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Dhoni should be sacked as captain in all 3 formats!

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what worse can be with the results we achieved since WC 2011
You do realize that our recent cup performance was near perfect. Like it or not.... 4 good wins out of 5. And yet people are complaining on winning matches..

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You do realize that our recent cup performance was near perfect. Like it or not.... 4 good wins out of 5. And yet people are complaining on winning matches..
Yes. We just had one terrible day against Aus but apart from that, we were fantastic, beating England, Pakistan and South Africa.

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You do realize that our recent cup performance was near perfect. Like it or not.... 4 good wins out of 5. And yet people are complaining on winning matches..
We got kicked out in the 2nd round for the 3rd consecutive WT20 - that is the bottom line. This is just the icing on the cake which was 0-8 in tests last year.:yay:

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Just for the sake of trying, you want Dhoni to be removed! :cantstop: Alternative?(Please do not say Kohli, we cant put too much pressure on him right now)
no I want Dhoni(and Fletcher) to be removed for pathetic results they gave since WC 2011.also our previous T20 WC 2009,2010. alternatives r not great but can be tried.like Sehwag or Zaheer,atleast thier place in XI is secure.try them until Kohli is big enough to take responsibilty.just like we did with Kumble before Dhoni. it'd be good for Dhoni too. look,I dont hate him or anything,he got us the WC n no.1 rankings,n I'll always hail him for that,but that doesnt mean he can go on & on.everyone has a shelf life.post 2011 WC,Dhoni seems mentally fatigued n going thru the motions,I dont think he is enjoying the responsibilty but hanging on due to pressure from Srini n advertisers maybe.

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no I want Dhoni(and Fletcher) to be removed for pathetic results they gave since WC 2011.also our previous T20 WC 2009,2010. alternatives r not great but can be tried.like Sehwag or Zaheer,atleast thier place in XI is secure.try them until Kohli is big enough to take responsibilty.just like we did with Kumble before Dhoni. it'd be good for Dhoni too. look,I dont hate him or anything,he got us the WC n no.1 rankings,n I'll always hail him for that,but that doesnt mean he can go on & on.everyone has a shelf life.post 2011 WC,Dhoni seems mentally fatigued n going thru the motions,I dont think he is enjoying the responsibilty but hanging on due to pressure from Srini n advertisers maybe.
:WTF: Sehwag's place is secure in the XI? Wow! Go and check out his records in the same period you mentioned - post WC 2011

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Yes. We just had one terrible day against Aus but apart from that' date=' we were fantastic, beating England, Pakistan and South Africa.[/quote'] Lol at beating South Africa. South Africa could have easily won that game. They were never interested in winning the match. Remember their faces when they won crossed the mark to knock India out, they were dull. Stop making excuses for everything. Dhoni has brainfarts after brainfarts. holds Ashwin's bowling off till late and even then removes him after one over. The idiot starts being proactive and setting field placements when the match is truly over. And congrats for beating a *****y pak team who dropped catches, buffet bowling, ajmal didn't come onto bowl till the match was out of hand, defensive field placements and pathetic batting. Our fielding has been good throughout the tourney. You saw the way pakis got out that day? Full tosses and short hit me balls. Watson would have made a 100 if he was playing for pakis that day.

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:WTF: Sehwag's place is secure in the XI? Wow! Go and check out his records in the same period you mentioned - post WC 2011
hes done enough b4 that to be secure.atleast on Indian pitches for the time being.the most we can think of is moving him down the order.its Gambhir whos vulnerable. for T20s,Raina or Kohli can be captain about advertisers,I meant there maybe a clause or something thats stopping him for resigning.dunno I'm just speculating

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wasnt good enough' date='thats what matters.[/quote'] Nothing is gonna be good enough if you expect success all the time. The fact is that we overacheived in tournament and perhaps performed better than expectations. That has to be congratulated rather than have more questions. But hey, it's democracy. People are gonna complain in any situations, circumstances. It's gonna be hard to debate with you if you just want to argue for the sake of it only.

