gs Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 No surrender: Obama was ready to 'rain hell' on Pakistan during bin Laden raid WASHINGTON: US President Barack Obama vetoed the idea of a Seal 6 team tasked with killing Osama bin Laden surrendering if surrounded by Pakistani troops. Instead, he planned to "rain hell" on the Pakistani military in such an eventuality, stirring new insights into the Abbottabad invasion that nailed the world's No.1 terrorist has revealed. An exhaustive account of the Abbottabad raid in Esquire magazine by Phil Bronstein, former Editor of the San Francisco Chronicle, provides granular details of the foray based on interviews with the Seal 6 commando who shot bin Laden dead, identifying him merely as the "shooter." Discussions during the planning stages looked at what would happen if they were surrounded by Pakistani troops. The original plan was to surrender and have Vice-President Joe Biden fly to Islamabad and negotiate their release. But President Obama called it differently. "This is hearsay, but I understand Obama said, Hell no. My guys are not surrendering. What do we need to rain hell on the Pakistani military?" Bronstein paraphrases the shooter as saying. The commando also makes known his admiration for the President: That was the one time in my life I was thinking, I am f**king voting for this guy. I had a picture of him lying in bed at night, thinking, You're not f***king with my guys. Like, he's thinking about us. The Seal6 team later gets word that the US would be scrambling jets on the border to back up the raiding party. The Shooter talks of writing tear-stained letters to his children to be delivered in case of their death because the chances of returning alive were not initially rated very high. "It was either death or a Pakistani prison, where we'd be raped for the rest of our lives," he says. The actual confrontation itself resulting in his nailing bin Laden dead lasts only a few seconds, as the Shooter encounters him on the third floor of the Abbottabad mansion. "He had his hands on a woman's shoulders, pushing her ahead, not exactly toward me but by me, in the direction of the hallway commotion. It was his youngest wife, Amal...the SEALs had nightscopes, but it was coal-black for bin Laden and the other residents. He can hear but he can't see...He looked confused. And way taller than I was expecting...He was holding her in front of him. Maybe as a shield, I don't know,' the Seal 6 shooter recalls. Further: "He's got a gun on a shelf right there, the short AK he's famous for. And he's moving forward. I don't know if she's got a vest and she's being pushed to martyr them both. He's got a gun within reach. He's a threat. I need to get a head shot so he won't have a chance to clack himself off [blow himself up]. In that second, I shot him, two times in the forehead. Bap! Bap! The second time as he's going down. He crumpled onto the floor in front of his bed and I hit him again, Bap! same place." The raid is not without its moment of humor and pathos. The Shooter describes how going into the raid he had a full bladder and had to relieve himself into a bottle. "I forgot until later that when I shot bin Laden in the face, I had a bottle of piss in my pocket," he recounts. He also talks of listening later to phone calls between al-Qaida operatives trying to figure out who ratted on bin Laden. He quotes "funny terrorists" as saying, "I heard he did it to himself. He was locked up in that house with three wives." How I wish those imbeciles in Abbottabad had tried to interfere ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kubrickian Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 How I wish those imbeciles in Abbottabad had tried to interfere ;) They wouldnt because they know who is the boss. :bigboss: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSK Fan Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 No surrender: Obama was ready to 'rain hell' on Pakistan during bin Laden raid How I wish those imbeciles in Abbottabad had tried to interfere ;) They didnt even know about the raid till the team was safely out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Great joke that day was pulled on everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Great joke that day was pulled on everyone. Yea we know Pakistan scrambled fighters thinking they could challenge USA directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Yea we know Pakistan scrambled fighters thinking they could challenge USA directly. I dunno, you don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I dunno' date=' you don't know[/quote'] How do you know about the apparent joke ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 How do you know about the apparent joke ? I don't But that's what I think of the OBL episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I don't But that's what I think of the OBL episode. You need to stop doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I don't But that's what I think of the OBL episode. Ah yes, I also think that you think that polio drops are given to babies to sterilize them when they become men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Ah yes' date=' I also think that you think that polio drops are given to babies to sterilize them when they become men.[/quote'] You think wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 You need to stop doing that. No you need to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 as keyboard warrior would say we had plans for that :beee: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbbells Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I wish they carried few nuclear bombs..... J/K.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Pakis probably knew all along and were too chicken **** to respond (or Amreekis had the kill codes for their Radar installations). Either way, they were caught with their pants down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Pakis probably knew all along and were too chicken **** to respond (or Amreekis had the kill codes for their Radar installations). Either way' date=' they were caught with their pants down.[/quote'] I think everyone knew. If the Pak government admitted they knew the raid was going on, then the extremists would have even more reason to target them and cause havoc in Pakistan. However, if they denied any knowledge of the raid, they could atleast put the blame squarely on the US and avoid retaliation by extremists. That's just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I think everyone knew. If the Pak government admitted they knew the raid was going on' date=' then the extremists would have even more reason to target them and cause havoc in Pakistan. However, if they denied any knowledge of the raid, they could atleast put the blame squarely on the US and avoid retaliation by extremists. That's just a thought.[/quote'] I present to you, two Venn diagrams - Diagram 1 Diagram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I present to you, two Venn diagrams - Diagram 1 Diagram 2 Sure it may have been a moment of embarrassment. But if you were in a position of power, would you rather have a moment of embarrassment or a few months of bombings and attacks ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedhi Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Sure it may have been a moment of embarrassment. But if you were in a position of power' date=' would you rather have a moment of embarrassment or a few months of bombings and attacks ?[/quote']Only a paki can come up with this logic. Any cooperation with the paki army would have jeopardized the mission it self, given that OBL was a practically a state guest living in the very lap of the paki army. Also, any cooperation of the paki army would immediately become known to the Taliban any way. No way these things can be kept hidden in paki-land. Thirdly, how to you explain the paki army extracting vengeance on the doctor Shakil Afridi ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Sure it may have been a moment of embarrassment. But if you were in a position of power' date=' would you rather have a moment of embarrassment or a few months of bombings and attacks ?[/quote'] Lets just assume for a moment that what you are saying is right - What that essentially means is that the Pakistani govt knew all along about the American plan to raid the Abbottabad compound, but laid low in the hope that they could simply blame it all on the Americans later. Pardon for the crude analogy, but is there a bigger proverbial rape of a country's sovereignty than have 2 helicopter full of foreign special forces land less than a mile from the country's premier military academy to conduct a Hollywood style assassination of the world's most wanted man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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