Sachin=GOD Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 What I said is' date='[b'] as a cyclist he is great. Better than the others and deserved 7 time France champion. Not a legend though, couldn't win other 2 majors. how the hell can you say that when it has been proved that he cheated throughout his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 ^ dexter got pawned :hysterical: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akshayxyz Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Full report from USADA http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/ReasonedDecision.pdf Key point on page 86: Finally, as more fully discussed in Section V.A., below, an expert examination of Armstrong’s blood parameters establish that the likelihood of Armstrong’s blood values form the 2009 and 2010 Tours de France occurring naturally is less than one in a million, and build a compelling argument consistent with blood doping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akshayxyz Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Still I would say, he is just a scapegoat - it would have not been possible w/o lot of people joining hands towards common goal (US Postal team)...also people say that even UCI was part of it ( keeping things undercover even when they might have got hint or something) Besides, doping is not magic pill, one still has to work extremely hard..esp in a sport like cycling, and it is kind of 'common' knowledge that most of the top cyclists of that era were doing some or other form of performance enhancement 'formula'.. Also, at the end its really a tough call by USADA...it has been about one of their own (USA's) most celebrated hero, all over the world.... ............or perhaps its a conspiracy so that now people 'might' start having blind faith in USADA, and they can do some high-tech doping, and win more olympic medals ( China threat ;) ).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akshayxyz Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 ironically, Armstrong is one of the key reasons behind increase, in popularity of cycling. (by whatever margins in last 10-15 years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akshayxyz Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 This from another article, "Tour de France director Christian Prudhomme said earlier the Tour will have no official winners for the seven races Armstrong won if he is stripped of his victories by the UCI. USADA has said the Tour titles should not be given to other riders who finished on the podium. The agency said 20 of the 21 riders on the podium in the Tour from 1999 through 2005 have been "directly tied to likely doping through admissions, sanctions, public investigations" or other means. It added that of the 45 riders on the podium between 1996 and 2010, 36 were by cyclists "similarly tainted by doping." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterTheVoid Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Meh, he still beat cancer. Thats all that counts in my book. Most of the professional athletes are doped up to the eyeballs anyway - Marion Jones, Ben Johnson and Carl Lewis to name a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherhawkeye Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 how the hell can you say that when it has been proved that he cheated throughout his career. This is what is wrong with the society and this is why politicians and business leaders and sportsmen lie and cheat to win a any cost. Because if they win, not only they get money, they also get lot of blind followers. The guy cheated to win some championship and there are people ready to forgive him because he won the championship. Hilarious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akshayxyz Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Pretty good writeup on why it matters to dig the graves after these many years. http://fraudbytes.blogspot.com/2012/08/its-only-lying-about-drugs-guest-post.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akshayxyz Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I think best way around this is - have two leagues... a dope-all-you-can league, and an honest-athlete league ( can never happen 100%). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akshayxyz Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Another good read. http://www.bicycling.com/garmin-insider/featured-stories/exclusive-interview-vaughters-reveals-more-about-his-doping-and-new-?page=0,0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akshayxyz Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Now that it is established (almost certainly?) that Lance had doped through his trophies. I was searching for the importance of this retrospective investigation....here is the strongest case,, why some graves must be dug open. (hoping that its not another bunch riding on the ruins of Lance's castle.. :).. )... http://fraudbytes.blogspot.com/2012/10/my-heroes-in-lance-armstrong.html So, that is why, he must be made to pay the price ( the least is stripping of the titles), because quite a few whistle blowers/truth-seekers perished at his hands, or so it seems. And, assuming this is the 'final truth', you can't imagine the agony they must have gone through, when they tried to stand by the right values. So, even though I was undecided on this investigation.. now I am inclining towards - this is the right thing to do....taking nothing away from whatever Lance achieved (struggled cancer and stuff) in his days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
