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Wah' date=' author is crying that TP Babu should have gone instead of Shami.[/quote'] Based on stats, Shami is nowhere near TP, but Shami has all the ingredients to become a strike bowler in test cricket. TP lacks one of those which is enough pace. He barely crosses 130, other TP is a very good bowler at FC level.

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I dont know what problem you see with Rahul. Same was said about Kumble when he first came. With his accuracy, bounce, and little bit of turn, he can be very successful test bowler especially in India. Don't judge him with your preconceived notions and let him play, learn, and show what he can do.
Yeah and he went back to FC cricket and took 13 wickets in the Irani trophy on a flat deck. Come back when Rahul Shane Sharma (avg of 40 ****ing plus) comes up with such a performance and maybe I'll take him seriously.

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Yeah and he went back to FC cricket and took 13 wickets in the Irani trophy on a flat deck. Come back when Rahul Shane Sharma (avg of 40 ****ing plus) comes up with such a performance and maybe I'll take him seriously.
:two_thumbs_up::two_thumbs_up::two_thumbs_up::two_thumbs_up::two_thumbs_up::two_thumbs_up::two_thumbs_up::two_thumbs_up::two_thumbs_up::two_thumbs_up::two_thumbs_up: Agreed, agreed and once more, agreed!

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Yeah and he went back to FC cricket and took 13 wickets in the Irani trophy on a flat deck. Come back when Rahul Shane Sharma (avg of 40 ****ing plus) comes up with such a performance and maybe I'll take him seriously.
CT whom would you pick for the A side in pace of Rahul? We hardly have a leggie in the domestic circuit. Mishra and Chawla have played enough A cricket already, picking them would be wasting a spot. Why not try someone who has looked good in the chances he's got so far (not in the longer format though). Yes he doesn't have a great FC record, but at times picking someone on potential rather than the numbers isn't the worse decision.

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I dont think RP selection is a shocker. At least he is proven quality if fit and slim. Maybe they are trying to encourage him to slim down.
He is not fit and slim, nor is he producing quality these days. RP Singh's selection is a disgrace and surely can only be attributed towards Dhoni's favouritism towards him.

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Yeah and he went back to FC cricket and took 13 wickets in the Irani trophy on a flat deck. Come back when Rahul Shane Sharma (avg of 40 ****ing plus) comes up with such a performance and maybe I'll take him seriously.
That is rubbish. You are seriously tragic in your thinking. Do you think if kumble hadnt taken those wickets in irani trophy, he wouldnt have made it to what he became. It was his talent and persistence that made him. Those wickets brought him into the team back, but they did not ensure that he will take 600 test wickets. If wickets in domestic cricket is the only criteria then we would not havw been struggling to dund bowlers in our cricket history. It is the talent whixh matters most, exceptions are there and you are talking about a guy who has just played handful of matches due his health issues that to irregularly.

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Rahul Sharma has partial facial paralysis, he has grappled with this for last couple of years, he has been in and out of Punjab team, this guy is for me the best leg spinner we have right now, and he can make it big, we Indians are over emphasizing on stats always .

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Really? How is Darekar better Appanna and Nadeem? And how will Dhawan suddenly justify his position after havong failed in so many chances earlier? Anyway, this is a thread for Aus A team. Not even one of their selection is quota based or out of placed. They didn't choose Hughes or Khwaja because both of them are already playing in English conditions, with various counties, ie, very much in contention for Ashes! They are having a planned preparation. And I like it very much irrespective whatever the result might be next year.
Nadeem hasn't done anything of note. Dhawan will play One day matches. You dont discard players so early. He has not played many matches yet.

