MCcricket Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I have noticed in a last few years good sides like Australia, Pakistan are struggling and have become mediocre sides also their bowling is pretty good, SL doesn't have any decent new test batter as weight is on the seniors and only they are performing, only England, India, SA to some extent have good young test batters. I hope it is a temporary thing or it may be a symptom of T20 or something else but there is a serious fall in batting talent, sides with strong domestic cricket like Australia and SL, EVEN SA haven't produced too many good young batters and Pakistan hasn't done so in ages:(( Link to comment
G_B_ Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 hmm i doubt T20 is to blame. I feel rather than now a days pitches in general have gone flatter. As a result when you get a pitch with some grass it becomes a real wicket taker Link to comment
MCcricket Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 Pitches have not become flatter in the 4 day encounter at the domestic level, Australian wickets have not changed so much, nor SA, ENGLAND, Pakistan India, SL SAME DUST BOWLS, INFACT India HAS SEEN A IMPROVEMENT IN PITCHES AND player wise, besides India don't see good test batters coming in recently or even last few years, same for SA, Australia, Pakistan is hopeless and SL test batting is also weak after the senior batters. Link to comment
Crookbond Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Pitches have not become flatter in the 4 day encounter at the domestic level' date= Australian wickets have not changed so much, nor SA, ENGLAND, Pakistan India, SL SAME DUST BOWLS, INFACT India HAS SEEN A IMPROVEMENT IN PITCHES AND player wise, besides India don't see good test batters coming in recently or even last few years, same for SA, Australia, Pakistan is hopeless and SL test batting is also weak after the senior batters. Wrong - they have become more difficult to bat on at the domestic level. Link to comment
MCcricket Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 Wrong - they have become more difficult to bat on at the domestic level. Can you elaborate ? Link to comment
vayuu1 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 One thing you lot are missing is rebuilding ,England and south Africa every team is going through it,thoda time to lagta hai na adjust hone mein,lot of experiments are going on ,regarding settled line ups,to thoda time do . Link to comment
Crookbond Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Can you elaborate ? In Australia, pitches are a bit more difficult to bat in the last 4-5 years than it was earlier. This is due to specific request of Cricket Australia to make spicy pitches. In fact, this is regarded as one of the many reasons for poor Australian batting performances in Test cricket over the last 3 years or so. Link to comment
MCcricket Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 In Australia' date=' pitches are a bit more difficult to bat in the last 4-5 years than it was earlier. This is due to specific request of Cricket Australia to make spicy pitches. In fact, this is regarded as one of the many reasons for poor Australian batting performances in Test cricket over the last 3 years or so.[/quote'] But wont it pay back in the longer run, with better batters coming to the fore? Link to comment
Crookbond Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 But wont it pay back in the longer run' date=' with better batters coming to the fore?[/quote'] IDK - the assumption for that line of argument is that batsmen learn to bat and/or bowlers don't get smarter. Domestic teams are also looking to win matches so that might as well not happen. It is important to play long innings (even if it is on flat tracks) to get a feel of things in Test cricket. Link to comment
The Outsider Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Why just batting, even the bowling standards around the world are abysmal. Link to comment
msb1991 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 There seems to be a real lack of application from Test batsmen these days. Link to comment
GolGappe Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 It's a big worry - You hardly see big centuries now. Bell's 109 was made to look like an epic knock Link to comment
maniac Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 DOn't think there is a lack of focus on tests...I mean ask guys like Pollard or Yusuf and they will tell you that tests are the real thing....The issue seems to be more of selection problems than anything else Link to comment
Old guy Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 just a phase as many good cricketers have retired .. will take 3-4 years and standard of both batting and bowling should be much better Link to comment
Fontaine Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 For test cricket it really comes down to footwork in my opinion. Players now grow up learning to bat through the line with minimal footwork in limited overs cricket so they never learn the fundamentals of proper footwork against spin and swing bowling. There was a time only 10-12 years ago where a player without proper footwork wouldn't even be considered for test match cricket but now there's no such criteria. That's why modern players don't really learn the essentials of footwork which is less about talent than actually learning it properly - unlike temperament and talent which is just natural and can't really be learned all that much. Thankfully India does have a domestic system that exposes poor footwork against swing/spin bowling so as long as that continues we'll continue producing guys like Pujara/Kohli. Link to comment
Crookbond Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 McCricket - more on the topic of Australian pitches. Even if the Shield were to be granted a place of greater centrality to the Australian summer, the matter of pitches is also a source of problems. Australia's glaring lack of batsmen capable of playing long innings can be related directly to the emergence of a succession of sporting or worse surfaces, as state teams chase the outright results required to reach the Shield final. Queensland and Tasmania have been among the most notable preparers of green surfaces, often for reasons of weather as much as strategy, but their approaches have become increasingly popular across the country. This has resulted in a litany of low-scoring matches and bowlers celebrating far more often than they did during the relatively run-laden 1990s. Batsmen are thus lacking in confidence and technique, while bowlers are similarly less used to striving for wickets on unresponsive surfaces so often prepared in Tests, as administrators eye fifth-day gate receipts. http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/content/story/653981.html Link to comment
msb1991 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 It is a difficult one because surely sporting pitches will also encourage the importance of big innings and capitalising when one is set. Also, does it not, over the long term, force a rock-solid technique? Link to comment
Fontaine Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 It is a difficult one because surely sporting pitches will also encourage the importance of big innings and capitalising when one is set. Also' date=' does it not, over the long term, force a rock-solid technique?[/quote'] Well you have to have sporting pitches because yes it does force the batsmen to learn good defensive technique and how to play properly in the V. But it's a fine balance. I always thought a good pitch was one that had a bit of juice in it to allow for seam bowling in the first day along with swing bowling when the ball was new. And then it would play true for two days until it started to deteriorate in the 4th/5th to help spin. Also a big difference is making proper boundary lines where a six/four is actually a proper hit instead of a small boundary where even tailenders are kicking ass. Link to comment
msb1991 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Well you have to have sporting pitches because yes it does force the batsmen to learn good defensive technique and how to play properly in the V. But it's a fine balance. I always thought a good pitch was one that had a bit of juice in it to allow for seam bowling in the first day along with swing bowling when the ball was new. And then it would play true for two days until it started to deteriorate in the 4th/5th to help spin. Also a big difference is making proper boundary lines where a six/four is actually a proper hit instead of a small boundary where even tailenders are kicking ass. Perhaps flat pitches are the way forward to produce the top batsmen. Most international pitches are flat, by general cricketing standards (including club, domestic cricket) so maybe you want to teach batsmen consistency. The counter-example is India who has a number of domestic bullies but perhaps their lack of runs in the international game is more due to the poor bowling in domestic cricket rather than the flatness of the pitches they are accustomed to. By domestic cricket, maybe techniques are ingrained and so spicy wickets do little to help batsmen? Link to comment
rkt.india Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 It is a difficult one because surely sporting pitches will also encourage the importance of big innings and capitalising when one is set. Also' date=' does it not, over the long term, force a rock-solid technique?[/quote'] Sporting pitches are those which help batsmen and bowlers both and are not heavily tilting in favor of one of them while above post is made about pitches which are giving too much assistance to pacers. On such pitches, a batsmen is never in does not matter how long he has batted. Link to comment
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