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Lol at beating South Africa. South Africa could have easily won that game. They were never interested in winning the match. Remember their faces when they won crossed the mark to knock India out' date=' they were dull. Stop making excuses for everything. Dhoni has brainfarts after brainfarts. holds Ashwin's bowling off till late and even then removes him after one over. The idiot starts being proactive and setting field placements when the match is truly over. And congrats for beating a *****y pak team who dropped catches, buffet bowling, ajmal didn't come onto bowl till the match was out of hand, defensive field placements and pathetic batting. Our fielding has been good throughout the tourney. You saw the way pakis got out that day? Full tosses and short hit me balls. Watson would have made a 100 if he was playing for pakis that day.[/quote'] See, you will be getting the negatives out of every match, but that does not mean that even the victories in such BIG pressure games are just treated as if a win over a minnow. It takes balls to go out there and handle the pressure and win against Pakistan. Whatever might be the consequences, we still won 4 out of 5 matches. You are demeaning that fact as if you are a Paki.

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Nothing is gonna be good enough if you expect success all the time.
Expecting the team to reach the knock outs of WT20 at least once out of three attempts or something better than whitewashes when we tour abroad is expecting "success all the time"? Dhoni fanboys have lost all touch with reality! :hysterical:

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Lol at beating South Africa. South Africa could have easily won that game. They were never interested in winning the match. Remember their faces when they won crossed the mark to knock India out' date= they were dull. Stop making excuses for everything. Dhoni has brainfarts after brainfarts. holds Ashwin's bowling off till late and even then removes him after one over. The idiot starts being proactive and setting field placements when the match is truly over. And congrats for beating a *****y pak team who dropped catches, buffet bowling, ajmal didn't come onto bowl till the match was out of hand, defensive field placements and pathetic batting. Our fielding has been good throughout the tourney. You saw the way pakis got out that day? Full tosses and short hit me balls. Watson would have made a 100 if he was playing for pakis that day.
And we could have easily won against Australia had it not rained - it's fun discussing things which didn't happen, NO? :winky:

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Nothing is gonna be good enough if you expect success all the time. The fact is that we overacheived in tournament and perhaps performed better than expectations. That has to be congratulated rather than have more questions. But hey, it's democracy. People are gonna complain in any situations, circumstances. It's gonna be hard to debate with you if you just want to argue for the sake of it only.
I dont expect success,I expect full effort for that success,leaving no stone unturned.that wasnt here. we over achieved coz we won 1 super 8 game against Pakis?I wouldnt count the SA game because just a win isnt wat we were looking for

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Whatever might be the consequences, we still won 4 out of 5 matches. You are demeaning that fact as if you are a Paki.
Whatever might be the number of matches won, the fact is that the team has come back home without reaching the knockouts for the third time in succession. You are glorifying meaningless wins as if you are a Paki.

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I dont expect success,I expect full effort for that success,leaving no stone unturned.that wasnt here. we over achieved coz we won 1 super 8 game against Pakis?I wouldnt count the SA game because just a win isnt wat we were looking for
Yes, we tried as good as we could. Hard to blame any single person. Our limitations were well-known. If you insist on blaming Dhoni still, perhaps politics is the right area for you where you could enjoy the blame game and get respect/$$$$ at the same time

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Expecting the team to reach the knock outs of WT20 at least once out of three attempts or something better than whitewashes when we tour abroad is expecting "success all the time"? Dhoni fanboys have lost all touch with reality! :hysterical:
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Whatever might be the number of matches won' date=' the fact is that the team has come back home without reaching the knockouts for the third time in succession. You are glorifying meaningless wins as if you are a Paki.[/quote'] Super 8 stage is just as good as a knockout, the format of this tournament is such. And for once, it was a technicality which saw us out. It isn't that the other sides are much or even marginally better. Windies have won 1 game in the stipulated overs and are in the semis. PS: this is not a defence of Dhoni. It's just that some of you are painting a very bleak portrait. Our performance may not be Rembrant's Euphoria, but it certainly isn't Picasso's Scream.