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Really? How is Darekar better Appanna and Nadeem? And how will Dhawan suddenly justify his position after havong failed in so many chances earlier? Anyway, this is a thread for Aus A team. Not even one of their selection is quota based or out of placed. They didn't choose Hughes or Khwaja because both of them are already playing in English conditions, with various counties, ie, very much in contention for Ashes! They are having a planned preparation. And I like it very much irrespective whatever the result might be next year.
In terms of averages (in FCs): a) Darekar - 23.63 b) Appanna - 32.65 c) Nadeem - 34.34 In this year's RANJI: a) Darekar - 32 wickets (6 matches) @ 17.43 b) Appanna - 28 wickets (8 matches) @ 29.53 c) Nadeem - 19 wickets (5 matches) @ 37.63 In this year's DULEEP Trophy: a) Darekar - 7 wickets (1 match) @ 22. 85 b) Nadeem - 7 wickets (3 matches) @ 32.00 c) Appanna - 2 wickets (1 match) @ 111.00 Frankly, Nadeem is no match for Darekar in the 4/5-day format as of now. Even in the Duleep Trophy match they're facing each other, Darekar easily outbowled Nadeem. Apanna might come close, but Darekar is easily the pick of the bowlers right now. Just because he doesn't have an IPL contract, he's unheard of and the others are stars. I don't know much about the Australian set-up, but I think the selection of the India-A team is quite good. Regarding Dhawan's selection, remember the same A-team will play ODIs and T20s as well, so Dhawan might be in the team because of his good performances in the Vijay Hazare Trophy and the IPL.

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The only real baffling selections are RP and Jalaj Saxena for me. Selection of Bhuvan can also be questioned because he is nowhere near India cap and also did not have a great FC season, still decent selection. RP is so unfit that it does not seem like he can bowl more than 3-4 overs in a spell.

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The only real baffling selections are RP and Jalaj Saxena for me. Selection of Bhuvan can also be questioned because he is nowhere near India cap and also did not have a great FC season, still decent selection. RP is so unfit that it does not seem like he can bowl more than 3-4 overs in a spell.
The only reason they may have selected Jalaj Saxena is that the ODI team may need a No.7 who can bowl some off-spin. So ...

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Curious case of Jalaj Saxena

