Bumper Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 You guys are stating the obvious. Yeah, a 7 ft, 300 lb hulk who can bawl phaast at 95 mph is great. Even better would be one that is fit enough to last for 10 years. But the reality is that we dont have such phaast bawlers. Even the ones we unearth will last for 2 years and after an injury, eventually settle for 125 kph so they can preserve their body for the IPL. Given the poverty of Indian cricket, I'd take any medium pacer who can buy a wicket. That includes PK, BK & the likes who are potent with the new ball for 15-20 overs. Look at how the recent tests panned out and add 2 quick wickets every 80 overs from your medium pacers, you'd take that gladly. What if the pitch is flat and there is no movement in the air or off the pitch ? Well in that case, given our history, we are screwed anyways. BK or PK have nothing to do with it. Link to comment
JaFanatic Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 You guys are stating the obvious. Yeah' date='[b'] a 7 ft, 300 lb hulk who can bawl phaast at 95 mph is great. Even better would be one that is fit enough to last for 10 years. But the reality is that we dont have such phaast bawlers. Even the ones we unearth will last for 2 years and after an injury, eventually settle for 125 kph so they can preserve their body for the IPL. Given the poverty of Indian cricket, I'd take any medium pacer who can buy a wicket. That includes PK, BK & the likes who are potent with the new ball for 15-20 overs. Look at how the recent tests panned out and add 2 quick wickets every 80 overs from your medium pacers, you'd take that gladly. What if the pitch is flat and there is no movement in the air or off the pitch ? Well in that case, given our history, we are screwed anyways. BK or PK have nothing to do with it. nor does others:hehe: Link to comment
Dumbbells Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I am surprised by the lack of speed. In IPL matches the speed guns were showing 135+ for BK but now its showing just 125-130. Something wrong. Link to comment
Old guy Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I am surprised by the lack of speed. In IPL matches the speed guns were showing 135+ for BK but now its showing just 125-130. Something wrong. i think he can bowl quicker then that ball swinging so much maybe he reduced the pace also it was his debut... Link to comment
maniac Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 The best part about BK is that in the short stint he has diplayed some brains which gives me the confidence that he will alter his length and try to be more economical when the ball in unfavorable conditions. Tundler doesn't necessarily mean someone who bowls below 140 but someone who has no brains and is too one dimensional hopefully Bhuvan is not one of them Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Bhuvneshwar offers plenty of promise It was a delight to watch Bhuvneshwar Kumar operating against Pakistan in the first T20 at Bangalore, beating batsmen for swing at not so inconsiderable pace. Seldom has a youngster impressed on debut like Bhuvneshwar, and his three-wicket haul had talent and potential written all over it, not to mention the fine temperament he showed in a high-voltage clash against Pakistan. His performance may have also come at the right at time when India are looking for successors for Zaheer Khan. ItÃÔ not that IndiaÃÔ fast bowling cupboard is totally empty, but promising pacers like Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron have been side-lined with injuries, while Ishant Sharma is yet to show signs of his readiness to be the pace spearhead. In that context, India need to wrap bowlers like Bhuvneshwar, Parvinder Awana and Ashok Dinda in cotton, and use them judiciously. India can follow AustraliaÃÔ method here. No other country has been brimming with as much pace bowling talent as the Aussies. They have Peter Siddle, Mitchell Johnson, James Pattinson, Ben Hilfenhaus, Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazelwood, Pat Cummins and Johnson Bird in their ranks, and the way they rotate the workload between them is quite outstanding. For example, Starc had set up an Australian win at Hobart against Sri Lanka, and he was rested for the on-going Test at Melborune. There was no injury scare, but Aussie authorities firmly believe that he should be allowed sufficient rest in view of the upcoming Test series against India and England, and Bird, who had a good domestic season for Tasmania should be given a chance. The same approach can be adopted by India as well, considering the high-profile series on their way. Indian skipper Dhoni agreed. Ÿe still have some way to go before saying that whether we have a good support line of pace bowlers because after all Awana, Dinda and Bhuvneshwar havenÃÕ played that many matches. But yes, the potential is there, and we need to encourage them, and handle them well in the coming days, said Dhoni. Bhuvneshwar had showed us that he has skill and, more importantly, temperament and a ticking brain. The way he foxed Umar Akmal was simply superb. The Uttar Pradesh lad troubled the younger Akmal with two outgoing deliveries, and then brought one back to castle the Pakistani batsman. It was the oldest two-card trick of pace bowling executed in fine fashion. Å°bviously, he (Dhoni) must have thought that I am not a surprise package and would have expected me to perform well, said Bhuvneshwar on Thursday about his debut. So, the youngster has made a good beginning, and now itÃÔ our turn to preserve him and transform him to a long-term commodity. http://www.deccanherald.com/content/301352/bhuvneshwar-offers-plenty-promise.html Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Indian cricket's need to find a happy medium Many of those that watched Bhuvneshwar Kumar's stunning Twenty20 debut on Christmas evening in Bangalore were transported back more than two decades, to a disappointing tour of Australia that saw India overwhelmed 4-0 in a five-Test series. Related Kapil Dev would go on to play two more seasons, but that series, in which he took 25 wickets, was to be the last time India fans would see him at his best as a swing bowler. The delivery that Bhuvneshwar bowled to dismiss Nasir Jamshed was vintage Kapil, the inswinger to the left-hander that ruthlessly exploited hesitant footwork. Kapil used it to get both Mark Taylor and Allan Border during that Australia series, and there were echoes of his dismissal of Qasim Umar in the World Championship of Cricket final (1985) in the way Bhuvneshwar flummoxed Umar Akmal with dramatic movement into the batsman. Bhuvneshwar is just 22 and has built up a solid domestic record over five seasons with Uttar Pradesh. Until