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Yes' date=' we tried as good as we could. Hard to blame any single person. Our limitations were well-known. If you insist on blaming Dhoni still, perhaps politics is the right area for you where you could enjoy the blame game and get respect/$$$$ at the same time[/quote'] tried as good as we could?there r multiple points there for that,but wat most bugs me most,how complacent they were in respect of NRR in both Pak n Aus games.in Aus game,just went through the motions once Watson started hitting,didnt try to delay the loss,nor we try to chase down 128 quickly enough. also I'm not blaming Dhoni ALONE,the whole team management,followed by players.Dhoni is captain,he gotta take the brickbats with the bouquets,if he got praise for winning WC 2011,surely he shouldnt be immune to criticism if we lose

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Fact is there no good captain like ever in indain team he won world cup twice in his captaincy captain like dhoni comes only once in life like our imran khan come enough said

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Whatever might be the number of matches won' date=' the fact is that the team has come back home without reaching the knockouts for the third time in succession. You are glorifying meaningless wins as if you are a Paki.[/quote'] This is what i could have expected from you. Beating around the bush and coming up with a self-proclaimed "sarcastic" reply rather than debating properly. Pretty much explains why BB used to hate you.

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Super 8 stage is just as good as a knockout, the format of this tournament is such. And for once, it was a technicality which saw us out. It isn't that the other sides are much or even marginally better. Windies have won 1 game in the stipulated overs and are in the semis. PS: this is not a defence of Dhoni. It's just that some of you are painting a very bleak portrait. Our performance may not be Rembrant's Euphoria, but it certainly isn't Picasso's Scream.
In the overall scheme of things it is a bleak portrait as it just adds to the string of failures over the past year and a half and for a longer time in T20: 1. No other major team has been knocked out of three consecutive WT20s before the semis. 2. Whitewashed in England in both tests and ODIs - failed to win a single match in the entire tour. 3. Whitewashed in Australia in tests. 4. Failed to make finals of CB series. 5. Failed to make finals of Asia Cup. What has been our success in the meanwhile: 1. Test wins at home against NZ and WI. 2. A couple of bilateral ODI series wins. It's not difficult to see that the picture is indeed bleak across all formats of the game.

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In the overall scheme of things it is a bleak portrait as it just adds to the string of failures over the past year and a half and for a longer time in T20: 1. No other major team has been knocked out of three consecutive WT20s before the semis. 2. Whitewashed in England in both tests and ODIs - failed to win a single match in the entire tour. 3. Whitewashed in Australia in tests. 4. Failed to make finals of CB series. 5. Failed to make finals of Asia Cup. What has been our success in the meanwhile: 1. Test wins at home against NZ and WI. 2. A couple of bilateral ODI series wins. It's not difficult to see that the picture is indeed bleak across all formats of the game.
There is only one year bad and u forget all dhoni and ur team achieve lol this rubbish u should back ur team under dhoni u won 2 world cups that very big for any one u forget that

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See, you will be getting the negatives out of every match, but that does not mean that even the victories in such BIG pressure games are just treated as if a win over a minnow. It takes balls to go out there and handle the pressure and win against Pakistan. Whatever might be the consequences, we still won 4 out of 5 matches. You are demeaning that fact as if you are a Paki.
Exactly what I had predicted. Dhoni lobby will say we still won the match which is what Dhoni set out to achieve after we ended with just 151.

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And we could have easily won against Australia had it not rained - it's fun discussing things which didn't happen' date=' NO? :winky:[/quote'] Easily won against Australia? Our bowling was **** regardless. They still would have beaten us handsomely. And regarding your second point, I could care less. The fact of the matter is Dhoni failed as a captain and should be held responsible for it. Dhoni is not a proactive captain anymore. He is reactive and that too always reacts when the game is out of hand. Look at how much time he took to change the field placement AFTER we were knocked out. The only thing that is still keeping him in the team is that he's a captain and a piss poor one at that. The guy should be nowhere near the T20 team ( along with at least half others who should also be kicked out). The guy keeps giving the same lame excuses after every loss. We were this many runs short, etc , etc. I don't know about you, but that is getting tiresome. The whole T20 team needs a overhaul and you start from the kaptaan cool himself.

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Easily won against Australia? Our bowling was **** regardless. They still would have beaten us handsomely. And regarding your second point' date= I could care less. The fact of the matter is Dhoni failed as a captain and should be held responsible for it. Dhoni is not a proactive captain anymore. He is reactive and that too always reacts when the game is out of hand. Look at how much time he took to change the field placement AFTER we were knocked out. The only thing that is still keeping him in the team is that he's a captain and a piss poor one at that. The guy should be nowhere near the T20 team ( along with at least half others who should also be kicked out). The guy keeps giving the same lame excuses after every loss. We were this many runs short, etc , etc. I don't know about you, but that is getting tiresome. The whole T20 team needs a overhaul and you start from the kaptaan cool himself.
You still keep on talking about things that did not happen - the rest is fine. Just avoid mentioning things which are based on hypothetical scenarios and you should be good. :good:

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Exactly what I had predicted. Dhoni lobby will say we still won the match which is what Dhoni set out to achieve after we ended with just 151.
:haha: Probably, ICF'ers are getting as predictable as Dhoni's captaincy. :dontknow:

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even if you are a supporter of Dhoni, like me, it is undeniable that the work load is just way too much as of now. He needs to be removed from captaincy from atleast one of the formats if not two. Should still remain captain in ODIs but for T20s atleast, he has to go. time to give Yuvi the captaincy for T20s?

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This guy got as lucky as they got as a captain, except one day (third day) against fourth test in nagpur 2008 where he stifled Aussies.I have not seen him do anything as a captain to suggest that he thinks something out of box or has a great tactical acumen. Yesterday was mind boggling captaincy which has no defense how in world he can bring his strike bowler in ninth over defending 121, if Ashwin is not his strike bowler why is he in team then. As captain who lacks tactical skill you should be good judge of talent and have guts to back them, this guy had everything going for him in last four years with no one to question his selections.All his team selections are horrible even in world cup last year which he won was due to him being lucky than good which he himself admitted. Second as captain he should lead by example with performance on field which Dhoni has never done except in odis, his performances have been horrible in T-20 and in test matches it is always gone missing when team needeed him.He always promotes himself when team is going good and when it is struggling he quietly moves behind . He has never given confidence to his match winners, berated them publicly and always backed wrong horses.He lacks that courage which captain needs to fight against tough times both on and off the field. Last but not least he never takes responsibility and always blames something or someone for his short comings.But this is not just him but it goes with entire team with very few exceptions. I thought he still was best bet for Indian cricket till yesterday but it was very clear from his stupidity that he needs to go ASAP.Before the next series we need to have a new captain and not this moron.

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This guy got as lucky as they got as a captain, except one day (third day) against fourth test in nagpur 2008 where he stifled Aussies.I have not seen him do anything as a captain to suggest that he thinks something out of box or has a great tactical acumen. Yesterday was mind boggling captaincy which has no defense how in world he can bring his strike bowler in ninth over defending 121, if Ashwin is not his strike bowler why is he in team then. As captain who lacks tactical skill you should be good judge of talent and have guts to back them, this guy had everything going for him in last four years with no one to question his selections.All his team selections are horrible even in world cup last year which he won was due to him being lucky than good which he himself admitted. Second as captain he should lead by example with performance on field which Dhoni has never done except in odis, his performances have been horrible in T-20 and in test matches it is always gone missing when team needeed him.He always promotes himself when team is going good and when it is struggling he quietly moves behind . He has never given confidence to his match winners, berated them publicly and always backed wrong horses.He lacks that courage which captain needs to fight against tough times both on and off the field. Last but not least he never takes responsibility and always blames something or someone for his short comings.But this is not just him but it goes with entire team with very few exceptions. I thought he still was best bet for Indian cricket till yesterday but it was very clear from his stupidity that he needs to go ASAP.Before the next series we need to have a new captain and not this moron.
so I'm definitely not overdoing it:haha:

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Yesterday was mind boggling captaincy which has no defense how in world he can bring his strike bowler in ninth over defending 121, if Ashwin is not his strike bowler why is he in team then
. Faf used to play Ashiwn in nets for CSK. Hence no point in bowling him when Faf was batting

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Dhoni is like Sylverster Stallone in Rocky 3 movie. He has got so much in such a short period of time. He is not ready to fight hard and scared of losing.
Bodes well for India as I'm waiting for ending of Rocky III and Rocky IV and V. By the way Rockey IV was my favorite and if Dhoni can replicate the same in 2015 WC, it would be one hell of a tourney for Indian fans :--D

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Dhoni should leave India T20 captaincy to Kohli and CSK captaincy to Raina. Pick and chose ODIs at home. That will relieve him from much of workload. In Tests we'll need him for at least 2 years, as I don't see anyone who can replace him apart from Gambhir who will be dropped sooner or later at least in Tests. Dhoni doesn't have much Cricket left in him from the looks of it, so he better try to prolong his career.

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Dhoni should leave India T20 captaincy to Kohli and CSK captaincy to Raina. Pick and chose ODIs at home. That will relieve him from much of workload. In Tests we'll need him for at least 2 years, as I don't see anyone who can replace him apart from Gambhir who will be dropped sooner or later at least in Tests. Dhoni doesn't have much Cricket left in him from the looks of it, so he better try to prolong his career.
It's unfortunate Gambhir is out of form at the wrong time. He would have made a good captain. He is aggressive and backs his bowlers and it's just too bad his spot in the team is not guaranteed at the moment given his shoddy form.

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Exactly what I had predicted. Dhoni lobby will say we still won the match which is what Dhoni set out to achieve after we ended with just 151.
This isn't only about Dhoni. Why are you guys so obsessed with him. The team as a WHOLE performed really well to win 4 out of 5 matches but we as fans just cant appreciate that.

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It's unfortunate Gambhir is out of form at the wrong time. He would have made a good captain. He is aggressive and backs his bowlers and it's just too bad his spot in the team is not guaranteed at the moment given his shoddy form.
There are some players who start performing better when they lead the side. When NZ toured India back in 2010/11 for the ODI series and we whitewashed them in the ODI series and Gauti lead us and was the man of the series. He scored 329 of 296 balls in the series. He was the prize wicket against KKR aswell. Also, this article during the NZ series. http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-new-zealand-2010/content/story/490447.html He is a concerned and a hard working guy. I would raise both my hands if the selectors drop him because am pretty he would be back with tons of runs in all formats just as he did in his comeback.

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Make Kohli kaptaan now,need to see the team with fresh ideas and approach now.Make Rahane and Pujara permanant in both tests as well odi squads.

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This is what i could have expected from you. Beating around the bush and coming up with a self-proclaimed "sarcastic" reply rather than debating properly. Pretty much explains why BB used to hate you.
Beating around the bush? Rather you are chest beating about 4 out of 5 wins. Didn't Australia also win 4 out of 5? Didn't Pakistan also win 4 out of 5? There are only 2 spots and the worst team out of the three had to go out, which was India. Problem understanding this simple logic or you think I am being sarcastic?

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This isn't only about Dhoni. Why are you guys so obsessed with him. The team as a WHOLE performed really well to win 4 out of 5 matches but we as fans just cant appreciate that.
Because this thread is about Dhoni. There are similar threads about pretty much every other player. And yes also because he is the captain to lead the team out of the 3rd straight early exit and is a non performer with the bat in T20 with his pathetic strike rate of 110.

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He is a concerned and a hard working guy. I would raise both my hands if the selectors drop him because am pretty he would be back with tons of runs in all formats just as he did in his comeback.
He has shown no signs of improvement and in the last few months has gone even worse. Not performing in Australia and England can be excused but he failed to score even against Kiwis at home. If his team was not there in this CL T20 he would have played some games in Ranji and worked on the poke habit which can't be worked out in nets ..but alas. I don't see a good England series for him if he is picked. He does have an image of a hard working guy, but just the image doesn't inspire much confidence when he has shown no concern, although I am his fan.

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He has shown no signs of improvement and in the last few months has gone even worse. Not performing in Australia and England can be excused but he failed to score even against Kiwis at home. If his team was not there in this CL T20 he would have played some games in Ranji and worked on the poke habit which can't be worked out in nets ..but alas. I don't see a good England series for him if he is picked. He does have an image of a hard working guy, but just the image doesn't inspire much confidence when he has shown no concern, although I am his fan.
Agreed. And as a fan myself, I would want him dropped from the side for his own good.

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Because this thread is about Dhoni. There are similar threads about pretty much every other player. And yes also because he is the captain to lead the team out of the 3rd straight early exit and is a non performer with the bat in T20 with his pathetic strike rate of 110.
If not for his batting yesterday, we might not have reached even 140.

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