We're back to square one, sadly, exclaimed a former national selector when I asked him about nepotism in India's selection policies. The context here, of course was set little over a week ago when India's selectors picked a side which ideally should have had cricketers on the brink of breaking into the Indian cricket team. In the past, the India A setup (or any other representational team) used to be a level before the national team, a goal in itself for cricketers who would use it as a platform to advance their ambitions. Unfortunately, these representational sides symbolise favouritism in Indian cricket, where loyalty is rewarded with undeserving berths, proximity to authority with career-changing selections. The very idea of these sides seethes in defeat. Firstly, credit where due to the selectors as far as this squad is concerned. They've picked the strongest possible batting unit with the likes of Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane and Rohit Sharma definitely competing against each other for a few transition slots as they've come to be known these days. Even Abhinav Mukund finds a place in that side, and deservedly so, given his consistently good First Class record in the last 30 months or so. Shikhar Dhawan is probably the only questionable selection in this squad, given his below par performances for Delhi this season. One felt guys like Manish Pandey deserved a go, given that his Ranji season included some really impressive knocks for Karnataka. On the other hand, the bowling unit, to put it charitably, looks terribly out of place. There is a definite absence of a focus area and unfortunately, some of the selections must raise eyebrows. Bhuvaneshwar Kumar ahead of a consistent Parwinder Awana? No way. Or even Akshay Darekar instead of say, an Iqbal Abdulla or heck, Pragyan Ojha? No. And almost lackadaisically, our selectors have shown their reluctance to look beyond RP Singh, who bowled so poorly this season for his state, he couldn't find a berth in even the Duleep Trophy team. But sadly, one of the glaring themes of this selection is the sad case of nepotism which has come in way of other, deserving individuals. Almost as a regular feature with representational teams these days, these selectors who're paid an annual salary of Rs. 25 lakh to pick the best side, irrespective of association loyalties and zonal demands, have sadly tended to deviate from their briefs and some examples here are a clear indication of how they see their position and privilege. SAXENA'S CASE Take Jalaj Saxena for example, and he stands out not because of his below average cricketing pedigree but because unfortunately and perhaps unwittingly become the poster boy of nepotism this time around. If merit were the only consideration for some of these lesser-reported and lesser-analyzed selections, then Saxena had no business making it to the India A team or even some of the representational sides he's been a part of since the Narendra Hirwani assumed charge as one of India's five national selectors. I'll put out some numbers for you, and I leave it to you to assess and thereby conclude. In the last three seasons as a first-class cricketer for Madhya Pradesh, he averages 37.00 (2009-10), 41.50 (2010-11) and 20.66 (2011-12) respectively. And this, for a guy who in the early part of his career was an opening batsman for MP and slipped lower ever since - as low as number eight. He's scored a lone 100 in this period (142 being that score) and in the 2011-12 season, his highest score was not more than 46. Let's consider his bowling numbers (since I was told by an MP insider that Saxena has become more of a bowler these days) and see how he fares - 2009-10 (4 wickets at 61.50), 2010-11 (9 wickets at 38.33) and 2011-12 (14 wickets at 45.21). If these numbers are good enough to persuade the selectors into picking him for India A, it's fair to say that Indian cricket either going through an acute talent deficit (when it probably is not) or that nepotism is irresistible, even when as a selector, your mandate is to pick nothing but the *best* representational teams. Just in case, someone comes up with a bizarre justification of Saxena's credentials as a quality limited-overs prospect, here are some numbers. In the last three seasons, in List A games played in India, Saxena's batting numbers include two fifties in 19 innings with a highest score of 79 and averages as follows. In the 2009-10 season, he scored 146 runs at 20.85, and followed it up with 126 runs at 31.50 in the next season and recently finished the 2011-12 season with 137 runs at 22.83 and a highest score of 40. As an off-spinner, this season is by far Saxena's best - 13 wickets at 19.92, considering that in the past two seasons he's picked 5 (2010-11 @ 30.40) and 4 (2009-10 @ 71.50) wickets respectively. If the logic of this selection is to be believed, Saxena is perhaps the third best off-spinner in the country with only Harbhajan Singh and Ravichandran Ashwin ahead of him. Saxena, over the years has made it to several representational sides with average, if not below average numbers. Saxena was picked first for the Rest of India squad and the Challenger Trophy squads immediately after Jagdale's elevation as Board secretary in September last year. His most recent selection to these squads coincided with the appointment of Sanjay Jagdale (a former selector from the Central Zone and not to forget Hirwani's cricketing mentor) as the BCCI secretary and by virtue of that position, the convenor of the national selection panel. The other interesting bit about Jalaj Saxena's selection is the fact that he plays for the Cricket Club of Indore, where believe it or not, Jagdale is a coach. Not just that, apart from Saxena, three other cricketers from Madhya Pradesh made the Challenger Squads. A former India cricketer (who represented MP in the Ranji Trophy) refused to comment over Saxena's selection by simply saying, you tell me, in 30-odd years many average cricketers have represented India or India A. You have to pose these questions to Kris Srikkanth and his selection committee. WHAT ABOUT DAREKAR? The second interesting pick for me is the young Maharashtra lad, Akshay Darekar, a left-arm spinner who had a really impressive season with the ball. But ahead of fringe members like Iqbal Abdullah (who, by the way was the bowler of the tournament in Australia playing for India's Emerging Players XI) and Pragyan Ojha? What about Ravindra Jadeja, who despite his obvious status as a limted-overs specialist continues to pick wickets in the Ranji Trophy? Perhaps helps to have a selector from your state association? Maybe. Darekar's claim is perhaps justified by the bucketful of wickets he's picked this season for both Maharashtra and the West Zone, 42 in all. But an India A call-up? No way. Venkatapathy Raju said, in order to play for Rest of India, I know people who have toiled for three years. And today, you don't even need to play domestic cricket to feature in the Irani Trophy. And for a guy like Darekar, and every other one-season wonder that Indian cricket has come to see these days, the key is to perform in the second year, and this time in the Elite Division (Maharashtra were promoted) where he'll be up against better batsmen, tougher wickets and tighter situations. Consider the impact on those who are genuinely on the fringes of national selection. Of course, it will let their frustrations grow and ultimately talented cricketers will give up that ambition of playing for their country. You have to keep them interested and play them in these tournaments. Otherwise they will be happy with everything the IPL offers them, Raju said. WHAT ABOUT JAYDEV? Unfortunately, Jalaj Saxena isn't the only case of nepotism in Indian selection over the years. Arjun Yadav, the son of former India off-spinner Shivlal Yadav has made it to several squads, the most recent being in 2007, where he was called up to setup for the tour of Zimbabwe and Kenya, even with Board officials saying, "it's only an India ŽÃ team". Jaydev Shah, the son of former BCCI official Niranjan Shah was picked as captain for an India A tour to Israel immediately after the first edition of the IPL and subsequently also found a place in several India ¼Ã squads, in leadership roles. And last season, Aniruddha Srikkanth, the son of Kris Srikkanth, Chairman of Selectors, made it to the Emerging Players Tournament despite mediocre numbers in the domestic season. You try and question why some of these rather audacious selections happen and the answer seems simple. Our cricketing discourse revolves around the national team and the IPL. The lack of interest within our media to cover some of these unsexy stories - Duleep Trophy selections and India ¼Ã tour selections, gives these selectors a firm sense of chutzpah to pick their own players. The fact that they can get away with these selections is something that's the media's fault too. The larger public outrage on these teams might be limited, but they're quite clear indications of the direction our cricketing establishment wants to take the game in. The mandate for the selectors is fairly clear, isn't it? Pick the best team available. Anything other than that, I mean compromises along the way, and we're definitely back to square one. http://cricket.yahoo.com/news/the-curious-case-of-jalaj-saxena-and-nepotism-in-indian-cricket.html

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I dont think Pragyan should play for an A side, him and Ashwin are senior test bowlers now. I also dont think Darekar is that bad a pick, he is supposed to be an attacking left armer. Yes ideally hed have played for a season more at least, but there are not too many other options...I dont think Iqbal has had a good Ranji season...? The other option is Apanna... RPS and Saxena are obvious glaring flaws. Good article..and good point about lack of media coverage ...I wish our A side was run like England Lions, the Lions team has been crucial for the development of so many young Eng players- it is why theyve got so much depth

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Regarding Darekar - does the article claim that Jadeja and Abdullah have better claims as a specialist bowler :giggle: Abdullah has done shyte in the Ranjis this season and bechara Jaddu has no backing :sad: :sad: so he's been sadly ignored. :giggle:

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I dont think Pragyan should play for an A side' date=' him and Ashwin are senior test bowlers now. I also dont think Darekar is that bad a pick, [b']he is supposed to be an attacking left armer. Yes ideally hed have played for a season more at least, but there are not too many other options...I dont think Iqbal has had a good Ranji season...? The other option is Apanna...
IMO, there is no such thing as an attacking left arm orthodox spinner - even the most attacking of them, Bedi, was defensive. To be a successful bowling unit one needs a leg spinner - an off spinner will do as well but the country is simply not producing any quality cricketers.

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R.P. Singh also mush have some real good godfathers...His getting picked ahead of so many bowlers who excelled in the domestic Ranji Trophy clearly indicates that. Elite : 1. T.P.Sudhindra (recent fixing fame) 40 wickets 2. Dinda -37 3 Pankaj Singh -34 4. H.V.Patel -28 5. Awana -28 R.P.Singh is way down with just 14 wickets

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R.P. Singh also mush have some real good godfathers...His getting picked ahead of so many bowlers who excelled in the domestic Ranji Trophy clearly indicates that. Elite : 1. T.P.Sudhindra (recent fixing fame) 40 wickets 2. Dinda -37 3 Pankaj Singh -34 4. H.V.Patel -28 5. Awana -28 R.P.Singh is way down with just 14 wickets
Apparently, it's his last chance or something :dontknow: Out of these 5, Dinda is already in; Awana is the only guy who could have been given a shot. I dunno about Pankaj Singh's merits though :dontknow:

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IMO' date=' there is no such thing as an attacking left arm orthodox spinner - even the most attacking of them, Bedi, was defensive. To be a successful bowling unit one needs a leg spinner - an off spinner will do as well but the country is simply not producing any quality cricketers.[/quote'] Hmm.. well attacking only in the sense that he is prepared to flight the ball and get turn.. not quick, flat bowling which is prevalent these days. That is what I read anyway.. same for TN SLA Srinivas, though he is only 18 or 19

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IMO' date= there is no such thing as an attacking left arm orthodox spinner - even the most attacking of them, Bedi, was defensive. To be a successful bowling unit one needs a leg spinner - an off spinner will do as well but the country is simply not producing any quality cricketers.
:agree: Agree about bold part. Regarding non-bold part, my view is we have always produced more average to mediocre cricketers than quality cricketers and it is for every era, not just now.

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IMO' date=' there is no such thing as an attacking left arm orthodox spinner - even the most attacking of them, Bedi, was defensive. To be a successful bowling unit one needs a leg spinner - an off spinner will do as well but the country is simply not producing any quality cricketers.[/quote'] Agree and the problem for us is that they're the type of spinners we're producing these days.

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In terms of averages (in FCs): a) Darekar - 23.63 b) Appanna - 32.65 c) Nadeem - 34.34 In this year's RANJI: a) Darekar - 32 wickets (6 matches) @ 17.43 b) Appanna - 28 wickets (8 matches) @ 29.53 c) Nadeem - 19 wickets (5 matches) @ 37.63 In this year's DULEEP Trophy: a) Darekar - 7 wickets (1 match) @ 22. 85 b) Nadeem - 7 wickets (3 matches) @ 32.00 c) Appanna - 2 wickets (1 match) @ 111.00 Frankly, Nadeem is no match for Darekar in the 4/5-day format as of now. Even in the Duleep Trophy match they're facing each other, Darekar easily outbowled Nadeem. Apanna might come close, but Darekar is easily the pick of the bowlers right now. Just because he doesn't have an IPL contract, he's unheard of and the others are stars. I don't know much about the Australian set-up, but I think the selection of the India-A team is quite good. Regarding Dhawan's selection, remember the same A-team will play ODIs and T20s as well, so Dhawan might be in the team because of his good performances in the Vijay Hazare Trophy and the IPL.
Darekar has taken all those wickets in the plate league where batsmen are certainly inferior to that of Elite league. So shouldn't the selectors have ideally waited for one more season to see if his talent is real and dependable or if he too is one season wonder?!
The only real baffling selections are RP and Jalaj Saxena for me. Selection of Bhuvan can also be questioned because he is nowhere near India cap and also did not have a great FC season, still decent selection. RP is so unfit that it does not seem like he can bowl more than 3-4 overs in a spell.
I think non selection Awana, Aaron is equally baffling!

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Darekar has taken all those wickets in the plate league where batsmen are certainly inferior to that of Elite league. So shouldn't the selectors have ideally waited for one more season to see if his talent is real and dependable or if he too is one season wonder?! I think non selection Awana, Aaron is equally baffling!
Even Aaron and Yadav play in the Plate League. So does Nadeem, who you advocated. Darekar has clearly shown his potential this year and has performed well in Duleep Trophy too. He is the leading wicket taker in the Plate League. Had their been some spinner in the Elite League performing at par with him, I would've still understood. And you want some toothless, non-performing guy to be picked over him just because they play in the Elite League? And why would Aaron be selected for an A-tour without even proving his fitness in a single 4-5 day match?

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OP proves why India is destined to languish in mediocrity at intl level. We don't deserve to be at the top on a consistent if these are the custodians of Indian cricket.
OP's point is largely overblown.

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Jalaj Saxena is a very good potential spinner, he spins the ball, has good flight and loop, also a decent bat, selectors have earmarked him because of talent/potential, nothing wrong unless it is a Mithun or someone completely useless like Unadkat , he was more of a batter bits and pieces player earlier now is a handy spinner.

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I dont know anything about Saxena' date='but the author seems to make his point based on stats.sometimes u gotta look beyond them.even Umesh was first selected wen he didnt hv stats to back him up[/quote'] Umesh had decent stats, has an average of 25 in FC and SR of 49.

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Even Aaron and Yadav play in the Plate League. So does Nadeem, who you advocated. Darekar has clearly shown his potential this year and has performed well in Duleep Trophy too. He is the leading wicket taker in the Plate League. Had their been some spinner in the Elite League performing at par with him, I would've still understood. And you want some toothless, non-performing guy to be picked over him just because they play in the Elite League? And why would Aaron be selected for an A-tour without even proving his fitness in a single 4-5 day match?
Proving his fitness? It is not the India international side my dear, it is India A. Didn't you see how Mitchell Johnson was chosen? Or Pat Cummins? Maybe, they could've make him play few club games of 2 days duration or so, like in Buchi babu. And how can you say that the highest wicket taker in spin department in Elite League of Ranjis is toothless?

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Nadeem hasn't done anything of note. Dhawan will play One day matches. You dont discard players so early. He has not played many matches yet.
On which tour will he play one day matches? Because this tour doesn't have any, I'm sorry!

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Proving his fitness? It is not the India international side my dear, it is India A. Didn't you see how Mitchell Johnson was chosen? Or Pat Cummins? Maybe, they could've make him play few club games of 2 days duration or so, like in Buchi babu. And how can you say that the highest wicket taker in spin department in Elite League of Ranjis is toothless?
Haha, just because it is India-A, anyone can jump into a side even without proving his fitness? I would even want Ranji cricketers to prove their fitness in an academy or league cricket and then join a team. I hope the Aussies have evaluated Mitchell Johnson's fitness and then taken him; and if they haven't, they've been stupid. Apanna has been toothless because of his bowling averages; 30 in Ranjis, 111 in Duleep (where he was smashed all around the park) and 56 in the Vijay Hazare Trophy (where he took 2 wickets in 3 matches and was dropped thereafter). On the other hand, Darekar took 12 wickets (in 5 matches) at an average of 19 in the Vijay Hazare Trophy as well :giggle: Remember, both Duleep and Vijay Hazare Trophy do not have the 'Plate' or 'Elite' thingie. The fact is, Appana's overall career average (in 2 seasons) is an ordinary 32+ which means he'd never had a good year. Darekar towers over him not only in Ranji stats, but also the other forms of cricket which were a level playing field this year. And going by your Plate/Elite argument, you'd probably want someone like Sudhindra to be selected ahead of Aaron just because he plays in the Elite League.

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On which tour will he play one day matches? Because this tour doesn't have any' date=' I'm sorry![/quote'] You are probably not aware of the fixtures at all. For your information: Date Activity Venue 2-5 June 4 Day Match vs West Indies 'A' Kensington Oval 9-12 June 4 Day Match vs West Indies 'A' Arnos Vale 16-19 June 4 Day Match vs West Indies 'A' Beausejour 23-June T20 Match vs West Indies "A" Queens Park Oval 24-June T20 Match vs West Indies "A" Queens Park Oval 27-June One Day Match vs West Indies "A" GNS 29-June One Day Match vs West Indies "A" GNS 1-July One Day Match vs West Indies "A" GNS

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Aaron is yet to show his mettle in tests' date=' cannot say he will be successful in tests based on T20 or ODIs until he does well.[/quote'] Bowled a couple of good spells in that single Test against WI.

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Bowled a couple of good spells in that single Test against WI.
Agree, but still a long way to go. I like the kind of length he bowls and is quite accurate which will help him whenever conditions are helpful for seamers. Dont know on what basis Dhoni and co. called him wayward in England. He has been more accurate than PK since then who bowls at 125K.

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Agree, but still a long way to go. I like the kind of length he bowls and is quite accurate which will help him whenever conditions are helpful for seamers. Dont know on what basis Dhoni and co. called him wayward in England. He has been more accurate than PK since then who bowls at 125K.
All Indian bowlers have a long way to go. Including Ishant. :giggle:

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