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Is Indian batsmen's ability to play swing bowling declining?


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forget overall talent for a sec-So you are saying the defensive technique of the new crop of players is the same as SRT' date='Dravid,Ganguly,Laxman[/quote'] Only SRT and Dravid had exceptional techniques among Indian batsmen and even then, I have seen them struggling when it swings. Ganguly and Laxman never had great techniques against swing and that is the reason Laxman has poor record in England.
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This is nothing new. When batsmen are out of form then that is what happens. Most of them are not scoring even on flat tracks let alone seaming and swinging conditions right now.
That's exactly what I am trying to say they are not surviving enough to cash in on the pattas because in SC,the ball swings on most grounds especially in winter for atleast 3-4 overs.
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That's exactly what I am trying to say they are not surviving enough to cash in on the pattas because in SC' date='the ball swings on most grounds especially in winter for atleast 3-4 overs.[/quote'] But that is not because ball is swinging but because they are out of form likes of GG and Kohli.
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Only SRT and Dravid had exceptional techniques among Indian batsmen and even then' date=' I have seen them struggling when it swings. Ganguly and Laxman never had great techniques against swing and that is the reason Laxman has poor record in England.[/quote'] Laxman agree but Ganguly was succesful in England thanks to his comfort of knowing the off-stump as we all know he was predominantly an offside player....On topic,he somehow or the other compensated his technique to negotiate the swinging ball...I don't see it among the younger lot
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Laxman agree but Ganguly was succesful in England thanks to his comfort of knowing the off-stump as we all know he was predominantly an offside player....On topic' date='he somehow or the other compensated his technique to negotiate the swinging ball...I don't see it among the younger lot[/quote'] For that, we will have invest in right kind of players for longer forms who have that kind of patience and technique, not every one even at that time had great technique or temperament. It is not about younger or older generation, but finding right player for right role and it wont be easy because there will be very few who will succeed and then it is a fact that best of the best batsmen struggle when ball swings and bowling is good whether they are from England, Aus or SA.
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Only SRT and Dravid had exceptional techniques among Indian batsmen and even then' date=' I have seen them struggling when it swings. Ganguly and Laxman never had great techniques against swing and that is the reason Laxman has poor record in England.[/quote'] Laxman had a very good technique.He did well in england in 2007 averaging 51 and even in 2002 he averaged 40 on that tour .Laxman Tendency was to go to back foot and play late as age catched up he could not go as far forward as he once used to from that position.But He played late which was key to him been so good abroad. Ganguly had Problems from 2003 against swing but he reduced his batlift and worked hard on his tehcnique and came back a diff player.
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Most batsmen find it hard when there is swing along with pace and bounce. Its not the swing alone that bothers most batsmen. There are plenty of bowlers who swing the ball in FC but most of them dont generate the pace and bounce that international bowlers do. Because of the lack of quality bowlers in FC, batsmen without experience are not used to handling quality bowling in helpful conditions as much as English, South African batsmen do and struggle early on in their career. A bit like how young English batsmen struggle when there is turn and facing a good spinner. But as they continue playing top quality bowlers in tests, some with skill and temperament will get used to it like Sachin and Dravid did.

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If we have to produce batsmen who can play pace bowlers better in overseas conditions much sooner, there have to be more bowlers like BK, Shami, Umesh, Sreesanth in every team in Ranji and pitches have to help them lot more, so that only batsmen who can score runs against them can be selected and they have a better chance of facing up to good quality pacers. Otherwise, it will take years for our batsmen to play tests overseas and get whitewashed and learn the ropes and finally become good enough to score runs there.

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If we have to produce batsmen who can play pace bowlers better in overseas conditions much sooner, there have to be more bowlers like BK, Shami, Umesh, Sreesanth in every team in Ranji and pitches have to help them lot more, so that only batsmen who can score runs against them can be selected and they have a better chance of facing up to good quality pacers. Otherwise, it will take years for our batsmen to play tests overseas and get whitewashed and learn the ropes and finally become good enough to score runs there.
All we have is mighty Stuart garner binny ,rajat Marshall bhatia,running faster then bullet and scaring batsmen with 120 kph thunderbolts.
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If we have to produce batsmen who can play pace bowlers better in overseas conditions much sooner, there have to be more bowlers like BK, Shami, Umesh, Sreesanth in every team in Ranji and pitches have to help them lot more, so that only batsmen who can score runs against them can be selected and they have a better chance of facing up to good quality pacers. Otherwise, it will take years for our batsmen to play tests overseas and get whitewashed and learn the ropes and finally become good enough to score runs there.
SRT/RD/Ganguly/VVS also lost their first tours to Eng/SA/Aust... 3-0 in Australia, 1-0 in Eng, 2-0 in South Africa
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Its not just Indians, ability to play genuine swing is diminishing across all cricket playing nations, with the advent of T20 (not blaming T20), the game has evolved, its a different era all together, I am sure if gavaskar had played today he wouldnt have been the gavaskar of old, this for me makes Viv Richards the greatest batsmen the world has produced, coz he brutalised some of the worlds best in far better bowling condition's, a player born ahead of time, playing ahead of time :hatsoff:

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Every nation is struggling against pace. Would you have imagined Australia getting bowled out for 40 odd ( slipping to 9-21 at one stage) in the past? Today's batsmen shudder at the very prospect of facing good swing bowling, and when the bowlers are also very quick, they are clueless. Indian batsmen can get away with it, if they had bowlers as good as some other sides.

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Good swing bowling is difficult to play for all batsmen, not only Indians. Even our inconsistent bowlers were able to bowl SA out in their own turf for 84 (2006), 131 (2011) on surfaces which aid swing bowling. SA batsmen are considered to be one of the best players of swing bowling. Who can forget 2007 test series in England when the English players had no answers to Zaheer, RP and Sree. India also dismissed Australia for just over 200 in Perth where the wicket uncharacteristically swung. If you have good swing bowlers in the team and the pitch helps them, no batsman in the world can be called as good player. All players have decent techniques that's the reason they play test cricket. It is the bowler who needs to make it count when the pitch helps them.

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bowlers win u matches abroad..even 250 odd score is decent if u have genuine fast bowlers with brains and a good fielding side..we have played tried and tested idiots in important tours.. have to play likes of yadav,shami,aaron etc in important tours if fully fit..they have to be told which lengths to bowl and under what score they should get the opposition out

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bowlers win u matches abroad..even 250 odd score is decent if u have genuine fast bowlers with brains and a good fielding side..we have played tried and tested idiots in important tours.. have to play likes of yadav,shami,aaron etc in important tours if fully fit..they have to be told which lengths to bowl and under what score they should get the opposition out
The only way we are going to have fit bowlers is if we take care of them. IPL is the biggest culprit. Playing around 20-30 meaningless T20's (IPL+Champions League) a year can break down any fast bowler. BCCI needs to keep these fast bowlers away from IPL if they have any interest in building a good team for the future. I guess BCCI has enough money to compensate these bowlers for not playing in a lucrative tournament like IPL. These bowlers instead can play county during their off season which will help them to develop skills ala Zaheer in 2005/06.
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Yep. No batsman in the world can tackle good swing bowling in a fool proof manner. They need to play late or step outside the crease to negotiate the swing. Batsman definitely needs luck to survive against good swing bowlers on wickets conducive for bowling. There will be misses, balls zipping past the edge, close lbw calls etc and it needs lots of luck and skill to make a hundred against quality swing bowlers. International level batsmen develop a basic intuition for predicting the bowlers plans for the next delivery and it is difficult to even sight a 145kph delivery, leave alone play the ball effectively. Through constant practice, experience playing in matches and an inborn talent, quality batsmen know what the bowler will bowl and where - those without this intution will not survive at the highest level. Domestic bullies who makes tonnes of runs are often exposed because they are not good enough to predict bowler's game plan. A 145kph ball reaches the batsman in just 0.70 seconds. No batsman in the world has such reaction times, i.e to sight and judge the ball, decide what to play and execute the stroke. Batting good swing bowling needs inborn talent to assess the ball's trajectory to a degree that defies logic. Practice makes such batsmen very good players. Others may practice equally hard but do not have much success.

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