Imran Khan "Explains" why Pakistan produces fast bowlers

[bharat297]

^^Not important. We need bowlers who can bowl 140 and get swing like Bhuvaneswar. Ability to swing and having control and bowling 135 is enough to trouble the batsmen provided there is some help for bowlers which is usually the case in Aus, Eng, SA. Bowlers like Ishant who bowl 140+ and cant get movement will find it much harder to pick wickets.

Sure! Agree with that. Control and movement are much more important than sheer pace. But sheer pace can also be handy when bowling in a team. I think a lot of fans make the mistake of looking at our bowlers in isolation. As a pack, its always good to have one out and out express quick in the team.

[CG]

:hysterical::hysterical: Kya Logic Hai.

[bharat297]

No role models. We are yet to produce a pacer who has 100+ wickets at a sub 25 average! Maybe if Kapil paaji had burst onto the scene before Sunny Gavaskar did' date=' we may have seen a bowling culture develop in our cricket, alas not to be.[/quote'] +1 Thats the simple reason imo. We don't have a bowling culture. I don't buy the vegetarian / non-vegetarian excuse ... So many Indians are non-veg.

[Chandan]

I think we need bowlers who can take wickets and stay fit. These kind of talks only have confused Ishant and he has forgotten the art of striking which is so tragic. Give me that strike bowler Ishant anyday, even if you take back his speed by 5kmph.

[CG]

I think we need bowlers who can take wickets and stay fit. These kind of talks only have confused Ishant and he has forgotten the art of striking which is so tragic. Give me that strike bowler Ishant anyday' date=' even if you take back his speed by 5kmph.[/quote'] He has lost his swing and pace.

[Chandan]

He has lost his swing and pace.

Don't think pace is lost. I still noticed few deliveries of 144 which are by no means slow. Swing, yes, brain yes, thinking power yes, fitness yes.... all that is lost. Just because concentrating on pace.

[game_changerr]

usual case of pakistan's ex cricketers opening their big mouth after their victory

[CG]

Don't think pace is lost. I still noticed few deliveries of 144 which are by no means slow. Swing' date=' yes, brain yes, thinking power yes, fitness yes.... all that is lost. Just because concentrating on pace.[/quote'] What 144km/h.He hardly touched 140km/h .he was slower than bhuvneshwar.It might be cricinfo error. His problem is he was an inswing bowler with a inswinger better than anybody in world cricket in 2008.The ball swung and then cut in.He tried to get a outswinger and lost his wrist and pace.He worked to get his pace back and got it.But the swing never came now he is trying to improve his seam position and looking to seam it which he is not good at.

[India-KXIP fan]

Some of its fine, hill people seems like broscience though.

No role models. We are yet to produce a pacer who has 100+ wickets at a sub 25 average! Maybe if Kapil paaji had burst onto the scene before Sunny Gavaskar did' date=' we may have seen a bowling culture develop in our cricket, alas not to be.[/quote'] Mind=Blown. Never thought of that. Praveen Kumar is on course. His average might increase from 25 though. :nice: Even Kumble averaged 29, no wonder why we never dominate. :mad: India is the only big country to have such chit bowlers. Even Lankans produced Murali. Any other team with Sehwag, Dravid, SRT, Laxman and Ganguly in the batting would have been very dominant.

[the don]

LOL , why are people talking about ishanth , he has bowled much slower than all three of the pakistani pacers all series ( with riaz and anwar still warming the bench ), and shoaib wasnt the only quick one from pkistan , there was a guy called waqar younis , who alec stewart beleives was the quickest bowler he has plyed ( quicker than donald ) , while zahid was also in the express pace category .

[JourneyMan]

Indians simply don't train to be express bowlers, and you can't blame them with the kind of pitches they play on. If you absolutely wanted a speedster, you would take a quick bowler and train them (gym, technique etc..).

[Clarke]

No role models. We are yet to produce a pacer who has 100+ wickets at a sub 25 average! Maybe if Kapil paaji had burst onto the scene before Sunny Gavaskar did' date=' we may have seen a bowling culture develop in our cricket, alas not to be.[/quote'] Legend has it that he wanted demanded additional food during training and when he was questioned why, his desire to become a fast bowler was ridiculed by his coach. This was not because the coach doubted Kapil Dev's potential, it was about the genuine lack of importance given to fast bowlers in India. Though we haven't had anyone comparable since he retired, things do look slightly better in comparison.

[R.D forever]

Two reasons why i think pakistan has better fast bowlers 1) small country , easy to spot raw talents in domestic circuit and trials. 2) Pakistan inserts bowlers with raw pace and talent straight into the national side. We on the other hand want our u-19 and developing fast bowlers to "prove" 2-3 seasons in domestic circuits where they get tired being whacked in flat pitches and cut down pace to develop variations.

[JourneyMan]

2) Pakistan inserts bowlers with raw pace and talent straight into the national side. We on the other hand want our u-19 and developing fast bowlers to "prove" 2-3 seasons in domestic circuits where they get tired being whacked in flat pitches and cut down pace to develop variations.

It's true that this is a general problem with India. There is such a great fear of losing that we'd rather stick with out-of-form seniors than give some experience to the young blood. The Aussies and Pakistan have both been excellent when it comes to giving their young talent top level experience.

[express bowling]

LOL ' date=' why are people talking about ishanth , he has bowled much slower than all three of the pakistani pacers all series ( with riaz and anwar still warming the bench ), and shoaib wasnt the only quick one from pkistan , there was a guy called waqar younis , who alec stewart beleives was the quickest bowler he has plyed ( quicker than donald ) , while zahid was also in the express pace category .[/quote'] Ishant is coming back from a foot operation and is bowling way slower than normal. Last season he was bowling 140 k to 152 k. Umesh and Aaron are also bowling 140 k to 152 k. I liked Md. Irfan but he had already reduced his pace to 133 k to 144 k from the consistent 140s in his first match. Umar Gul has slowed down a lot and Junaid is also just fast-medium.

[dangerman1985]

They've produced one more than us ... And that one happened to be the fastest in history.

not sure about that

[NareshK]

It's true that this is a general problem with India. There is such a great fear of losing that we'd rather stick with out-of-form seniors than give some experience to the young blood. The Aussies and Pakistan have both been excellent when it comes to giving their young talent top level experience.

But there is always a lot of pressure on Indian team in the sense that viewers and media expect India to win every game and if they dont, they get criticized heavily and they demand players and captain to be dropped. So selectors play it safe and go with experienced out of form seniors rather than rookies who may fail because of pressure.

[R.D forever]

It's true that this is a general problem with India. There is such a great fear of losing that we'd rather stick with out-of-form seniors than give some experience to the young blood. The Aussies and Pakistan have both been excellent when it comes to giving their young talent top level experience.

Not only the selectors , even many here in ICF want "tested" players and want U-19 players to play 2-3 seasons. This may be good for batsman like chand , but if u see a fast bowler with good pace picking wickets it is better to put him in the team ASAP rather than waiting to see his performance for 2-3 season

[panther]

Imran is right sami, zahid, waqar, akhtar were all express

[Forever Indian]

Why this obsession for pace? Remember guys, one of the greatest pacers of our time has been McGrath and Akram who were just Line and Length bowlers with swing. They were not express pace, but had just enough. It is very difficult to maintain your fitness if you are 150+, and Lee, Shane Bond, Tait and Akthar had a very injury prone career. Infact Shane Bond was one gem of a bowler who could swing it big with his speed, but again his speed killed his body. So if we are to look for a long term solution for our bowling woes, we require consistent line and length bowlers who can swing the ball with enough pace (135 to 145K).