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Lance Armstrong doping? Ripley's believe it or not.

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Now that it is established (almost certainly?) that Lance had doped through his trophies. I was searching for the importance of this retrospective investigation....here is the strongest case,, why some graves must be dug open. (hoping that its not another bunch riding on the ruins of Lance's castle.. :).. )... http://fraudbytes.blogspot.com/2012/10/my-heroes-in-lance-armstrong.html So, that is why, he must be made to pay the price ( the least is stripping of the titles), because quite a few whistle blowers/truth-seekers perished at his hands, or so it seems. And, assuming this is the 'final truth', you can't imagine the agony they must have gone through, when they tried to stand by the right values. So, even though I was undecided on this investigation.. now I am inclining towards - this is the right thing to do....taking nothing away from whatever Lance achieved (struggled cancer and stuff) in his days.

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This is what is wrong with the society and this is why politicians and business leaders and sportsmen lie and cheat to win a any cost. Because if they win, not only they get money, they also get lot of blind followers. The guy cheated to win some championship and there are people ready to forgive him because he won the championship. Hilarious!
lol, there's no need to be upset. Don't reply so emotionally, most leading cyclists are doping, it's easy to get away if you know what your doing. Only a small window you can get caught and there are various ways to get around it. Since most are doping (especially leaders) advantages cancel out. So as a cyclist Armstrong>others in France. Someone has to be the best, in France it was Armstrong. Rest I don't really care about (he was cheating, what example it sets) just looking at his performance as a cyclist on a level playing field (all leaders were doping Im sure). Armstrong is not the greatest cyclist for me. Many say he is but being realistic he only did well in France. He never won the Giro d Italia and Spain tour. Bernard Hinault is the greatest. Multiple wins in all 3 tours. 12 in total. :hatsoff: I don't support doping, but being realistic it was a level playing field since at least the leading cyclists who had potential to win were doping.

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This from another article, "Tour de France director Christian Prudhomme said earlier the Tour will have no official winners for the seven races Armstrong won if he is stripped of his victories by the UCI. USADA has said the Tour titles should not be given to other riders who finished on the podium. The agency said 20 of the 21 riders on the podium in the Tour from 1999 through 2005 have been "directly tied to likely doping through admissions, sanctions, public investigations" or other means. ^@ Akshay post The WADA needs to come up with a way to deal with this. Too easy to get away. Cycling becoming f ed up. Random testers should always have a cyclists location of hotel on GPS, should barge in if they pretend to not be at their hotel, not opening door (like Armstrong did sometimes). Should never inform cyclist they are coming beforehand like some do cause it would be rude. Only a few hours where a cyclist can be caught. Penalties should be very harsh. That's one way to reduce doping. But they need better ways.

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When is that comulsive liar going to own up. The prat is still maintaing his innocence. The bully boy needs to own up. I think in a few years he will admit guilt and try and rehabilaite his public profile with admission and attempt to gain sympathy in PR move. He is losing loads of money now. Sponsors pulling out, asked for return of prize monies. Sponsors wanting bonuses back. Good the a hole has made a fortune through his cheating, its pay back now.

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If what you all have been saying is true and most of the cyclists do take drugs then WTF have agencies like WADA and USADA been doing for so many years - are they totally incompetent or they're also in some way involved in all this?? BTW, I might despise Armstrong for doping his way to 7 titles but there one thing for which I still respect him - he raised millions and millions for Cancer patients :hatsoff:

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The harder they fall The International Cycling Union (UCI) has endorsed the decision of the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) to ban Lance Armstrong for life and strip him of his seven Tour de France titles on doping charges. Confronted with a mountain of damning evidence, painstakingly compiled by USADA, the UCI perforce had little option but to put its stamp of approval on the ban. “Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling,” said UCI president Pat McQuaid, a stand that should clinch the argument over an iconic cyclist whose possible flirtations with doping had long been debated by his peers and the media though he had never tested positive. The evidence placed in the public domain by USADA — including emails and testimonies of 11 of his colleagues on the US Postal Service pro cycling team, all of them part of the ‘conspiracy’ — is staggering. The Ben Johnson doping scandal of 1988 and the ‘Festina affair’ of 1998 that brought to the fore large-scale doping practices in the Tour de France, pale in comparison. It probably matches the 2002 BALCO affair that exposed some of the top athletes of that era, including sprinter Marion Jones. The sport of cycling has long been high on dope and low on credibility. Of the 45 podium finishes in the Tour de France during the period between 1996 and 2010, 36 were by riders who were either caught out or who are now being branded as “dope-tainted”. As questions are being raised over the UCI’s acceptance of $1,25,000 from Armstrong as donations in the past, doubts are also being expressed over the efficacy of dope-testing in sports as a whole and the implied collusion of testers and others that might have emboldened the ‘dope doctors’ in the USPS team to cut corners. Armstrong, who beat cancer to conquer the Alps, is estimated to have amassed $125 million from the sport. He now stands to lose more than that amount in endorsements and motivational talks in his post-retirement phase. Major sponsors have deserted him; others are cutting their ties with the sport. A window for an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport may still be open for the American but many doubt whether he would exercise that option having refused to go through a hearing process at home. The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), which has supported the USADA action and is critical of the UCI, cannot be expected to bail him out, no matter that the eight-year ‘statute of limitations’ in the WADA Code was breached in taking away five of his Tour titles, from 1999 to 2003. As USADA has noted, the code of silence might have been broken, but there are miles to go before the war against doping can be won. The Hindu 36 out of 45 podium finishers tainted :ohmy:

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Here's the issue I have - if Armstrong was allowed to get away shouldn't the USADA and UCI be also held responsible and be banned/penalized? What does this show about USADA/UCI?
Not just Armstrong, 36 out of the 45 podium finishers in Tour de France in the last 15 years have been tainted - and I don't think severe action has been taken against a lot of them. These anti doping agencies should all be penalized very heavily because they have failed to stop the rapid proliferation of drugs in sports.

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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/cycling/story/2012/10/26/sp-uci-usada-cycling-tour-de-france-lance-armstrong-christian-prudhomme.html What are your comments after reading this article? How do you penalize the anti-doping agencies or even the apex cycling bodies? This is like saying penalize ICC for not being effective in dealing with match/spot fixing in cricket. Or saying penalize BCCI for having IPL controversies. The only way to do it is to have an independent anti-corruption sports authority which can take such organizations to task. I don't know if such a system exists and if it even makes any sense, considering sportsmen themselves are keeping quiet.

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> How do you penalize the anti-doping agencies or even the apex cycling bodies? Here's what happened - UCI held drug tests and were unable to detect Lance Armstrong and his colleagues (36 out of 45 as pointed out by many others) where doping. Your responsibility (in this case the people conducting the dope tests) is to get hold of the culprits. Now, the culprits could have got away due to variety of reasons including lack of technology, lack of planning etc. One needs to ascertain if it was due to lackadaisical attitude by the officials OR something else. If the officials did everything else in their hand to eliminate such a possibility then fine; if not - make an example. The real questions in this case are - - Are there investigations launched on the way the drug tests were conducted? - If yes, did we observe any irregularities - If not, how did Armstrong and colleagues get away with them? > This is like saying penalize ICC for not being effective in dealing with match/spot fixing in cricket. Or saying penalize BCCI for having IPL controversies. Such comparisons never show the true picture. The comparisons could be made either at an abstract level but not at a meta-level. For any comparisons to be made at the meta-level, the properties of both issues under discussions should match [0]. I'm not sure if it is in this case. [0] http://indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=287335

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^ When I posed the question "how do you penalize an apex body" , I meant that which higher authority is responsible to take them to task? My analogy for ICC was to the effect that if the highest body in a respective sport itself is corrupt, then how do you penalize it? Fallacy does not apply, because my post was misunderstood. :D

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^ When I posed the question "how do you penalize an apex body" ' date=' [b']I meant that which higher authority is responsible to take them to task? My analogy for ICC was to the effect that if the highest body in a respective sport itself is corrupt, then how do you penalize it? Fallacy does not apply, because my post was misunderstood. :D
:whack: The people who were responsible for overseeing drug tests.

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When is that comulsive liar going to own up. The prat is still maintaing his innocence. The bully boy needs to own up. I think in a few years he will admit guilt and try and rehabilaite his public profile with admission and attempt to gain sympathy in PR move. He is losing loads of money now. Sponsors pulling out, asked for return of prize monies. Sponsors wanting bonuses back. Good the a hole has made a fortune through his cheating, its pay back now.
Reports he may soon go public and admit guilt. A hole!!

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Armstrong admits he doped on Oprah http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/21065539

Oprah Winfrey: Did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance? Lance Armstrong: "Yes." Was one of those banned substances EPO? "Yes." Did you ever blood dope or use blood transfusions to enhance your cycling performance? "Yes." Did you ever use any other banned substances such as testosterone, cortisone or Human Growth Hormone? "Yes." In all seven of your Tour de France victories, did you ever take banned substances or blood dope? "Yes." Was it humanly possible to win the Tour de France without doping, seven times? "Not in my opinion. that generation. I didn't invent the culture, but I didn't try to stop the culture." For 13 years you didn't just deny it, you brazenly and defiantly denied everything you just admitted just now. So why now admit it? "That is the best question. It's the most logical question. I don't know that I have a great answer. I will start my answer by saying that this is too late. It's too late for probably most people, and that's my fault. I viewed this situation as one big lie that I repeated a lot of times, and as you said, it wasn't as if I just said no and I moved off it. You were defiant, you called other people liars. "I understand that. And while I lived through this process, especially the last two years, one year, six months, two, three months, I know the truth. The truth isn't what was out there. The truth isn't what I said, and now it's gone - this story was so perfect for so long. And I mean that, as I try to take myself out of the situation and I look at it. You overcome the disease, you win the Tour de France seven times. You have a happy marriage, you have children. I mean, it's just this mythic perfect story, and it wasn't true. Was it hard to live up to that picture that was created? "Impossible. Certainly I'm a flawed character, as I well know, and I couldn't do that. But what we see now and what's out there now. But didn't you help paint that picture? "Of course, I did. And a lot of people did. All the fault and all the blame here falls on me. But behind that picture and behind that story is momentum. Whether it's fans or whether it's the media, it just gets going. And I lost myself in all of that. I'm sure there would be other people that couldn't handle it, but I certainly couldn't handle it, and I was used to controlling everything in my life. I controlled every outcome in my life. You said to me earlier you don't think it was possible to win without doping? "Not in that generation, and I'm not here to talk about others in that generation. It's been well-documented. I didn't invent the culture, but I didn't try to stop the culture, and that's my mistake, and that's what I have to be sorry for, and that's what something and the sport is now paying the price because of that. So I am sorry for that. I didn't have access to anything else that nobody else did."

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This guy won 7 trophies on a trot and was to cycling world what Michael Shumachar was at one point to F1. He was tested during those 7 years as other athletes and never tested positive surely? Its to say that guy winning it year after year would have been under periodic tests and if he had tested for any stuff than, he would have been binned long back. It seems crazy that after all these years he is being accused of doping and in one move stripped of all his titles which surely looks harsh at this stage? Can anybody shed light on how this works and on what grounds has this whole thing been based? :((:omg:
Its really sad as he is being banned only on the peoples talks who had seen them doping not on the failure of doping test as he had passed all the doping test ...

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