there's Zak who won't be around for long and then there are retreads like Munaf, Nehra etc. There's not even a single half-decent option coming through at the moment which is a bit worrying. Forget pacers I don't even see a spinner coming through or even a mystery bowler like Mendis, or a pacer who has variety and can bowl yorkers/slower ones/slower bouncers/change ups etc. to curtail run scoring at the death. In effect we haven't unearthed a wkt taker or even a death bowler so far :((

Aaron and Shami are fast. So that's four which is four more than our gosht-eating neighbours.

[rkt.india 9,609]

And Rahul Shukla and Nechim. They both are playing in a team which is already packed with international bowlers. Regarding Sudeep Tyagi, he hasnt looked in any sort of rhythm in FC since coming back from injury and was down in pace as well.

[deathmonger 108]

And Rahul Shukla and Nechim. They both are playing in a team which is already packed with international bowlers. Regarding Sudeep Tyagi' date=' he hasnt looked in any sort of rhythm in FC since coming back from injury and was down in pace as well.[/quote'] You have vids of Shami?

[vishalvirsingh 1,732]

Is sree unfit ( bcos of dancing is it bcos he has not played even domestic for 1 year) Where is He No Kamraan No Sudeep No Shammi and Aaron Captains are also Reserved- I ws surprised pleasantly to see Dhoni backing Yo Mahesh but disappointed why he choose Nuwan..... Mahes was. A HUGE disappointment for me Munaf has turned into a Spinner n may improve as a T 20 bowler but he won't get wickets in one day and Tests with this bowling.......... I do not wish to say that Fast bowlers are best n most conservative bowlers in t20 but real genuine forms of cricket are tests and One days and let me tell u NOBODY Cares for the results of these T 20"s. I am fine if we loose T 20 international single match but we win the One day series or tests abroad so we r looking for genuine Fast bowlers

[vishalvirsingh 1,732]

Trivedi ws a 120K to 129K bowler last year now he is under 125K bowler and even harmeet ws between 120 to 133 now he is 110 to 123K With this Pace he will not get me OUT in a one day- why Laxk of. Efforts

[Number 2,459]

There should be a loan system in IPL. Abu Nechim should be getting games for DC or Punjab.

[shinchan 12]

I do not wish to say that Fast bowlers are best n most conservative bowlers in t20 but real genuine forms of cricket are tests and One days and let me tell u NOBODY Cares for the results of these T 20"s. I am fine if we loose T 20 international single match but we win the One day series or tests abroad so we r looking for genuine Fast bowlers

you are no different than indian selectors.watching IPL matches seriously to select fast bowlers for test team:hysterical:

[ShebbySB 540]

I heard so many names before IPL started - Shami, Nechim, Aaron, Suyal, Awana etc. and so far the results have been under-whelming to say the least. Don't tell me the franchises are saving these gems for knockouts or latter part of the tourney. We only have 2 genuine pacers - Ishant and Umesh - but they need to learn how to be more consistent and learn to have a better control on their line & length. Other than these two there's Zak who won't be around for long and then there are retreads like Munaf, Nehra etc. There's not even a single half-decent option coming through at the moment which is a bit worrying. Forget pacers I don't even see a spinner coming through or even a mystery bowler like Mendis, or a pacer who has variety and can bowl yorkers/slower ones/slower bouncers/change ups etc. to curtail run scoring at the death. In effect we haven't unearthed a wkt taker or even a death bowler so far :((

Aaron i not a genuine pacer according to u?:omg:

[shinchan 12]

There should be a loan system in IPL. Abu Nechim should be getting games for DC or Punjab.

yes i agree :agree: this way both the teams & players will be benefited.

[rkt.india 9,609]

You have vids of Shami?

no.

[ShebbySB 540]

Aaron and Shami are fast. So that's four which is four more than our gosht-eating neighbours.

Rahul Shukla is a genuine quick who can bowl high 140s.He is as fast or faster than Aaron.Abu Nechim is also very sharp when he's in full throttle & can bowl 145+.......So that makes it six:-Umesh,Ishant,Aaron,Shami,Rahul Shukla,Nechim. Plus don't forget about Pawan Suyal,Sudeep Tyagi,Ashok Dinda,Manpreet Gony, Parvinder Awana,Anwar Ahmed,VRV Singh,Pritam Das who all can clock over 140 & are in Fast-medium category.It's actually a good thing for these bowlers that they are not getting games in the IPL.If IPL does anything that it destroys bowlers confidence & the fixtures are so close that u bound to get injuries.We've decent amount of fast bowling talent in our country but the thing is there is not right people in the right place with good vision.That's why we see trundlers like PK,VK to play for the national team.