the Pakistan game, his primary claim to fame was dismissing Sachin Tendulkar for nought. But with 149 first-class wickets, including 27 from six games this season, it was obvious that there was more to him than one career highlight. There has been a reluctance to pick men such as Bhuvneshwar and Pankaj Singh, bowling talisman of the Rajasthan team that won back-to-back Ranji Trophy titles, because they don't exactly push the speedometer to the limit. Both are medium-pace bowlers who can swing the ball and get it to cut off the pitch. What they lack in pace, they make up for with accuracy and the ability to bowl lots of overs. India lacked a genuine pace option for so long after Javagal Srinath's retirement in 2002 that the focus since has invariably been on those that could hurl the red cherry at maximum velocity. VRV Singh played when Greg Chappell was coach, but for every delivery that disconcerted the batsmen, there would be half a dozen others that upset his captain more. Munaf Patel seemed like the real deal when he took seven for 97 on debut against England in Mohali, bowling India to victory with a superb spell of reverse swing. But the boy from Ikhar in interior Gujarat seemed ill at ease in the world of professional sport, and earned a public rebuke after the South Africa tour of 2006-07 for allegedly hiding an injury. He has seldom been the same since, and the highlights have been as sporadic as his appearances. Varun Aaron, who bowled at 150 kph in his debut Test in Mumbai last year, broke down almost immediately and has not been seen since the last Indian Premier League, while Umesh Yadav, consistently quick and hostile, went on to the injury list after playing a telling role in India's win over England in Ahmedabad. The others to impress this season are all medium-pacers. Sandeep Sharma was an integral part of India's Under 19 World Cup win earlier in the year, and he has continued his progress with some strong displays for Punjab. Aside from his accuracy, his ability to bowl yorkers in crunch situations marks him out as someone special. Ishwar Pandey, of Madhya Pradesh, is another who bowls medium pace, and the only one ahead of Sharma in the Ranji Trophy wicket-taking charts. Bengal's Shami Ahmed has already been picked for the ODI games against Pakistan, and there have been encouraging performances from Orissa's Basant Mohanty and Kerala's Sandeep Warrier. No matter which country you are playing in, swing - both with new ball and old - troubles the best batsmen. With the search for a pace ace not having thrown up too many likely suspects, perhaps it is best if India look for someone who can do what Kapil did with such distinction for more than a decade. Read more: http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/sport-comment/indian-crickets-need-to-find-a-happy-medium#ixzz2GJwYJMdo Follow us: @TheNationalUAE on Twitter | thenational.ae on Facebook Link to comment
gaurav92 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 But the problem is we don't have enough bowlers in the pool to rotate, all we have is garbage which we will be recycling :cantstop: Link to comment
diga Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 B.Kumar's action somewhat resembles Dhawal Kulkarni who had a bit more pace... What happened Dhawal? Link to comment
ToughCookie Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Is not the first bowler who has offered plenty of promise initially..I was more worried to know that Venkatesh Prasad is the coach of UP from where B Kumar is from..don't want him to make a career off the slow off cutter like his coach. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 B.Kumar's action somewhat resembles Dhawal Kulkarni who had a bit more pace... What happened Dhawal? playing ranji trophy for Mumbai on Mumbai pattas. Link to comment
diga Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Is not the first bowler who has offered plenty of promise initially..I was more worried to know that Venkatesh Prasad is the coach of UP from where B Kumar is from..don't want him to make a career off the slow off cutter like his coach. I feel Venky is underrated...He may not be the best coach or the fastest bowler in his playing days..But the results speak for themselves. UP is top of the table in Ranji with him as the coach & was U-19 world cup coach too when we finished runners up. The Indian bowlers did better during his term than now.. Link to comment
Lord Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I feel Venky is underrated...He may not be the best coach or the fastest bowler in his playing days..But the results speak for themselves. UP is top of the table in Ranji with him as the coach & was U-19 world cup coach too when we finished runners up. The Indian bowlers did better during his term than now.. ++ this 'he was a trundler so he will force others to cut dowm pace' is rubbish.RP Singh,Ishant bowled 140+ during his time.n they were good n lucky Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 ++ this 'he was a trundler so he will force others to cut dowm pace' is rubbish.RP Singh,Ishant bowled 140+ during his time.n they were good n lucky But he would have played Srinath Aravind ahead of Yadav.:giggle: Link to comment
Lord Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 But he would have played Srinath Aravind ahead of Yadav.:giggle: no he wouldnt.thats the captain's decision:beee: Link to comment
Magneto Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 This is what Indian pacers are very good at - offering promise and later fizzling out. Agarkar, Pathan, Ishant etc. Link to comment
bharat297 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 The only problem with our medium pacers is that there is absolutely zero margin for error at a pace of 130km/h. If B.Kumar can be consistent in his line and length, in combination with controlled late swing then he can still be a threat in Test cricket but it's just alot harder and rarer at that pace. I liked what Wasim Akram said once about Irfan Pathan. He said that at his pace he needs to be prepared for batsmen advancing down the wicket to negate the swing so he needs to develop a counter for that, such as a swinging bouncer. Link to comment
Sidhoni Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Can someone please edit the thread title? Link to comment
Magneto Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 BK's other strength is that he can be very accurate when the ball is not swinging (as witnessed at IPL). That will be good enough for LOI matches. Link to comment
BERGKAMP Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 he will be coming onto my avatar soon, don't worry. Link to comment
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