India-KXIP fan Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 This is what is wrong with the society and this is why politicians and business leaders and sportsmen lie and cheat to win a any cost. Because if they win, not only they get money, they also get lot of blind followers. The guy cheated to win some championship and there are people ready to forgive him because he won the championship. Hilarious! lol, there's no need to be upset. Don't reply so emotionally, most leading cyclists are doping, it's easy to get away if you know what your doing. Only a small window you can get caught and there are various ways to get around it. Since most are doping (especially leaders) advantages cancel out. So as a cyclist Armstrong>others in France. Someone has to be the best, in France it was Armstrong. Rest I don't really care about (he was cheating, what example it sets) just looking at his performance as a cyclist on a level playing field (all leaders were doping Im sure). Armstrong is not the greatest cyclist for me. Many say he is but being realistic he only did well in France. He never won the Giro d Italia and Spain tour. Bernard Hinault is the greatest. Multiple wins in all 3 tours. 12 in total. :hatsoff: I don't support doping, but being realistic it was a level playing field since at least the leading cyclists who had potential to win were doping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
India-KXIP fan Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 This from another article, "Tour de France director Christian Prudhomme said earlier the Tour will have no official winners for the seven races Armstrong won if he is stripped of his victories by the UCI. USADA has said the Tour titles should not be given to other riders who finished on the podium. The agency said 20 of the 21 riders on the podium in the Tour from 1999 through 2005 have been "directly tied to likely doping through admissions, sanctions, public investigations" or other means. ^@ Akshay post The WADA needs to come up with a way to deal with this. Too easy to get away. Cycling becoming f ed up. Random testers should always have a cyclists location of hotel on GPS, should barge in if they pretend to not be at their hotel, not opening door (like Armstrong did sometimes). Should never inform cyclist they are coming beforehand like some do cause it would be rude. Only a few hours where a cyclist can be caught. Penalties should be very harsh. That's one way to reduce doping. But they need better ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 When is that comulsive liar going to own up. The prat is still maintaing his innocence. The bully boy needs to own up. I think in a few years he will admit guilt and try and rehabilaite his public profile with admission and attempt to gain sympathy in PR move. He is losing loads of money now. Sponsors pulling out, asked for return of prize monies. Sponsors wanting bonuses back. Good the a hole has made a fortune through his cheating, its pay back now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjabi_khota Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 He can write a tell-all book and become even richer. :rock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 He can write a tell-all book and become even richer. :rock: that will defo happen some time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 :hysterical::hysterical: For the uninitiated ones.. http://mckaylaisnotimpressed.tumblr.com/ Didn't have intention of diverting this thread though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 If what you all have been saying is true and most of the cyclists do take drugs then WTF have agencies like WADA and USADA been doing for so many years - are they totally incompetent or they're also in some way involved in all this?? BTW, I might despise Armstrong for doping his way to 7 titles but there one thing for which I still respect him - he raised millions and millions for Cancer patients :hatsoff: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 The harder they fall The International Cycling Union (UCI) has endorsed the decision of the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) to ban Lance Armstrong for life and strip him of his seven Tour de France titles on doping charges. Confronted with a mountain of damning evidence, painstakingly compiled by USADA, the UCI perforce had little option but to put its stamp of approval on the ban. “Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling,” said UCI president Pat McQuaid, a stand that should clinch the argument over an iconic cyclist whose possible flirtations with doping had long been debated by his peers and the media though he had never tested positive. The evidence placed in the public domain by USADA — including emails and testimonies of 11 of his colleagues on the US Postal Service pro cycling team, all of them part of the ‘conspiracy’ — is staggering. The Ben Johnson doping scandal of 1988 and the ‘Festina affair’ of 1998 that brought to the fore large-scale doping practices in the Tour de France, pale in comparison. It probably matches the 2002 BALCO affair that exposed some of the top athletes of that era, including sprinter Marion Jones. The sport of cycling has long been high on dope and low on credibility. Of the 45 podium finishes in the Tour de France during the period between 1996 and 2010, 36 were by riders who were either caught out or who are now being branded as “dope-tainted”. As questions are being raised over the UCI’s acceptance of $1,25,000 from Armstrong as donations in the past, doubts are also being expressed over the efficacy of dope-testing in sports as a whole and the implied collusion of testers and others that might have emboldened the ‘dope doctors’ in the USPS team to cut corners. Armstrong, who beat cancer to conquer the Alps, is estimated to have amassed $125 million from the sport. He now stands to lose more than that amount in endorsements and motivational talks in his post-retirement phase. Major sponsors have deserted him; others are cutting their ties with the sport. A window for an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport may still be open for the American but many doubt whether he would exercise that option having refused to go through a hearing process at home. The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), which has supported the USADA action and is critical of the UCI, cannot be expected to bail him out, no matter that the eight-year ‘statute of limitations’ in the WADA Code was breached in taking away five of his Tour titles, from 1999 to 2003. As USADA has noted, the code of silence might have been broken, but there are miles to go before the war against doping can be won. The Hindu 36 out of 45 podium finishers tainted :ohmy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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