[ShebbySB 540]

Shami looks a very exciting prospect for tests with that natural outswing & slippery pace.

[vishalvirsingh 1,732]

Thanks shebby for making us feel positive- But how do we measure them- we not Sure of all what's said above by you is your faith or realistically its true.... Only Varun Umesh and Ishant have kinda proven their speed and ishu is unfit n is in deep off form status Varun"s back needs time..... All others we need to see as last when I saw vrv bowling he ws bowling at 127K Last year when I saw rahul bowling on Tv he bowled between 127 to 135 I don't remember if I saw Shammi nowling So. Nachim bowled all his 16 balls out of 18 under 137K - only 2 or 3 were between 137 to 140 So seems he also slowing down Pk has slowed down Vk has bowled a few balls at 137 and all others are under 133 Mithun is missing Kamran is missing Gony is mostly under 140 - faster balls touch 143 even dinda is exactly similiar but Dinda is far more accurate So if I need to be true - I feel there r jst 3 fast varun umesh and ishu Others need to PROVE

[ShebbySB 540]

Thanks shebby for making us feel positive- But how do we measure them- we not Sure of all what's said above by you is your faith or realistically its true.... Only Varun Umesh and Ishant have kinda proven their speed and ishu is unfit n is in deep off form status Varun"s back needs time..... All others we need to see as last when I saw vrv bowling he ws bowling at 127K Last year when I saw rahul bowling on Tv he bowled between 127 to 135 I don't remember if I saw Shammi nowling So. Nachim bowled all his 16 balls out of 18 under 137K - only 2 or 3 were between 137 to 140 So seems he also slowing down Pk has slowed down Vk has bowled a few balls at 137 and all others are under 133 Mithun is missing Kamran is missing Gony is mostly under 140 - faster balls touch 143 even dinda is exactly similiar but Dinda is far more accurate So if I need to be true - I feel there r jst 3 fast varun umesh and ishu Others need to PROVE

Pls don't judje them by their IPL performance.It'll be foolish.Nechim can bowl 145+ as we've seen him to do that in CLT20.Hae needs more confidence & oppurtunities.The diff is in CLT20 most of the 1st team players were injured & he was sure of a place in the XI.That's why he was confident & bowled as fast as he can.We all saw the results.Awana has bowled 140 in FC matches & picked up lots of wkts.Dinda,Gany,Shami all performed well.We've seen Gony & Dinda bowl & we'll see Shami pretty soon.As far as Rahul Shukla is concern I've seen him bowl in the Eden nets & he was a yard quicker than Aaron.Both were bowling on the same practise pitch. Tyagi is a skillful bowler with good pace & he needs more bowling to be back to his best.He was the top dog in the domestic circuit till 2010.VRV was selected in the Indian team due to his fast bowling capabilities.But then he faded away.He made his comeback this season after a long time.So he needs a bit more time too.Pritam das is a boeler friom Assam who played ICL & was spotted for bowling fast.I've not seen Suyal but heard that he was quite sharp too.Anwar Ahmed is a big tall lad who gets steep bounce at pace around 85mph.I was very impressed with Rehan Khan.He looked as quick as our fastest bowler Yadav in the video.I've not seen any update abt him. At this time we've 3 bowlers in the Fast category in the national team in Ishant,Umesh & Aaron. All of them are very young,under 25.So they are bound to get quicker & most importantly better bowlers in future.So like I said there is no lack of talent but nurturing them is the most imp thing which seem to be lacking untill now.

[Number 2,459]

Jaidev Unadkat.Hasn't improved at all. Pace has gone down as well it seems.

[deathmonger 108]

I want Shami Ahmed. Anyone got vids of his Duleep final performance?

[msb1991 15]

Unadkat was bowling a load of slower balls. He was trying everything he could not to be tonked. Not the best time to be judging his pace. I think it is fair to say he is a medium fast bowler at 125-135kph and will remain that way.

[rkt.india 9,609]

I want Shami Ahmed. Anyone got vids of his Duleep final performance?

That was awesome stuff.