Why does India not have great fast bowlers? - My Take

[Jersey #10]

Ranji trophy kills bowlers. These matches last for ages while most (90%) of them result in a draw. Winning is a habbit, but ranji cricketers will never know about "winning". Also, since you can advance without winning the match, teams bat for days without any urgency. Which fast bowler would continuously keep up with the speed for days on the Indian dirt filled pitches in humid weather? This turns their bowling into a chore instead of a passion. This is why they have limited technique and skills. Solutions: Scrap Ranji, make more pace friendly pitches. You may not agree with me but you've got to admit that something's wrong with our bowling so what's your take on why it's so bad. *ps, I had nothing to do on a Saturday morning after helping mom with chores. :desiwoman:

[NareshK]

Yes, they should do away with slow, low wickets or batting pitches for longer version. Make more green wickets which assist pace bowling. Find talent in every region and groom them so that there will be 3 bowlers in every Ranji team who can bowl 130+. We will naturally produce batsmen who can face that bowling with the right technique and temperament. Then, we can do well in Eng, SA and Aus in tests. It sounds like a pipe dream but if BCCI with its resources can plan ahead, they can get there eventually. But at the moment, this dream is hijacked by T20 and IPL and lack of planning or will to become a top test team.

[KeyboardWarrior]

but but you have dinda , ishant , sree ? :hmmm:

[Lord]

but but you have dinda ' date=' ishant , sree ? :hmmm:[/quote'] all eligible to play:aha:

[Sandeep99]

Look, the way I see it is, our bowlers don't bowl with their heart! There's no passion... And this is embedded in our culture... We always like to bat, no kid wants to bowl...bowling is just done so that you get your turn to bat.. I hope India unearths a couple of youngsters who just want to bowl their heart out and express themselves..

[NareshK]

^^That's because those kids never had fast bowling idols. We never had one pace bowler who could run through a whole side or get a hat trick or become a hero for the team. There have been good bowlers but nobody like a Sachin or Gavaskar on the pace bowling front. The rise of ODI cricket also meant more popularity for batsmen and pitches getting more flatter and tougher for pacers.

[KeyboardWarrior]

but almost everyone in india like and appreciate imran and waseem. why dont they make them there bowling idols ? :hmmm:

[Jersey #10]

How do you find motivation while you are bowling in 50 degree heat on dusty wickets while neither of the teams have intentions of winning? So you keep bowling and bowling and bowling for 50 some overs, you get tired and then at one point you're like "fark it".

[SLICKR392]

but almost everyone in india like and appreciate imran and waseem. why dont they make them there bowling idols ? :hmmm:

You don't become a "Waqar" or "Wasim" just by idolizing them.

[NareshK]

but almost everyone in india like and appreciate imran and waseem. why dont they make them there bowling idols ? :hmmm:

By that sense, Pak kids can also idolize Sachin, Sehwag, Dravid, Dhoni etc. Why are your best batsmen Kamran Akmal, Shoaib Malik, Misbah ? :cantstop:

[CG]

Look' date=' the way I see it is, [b']our bowlers don't bowl with their heart! There's no passion... And this is embedded in our culture... We always like to bat, no kid wants to bowl...bowling is just done so that you get your turn to bat.. I hope India unearths a couple of youngsters who just want to bowl their heart out and express themselves..

Thats untrue.If you watches indian cricket in last few years.You wiould have noticed the change. Guys Like Ishant,Sreesanth,Yadav,Dinda try as hard as anybody.Even in england or australia they ran in and never gave the impression they were not trying.Its a huge change from days earlier when our bowlers would trundle in and give the impression they do not want to be there.They lack in skills and temperament but not in passion or commitment.

[NareshK]

Thats untrue.If you watches indian cricket in last few years.You wiould have noticed the change. Guys Like Ishant,Sreesanth,Dinda try as hard as anybody.Even in england or australia they ran in and never gave the impression they were not trying.Its a huge change from days earlier when our bowlers would trundle in and give the impression they do not want to be there.They lack in skills and temperament but not in passion or commitment.

I agree. Indian pacers now give everything. In the 90s, they used to look drained by the afternoon and looked like they gave up well before the game was lost. Big change in effort and attitude.

