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Lance Armstrong doping? Ripley's believe it or not.

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This guy won 7 trophies on a trot and was to cycling world what Michael Shumachar was at one point to F1. He was tested during those 7 years as other athletes and never tested positive surely? Its to say that guy winning it year after year would have been under periodic tests and if he had tested for any stuff than, he would have been binned long back. It seems crazy that after all these years he is being accused of doping and in one move stripped of all his titles which surely looks harsh at this stage? Can anybody shed light on how this works and on what grounds has this whole thing been based? :((:omg:

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The statements are based on a disgruntled ex-mechanic holding a grudge and people caught doping 'giving a statement' in exchange for a reprieve. It is not based on medical reports at this stage so purely circumstantial. So the bottom line is if I am going down the tube and have a chance to take down my greatest rival or a teammate whose accomplishments I envy, I can just name him and be assured of a reprieve and watch the fun from outside after lighting the fire? Surely legal justice cannot be this lacking?

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Dude there are around 1 zillion witness statements from team mates and those closest to him. Corrobrartion etc Unless you are saying they are all making it up and Armstrong is only one telling the truth. The man is disgusting and a fraud. No better then Ben Johnson. All were doping at that time in tour de france. If you guys think he was the only one who wasnt and yet still kept winning you guys are delusional and probably think the earth is still flat

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No sane person or organization can apply rules retrospectively if it can tell me what you do for a living and I will change rules and F you forever by doing the same. Just sick by USADA! :headshake:

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No sane person or organization can apply rules retrospectively if it can tell me what you do for a living and I will change rules and F you forever by doing the same. Just sick by USADA! :headshake:
What nonsense. So if you murder someone and then they find out 7 years later, you should not be prosecuted. What nonsense people type. He was a cheat and broke the rules massivley back then and was a cheat back then according to the rules. The fact he never got caught means you can't apply it retrospectivley, hogwash. He was a disgusting cheat. Yes all did it back then, but just cos he was amongst many he disgustingly cheated does not mean he should not be severley punished and stripped of titles. He is a false hero. He also showed he was a sick individual by the way he bullied people in to hiding it all up, giving £100 k donation to drug authorities(basically a bribe) etc etc. Read in to it, the accounts and scale of his cheating was enormous. Even know he is disgusting denying it despite all the evidence, thats why he is not disputing the charges now as eveidence is so overwhelming. In time he will admit to it, unless he is mad.

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What nonsense. So if you murder someone and then they find out 7 years later, you should not be prosecuted. What nonsense people type. He was a cheat and broke the rules massivley back then and was a cheat back then according to the rules. The fact he never got caught means you can't apply it retrospectivley, hogwash. He was a disgusting cheat. Yes all did it back then, but just cos he was amongst many he disgustingly cheated does not mean he should not be severley punished and stripped of titles. He is a false hero. He also showed he was a sick individual by the way he bullied people in to hiding it all up, giving Ž£100 k donation to drug authorities(basically a bribe) etc etc. Read in to it, the accounts and scale of his cheating was enormous. Even know he is disgusting denying it despite all the evidence, thats why he is not disputing the charges now as eveidence is so overwhelming. In time he will admit to it, unless he is mad.
:hail: for equating murder with sports. Now, can we discuss facts? Read and enlighten us what happened else whatever you say is like Bishan Singh Bedi or Sarfaraz Nawaz blanket statements. It only remains an opinion and you 're entitled to have it. However, if you want to come out of your egg shell and make your opinion more acceptable by others please provide a timeline of what exactly happened & why didn't the USADA interfere during his entire cycling career.

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Dude you need to read up on this and get rid of thos rose tinted glasses. There is so much evidence its overwhelming. I am not making the charges bedi style, why is Mr Armstrong not fighting the charges? The witch hunt theory is rubbish, why the hell would their be a witch hunt? I can tell you why he is not contesting the charges and thats cos he is guilty as hell and evidence is overwhelming. In due course, it may take years he will come clean. But his shameless denials mean he may not.

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I think I am not wearing any rose tinted class. I am aware that PED was found in his blood but Armstrong played by the rules, took the blood tests and won the Tour de France PERIOD. Why should there be a retrospective analysis of what happened earlier? Here's an analogy to cricket if you can get it - Back in the day sixes were to be hit IF the ball clears the rope. If the ball hit the rope it would be considered a boundary. Now, the rule has changed. So should ICC go back & check who has scored what and change the results of the match? That's absurd- because there were certain rules placed back then and both teams adhered to it. Also, your theory of not contesting so guilty is pretty lame. It is easy for you to sit behind a computer screen and say that but Armstrong has other things in life including family, his foundation (which is growing pretty well) and his personal goals. Why should he waste millions of dollars on a process which is so unfair? Also, Armstrong is clearly singled out - the other cyclists are still racing. In addition, notice how the US Federal Agency did NOT pursue this case. The witch hunt can be due to many reasons foremost of which can be envy.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19903716 So its totally confirmed that he was guilty. USADA report destroys him with hundreds of pages of EVIDENCE, not allegations but EVIDENCE. Including testimony of 11 former team mates amoingst the extensive witnesses and EVIDENCE. Mods change the title to Armstong is DRUG CHEAT, CONFIRMED! Armstrong is a disgrace and put in prison imo.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19903716 So its totally confirmed that he was guilty. USADA report destroys him with hundreds of pages of EVIDENCE, not allegations but EVIDENCE. Including testimony of 11 former team mates amoingst the extensive witnesses and EVIDENCE. Mods change the title to Armstong is DRUG CHEAT, CONFIRMED! Armstrong is a disgrace and put in prison imo.
:cantstop: If previous testimonies were enough, you can conjure up someone as a drug abuse by easily paying money to everyone. Half of them are either current cyclists or caught in a doping scandal. That's USADA report and version of it - even if this were true in my books USADA should be punished big time because they allowed such a thing to happen for years. Waiting for that to happen, until then. :bye:

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Almost every tour winning cyclist dopes in one way another whether they get caught or not. So it cancels out. Armstrong was OK but he only succeed in Tour de France. A true legend would have dominated all 3 majors, his domination in France is unparalleled but he was average in the other majors and didn't win a single one. Was suited for France terrain though.

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:cantstop: If previous testimonies were enough, you can conjure up someone as a drug abuse by easily paying money to everyone. Half of them are either current cyclists or caught in a doping scandal. That's USADA report and version of it - even if this were true in my books USADA should be punished big time because they allowed such a thing to happen for years. Waiting for that to happen, until then. :bye:
So we have 26 sworn testimonies and 15 of them from riders. Yet you dont believe them and still think armstrong is innocent, evev though he himself is not contesting anf fighting the charges, very strange for this innocent man to not contest:cantstop: Apparently in your story they have all been paid and its all a massive conspiracy:hysterical: What next 9/11 was done by bush/jews. Its all a conspiracy apprently:haha:

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So we have 26 sworn testimonies and 15 of them from riders. Yet you dont believe them and still think armstrong is innocent, evev though he himself is not contesting anf fighting the charges, very strange for this innocent man to not contest:cantstop: Apparently in your story they have all been paid and its all a massive conspiracy:hysterical: What next 9/11 was done by bush/jews. Its all a conspiracy apprently:haha:
I will wait for the UCI verdict. If it accepts USADA's charges, I will believe Armstrong is a cheat if not I will kick your candy a-------ss! :finger:

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^ 14csltt.jpg :giggle:

So we have 26 sworn testimonies and 15 of them from riders. Yet you dont believe them and still think armstrong is innocent' date=' evev though he himself is not contesting anf fighting the charges, [b']very strange for this innocent man to not contest:cantstop: Apparently in your story they have all been paid and its all a massive conspiracy:hysterical: What next 9/11 was done by bush/jews. Its all a conspiracy apprently:haha:
Yeah haha, like an innocent would not contest losing 7 titles. :haha: But then most leaders dope, some get caught like Contador others dont. Like it was written in book (havent read it, but read about it) if careful its not too hard to remain undetected.

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Why should Lance Armstrong waste lawyer fees and his whole life earnings on few frivolous claims? I will wait for the UCI's verdict.
hah hah I like your spirit in defence of your hero, despite overwhelming proof to the contrary. But your claim thats its just a few frivolous claims is an exaggaration I would be proud of:giggle:

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Didn't follow cycling much ever. So don't know the exact details of the case. I think this could be similar to the case of Florence Griffith. She was also never tested positive but almost everybody,incluiding me, believes that she was heavily into drugs. She had set records in 100 and 200 sprints some 25 years ago and since then nobody even threatened her records for once. So ridiculously low times she had set.

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hah hah I like your spirit in defence of your hero' date=' despite overwhelming proof to the contrary. But your claim thats its just a few frivolous claims is an exaggaration I would be proud of:giggle:[/quote'] Lance Armstrong is not my hero :dontknow: All I said was it will be premature to comment on the status of the story by just hearing one side of the coin. If UCI backs what you say, I will agree with you. Is that so difficult to understand King "Exaggerated" Tendulkar ? :giggle:

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Cyclist banned for cycling :laugh: Anyway I still regard him as a Tour de France legend cause Im 100% certain all leading cyclists at least are doping in one way or another. It's just the way it is, and way to win. So doping advantages cancel out. I agree with what USA cycling coach said- "He's been kind of a scapegoat really. A lot of people have done it, probably everyone in his generation."

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Cyclist banned for cycling :laugh: Anyway I still regard him as a Tour de France legend cause Im 100% certain all leading cyclists at least are doping in one way or another. It's just the way it is, and way to win. So doping advantages cancel out.
Wah!! so just because everyone in the sport cheats, Armstrong's cheating should not only be accepted but also celebrated ..

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Wah!! so just because everyone in the sport cheats' date=' Armstrong's cheating should not only be accepted but also celebrated ..[/quote'] What I said is, as a cyclist he is great. Better than the others and deserved 7 time France champion. Not a legend though, couldn't win other 2 majors. Don't really give a fark about whether it should be accepted/celebrated. Just looking at it as it is. Armstrong was better than the others in France, and most of the others were doping especially the leaders. So as a cyclist that makes him better than the others. Only a few get caught, Armstrong, Contadour had alot of pressure as multiple time champions. But its easy to get away for others. Not hard to avoid testing positive if you know what your doing. Armstrong was the Messi of cycling, ahead of the others. However since cycling had a doping culture you had to dope to win. So the advantages probably cancelled out or close enough to it.

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What I said is' date='[b'] as a cyclist he is great. Better than the others and deserved 7 time France champion. Not a legend though, couldn't win other 2 majors.
how the hell can you say that when it has been proved that he cheated throughout his career.

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Full report from USADA http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/ReasonedDecision.pdf Key point on page 86:

Finally, as more fully discussed in Section V.A., below, an expert examination of Armstrong’s blood parameters establish that the likelihood of Armstrong’s blood values form the 2009 and 2010 Tours de France occurring naturally is less than one in a million, and build a compelling argument consistent with blood doping.

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Still I would say, he is just a scapegoat - it would have not been possible w/o lot of people joining hands towards common goal (US Postal team)...also people say that even UCI was part of it ( keeping things undercover even when they might have got hint or something) Besides, doping is not magic pill, one still has to work extremely hard..esp in a sport like cycling, and it is kind of 'common' knowledge that most of the top cyclists of that era were doing some or other form of performance enhancement 'formula'.. Also, at the end its really a tough call by USADA...it has been about one of their own (USA's) most celebrated hero, all over the world.... ............or perhaps its a conspiracy so that now people 'might' start having blind faith in USADA, and they can do some high-tech doping, and win more olympic medals ( China threat ;) )..

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This from another article, "Tour de France director Christian Prudhomme said earlier the Tour will have no official winners for the seven races Armstrong won if he is stripped of his victories by the UCI. USADA has said the Tour titles should not be given to other riders who finished on the podium. The agency said 20 of the 21 riders on the podium in the Tour from 1999 through 2005 have been "directly tied to likely doping through admissions, sanctions, public investigations" or other means. It added that of the 45 riders on the podium between 1996 and 2010, 36 were by cyclists "similarly tainted by doping."

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how the hell can you say that when it has been proved that he cheated throughout his career.
This is what is wrong with the society and this is why politicians and business leaders and sportsmen lie and cheat to win a any cost. Because if they win, not only they get money, they also get lot of blind followers. The guy cheated to win some championship and there are people ready to forgive him because he won the championship. Hilarious!

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