[KeyboardWarrior]

By that sense' date=' Pak kids can also idolize Sachin, Sehwag, Dravid, Dhoni etc. Why are your best batsmen Kamran Akmal, Shoaib Malik, Misbah ? :cantstop:[/quote'] i m sure few pakistani idealise sachin :idunno:

[NareshK]

^^It doesnt seem to have any difference to the quality of batsmen you produce. :P Its more important for someone from your state or the country you support to do well, so they can look up to him and believe you can be somebody like him. All the batsmen in India's World Cup winning team are more or less Sachin fans growing up.

[KeyboardWarrior]

^^It doesnt seem to have any difference to the quality of batsmen you produce. :P Its more important for someone from your state or the country you support to do well' date=' so they can look up to him and believe you can be somebody like him. All the batsmen in India's World Cup winning team are more or less Sachin fans growing up.[/quote'] what r u trying to say is that in futre pakistan cant find a batsman like sachin and india cant find bowler like waseem ? :((

[NareshK]

what r u trying to say is that in futre pakistan cant find a batsman like sachin and india cant find bowler like waseem ? :((

No, I never said that. But it helps to have a role model from your own city, state, country etc.

[SLICKR392]

what r u trying to say is that in futre pakistan cant find a batsman like sachin and india cant find bowler like waseem ? :((

Yep.

[KeyboardWarrior]

Yep.

LOL :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[express bowling]

This season we have seen quite a few newer bowlers bowling with effort, hitting the deck hard, getting bounce and seam movement. Pacers like Rajpoot, Warrier, Pandey, Shami, Mohit, Anwar would fit this bill. Even older pacers like Pankaj have started to hit the deck harder. This is a bit different from the average Ranji pacer who used to gently float the ball without any effort. Sure there were a few effort bowlers like Umesh, Aaron, Ishant but the number of such bowlers coming through have increased over the years. This a very good sign indeed and gives hope that when we have talented hard working pacers, we may have a more potent attack in the next 2/3 years. Improved pitches in the group stages is perhaps the biggest reason. The pitches can improve even further and the pattas in the knockouts should go. Umesh and Aaron being picked based on sheer pace and that fact being publicized has also had an effect in motivating youngsters to bowl faster. Umesh succeeding to a certain extent in tests has also had an impact. If he can become a good bowler with pace in the next couple of years then he can become a role model which is a big requisite. State teams having better coaches like Prasad, Pringle etc. is another reason. Speed guns being used in more and more training facilities, domestic matches etc. has also helped. It motivates pacers to put in more and more effort. A fast bowling culture is required and that maybe slowly developing as a result of the above mentioned factors. Fast bowling is a tough job and there must be motivation and competition to help bowlers succeed. I am hopeful.

[KeyboardWarrior]

This season we have seen quite a few newer bowlers bowling with effort, hitting the deck hard, getting bounce and seam movement. Pacers like Rajpoot, Warrier, Pandey, Shami, Mohit, Anwar would fit this bill. Even older pacers like Pankaj have started to hit the deck harder. This is a bit different from the average Ranji pacer who used to gently float the ball without any effort. Sure there were a few effort bowlers like Umesh, Aaron, Ishant but the number of such bowlers coming through have increased over the years. This a very good sign indeed and gives hope that when we have talented hard working pacers, we may have a more potent attack in the next 2/3 years. Improved pitches in the group stages is perhaps the biggest reason. The pitches can improve even further and the pattas in the knockouts should go. Umesh and Aaron being picked based on sheer pace and that fact being publicized has also had an effect in motivating youngsters to bowl faster. Umesh succeeding to a certain extent in tests has also had an impact. If he can become a good bowler with pace in the next couple of years then he can become a role model which is a big requisite. State teams having better coaches like Prasad, Pringle etc. is another reason. Speed guns being used in more and more training facilities, domestic matches etc. has also helped. It motivates pacers to put in more and more effort. A fast bowling culture is required and that maybe slowly developing as a result of the above mentioned factors. Fast bowling is a tough job and there must be motivation and competition to help bowlers succeed. I am hopeful.

Bro we heared this kind of same stories every year from ur side :idunno: