CG Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I am confused as to why she was strip searched?? The crime for which she was being arrested doesn't sound like one where strip searching is needed ( which would be more for hiding drugs' date=' weapons etc)[/quote'] They needed to check her goods? USA has some draconian procedures . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedhi Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I am confused as to why she was strip searched?? The crime for which she was being arrested doesn't sound like one where strip searching is needed ( which would be more for hiding drugs' date=' weapons etc)[/quote']Obviously, this is not about justice or any such ideal. This is simply to humiliate India by torturing a female consular officer. I still fail to understand why India has not responded in kind. Throw one of their female officers into prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Time to withdraw some more priviledges of US diplomats and time for India to throw the book at some of them. Sent from my GT-I9500 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterTheVoid Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Obviously' date=' this is not about justice or any such ideal. This is simply to humiliate India by torturing a female consular officer.[/quote'] Amazing how you seem more concerned with how she was treated upon her arrest rather than the gravity of her crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainfade Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 While the governments fight about what rules do and do not apply to diplomats, who is taking up the case of the exploited maid? Shouldn't the Indian government be concerned about their well-being, too? After all, aren't they Indian citizens? Oh wait, they're just naukars/naukraanis. The Indian govt has a legitimate reason to be outraged that this woman was strip-searched. And they must protest and get the US govt to apologize. Not because she is a diplomat, but because no one needs to suffer that indignity unless there is evidence that s/he was running drugs or weapons or committed a violent crime. That aside, I am not shedding any tears that her honorable self spent some time with "common" thieves. Maybe she'll learn to treat her servants with more dignity in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterTheVoid Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 While the governments fight about what rules do and do not apply to diplomats, who is taking up the case of the exploited maid? Shouldn't the Indian government be concerned about their well-being, too? Aren't they Indian citizens? Oh wait, they're just naukars/naukraanis. The Indian govt has a legitimate reason to be outraged that this woman was strip-searched. And they must protest and get the US govt to apologize. Not because she is a diplomat, but because no one needs to suffer that indignity unless there is evidence that s/he was running drugs or weapons or committed a violent crime. That aside, I am not shedding any tears that her honorable self spent some time with "common" thieves. Maybe she'll learn to treat her servants with more dignity in the future. All the maid is asking for is appropriate renumeration the work she has done. Bo no means an unreasonable request. Unfortunately, all these political chamchas are siding with the diplomat as they need to look tough come election time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomainK Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 All the maid is asking for is appropriate renumeration the work she has done. Bo no means an unreasonable request. Unfortunately, all these political chamchas are siding with the diplomat as they need to look tough come election time. From what I understand, all the controversy is about the way an Indian Diplomat was treated. Nobody has defended the crimes she has committed "if" she has committed them. The Indian government, the diplomat and her lawyers have maintained that the maid was indeed paid her dues and that it will be proved in a court of law when the trial starts. Is it possible that the maid is actually wrong? Yes, quite possible. Is it possible that she was exploited? Yes, possible. But we don't know. So how are people supporting either parties? We are doing that driven by our respective perceptioss and prejudices. Those of us who strongly believe that the rich/powerful always get away because they are rich, have a tendency to always accuse the rich of wrongdoing whenever a rich/powerful is in a controversy. Just because the diplomat is rich, does not ncessarily mean that she must be the culprit. The current controversy however, is about the way a diplomat is treated in another country. There are some written rules about that and then there are unwritten courtesies that are extended between friendly nations. The appropriate thing for the US to do, even though they are not obligated to do that by the rules, was to take the Indian government into confidence before starting the proceedings and then to have done it keeping the dignity of the office she represents, not the person. If the Indian government wanted to bring her back to India to face investigations, the US should have allowed that because 1. The crime is not a very serious rime and 2. US itself has many times bullied other countries into letting their diplomats go after they have broken the laws of the land. Some of the crimes were quite serious in nature. Such things do happen. Diplomatic courtesies and favors are frequently exchanged between countries. The question is not whether the Indian diplomat broke American laws. The question is whether the US handled the situation the way they should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arun81 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Could any of the AAP fanboys enlighten why mr Kejri is quiet about the Diplomat incident ? He makes noise about every thing under the sun. Is it because of his links with the "Famous car" foundation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 The question is not whether the Indian diplomat broke American laws. The question is whether the US handled the situation the way they should have. She was not a "diplomat" apparently, just a consular officer, which is why she has been moved to the UN now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedhi Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Whatever be the outcome of this saga, it has at least given us a reality check about the humbug called a "strategic partnership" with the USA. In the future at least the Indian leadership will think twice before bending backwards for the US. Today, India has been reduced to another pakistan - a use and throw "ally" of the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Whatever be the outcome of this saga, it has at least given us a reality check about the humbug called a "strategic partnership" with the USA. In the future at least the Indian leadership will think twice before bending backwards for the US. Today, India has been reduced to another pakistan - a use and throw "ally" of the USA. Not the first time US has declined to provide immunity. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/02/nyregion/strauss-kahns-claim-of-diplomatic-immunity-is-rejected.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Diplomatic row: No retroactive immunity for Devyani, US says "Nobody is walking away from the charges. The judicial process is independent of the state department,” US state department spokeswoman said. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/No-retroactive-immunity-for-Khobragade-US-says/articleshow/27667159.cmsdepartment,” What will Khurshid saab do now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Devyani’s sister has released a letter to the media which Maid Sangeeta has written to her family. Sangeeta Richards has written in the letter that the diplomat’s family is very nice to her. Sangeeta has stated clearly in the letter that she is very happy with Devyani’s family. She mentioned in her letter that Devyani treats her like a family member not a servant. Link The letter is here . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Whatever be the outcome of this saga, it has at least given us a reality check about the humbug called a "strategic partnership" with the USA. In the future at least the Indian leadership will think twice before bending backwards for the US. Today, India has been reduced to another pakistan - a use and throw "ally" of the USA. +1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 You dont give visas to citizens of India living in India who have criminal cases againist them. There is no such law as of now and there should not be. You can't take away right of travelling to abroad from somebody just because a criminal case has been filed which hasn't been proved yet. This has been dealt with supreme court in very detail and it is established that pendency of criminal case is not enough ground to take away somebody's right to travel abroad. In fact I have a judgment form US court where US immigration was asked to overturn their decision of not issuing visa to an Indian citizen on account of pendency of criminal case against him. I am not in support of either side of the argument in this case. Just wanted to clarify this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterTheVoid Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Diplomatic row: No retroactive immunity for Devyani' date= US says "Nobody is walking away from the charges. The judicial process is independent of the state department,” US state department spokeswoman said. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/No-retroactive-immunity-for-Khobragade-US-says/articleshow/27667159.cmsdepartment,” What will Khurshid saab do now ? Stunning. A nice tight slap across the faces of those who think they can weasel out of their responsibilities through money and intimidation. You really have to admire the US for enforcing the law without being intimidated by the person's background and/or social status. :hatsoff: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 All the maid is asking for is appropriate renumeration the work she has done. Bo no means an unreasonable request. Unfortunately, all these political chamchas are siding with the diplomat as they need to look tough come election time. It is an unreasonable request if she made the deal in India. Just because you clean a house in the states doesnt mean you get 10x more than cleaning the same house in India. What India should've done, is put these maids on the embassy payroll. That way, Indian embassy paygrades apply, we can say 'they are embassy staff, serving embassy personnel and their employer is technically, on Indian soil' ( as Indian embassy is, technically, Indian soil). So if she agreed to Rs 10,000 per month to clean a house, it is binding and US minimum wage/labor laws do not apply. But our system is a bit bolloxed up- we let the consular people hire maids in a personal capacity, not as employees of the Indian embassy, therefore minimum wage in US will apply in the maid's case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedhi Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Stunning. A nice tight slap across the faces of those who think they can weasel out of their responsibilities through money and intimidation. You really have to admire the US for enforcing the law without being intimidated by the person's background and/or social status. :hatsoff:LOL! Just 10 days ago US filed charges against several Russian consular officials for mediclaim fraud. However, the did not arrest or touch any one of them as they dare not risk Putin's retaliation in Moscow. So much for enforcing the rule of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 There is no such law as of now and there should not be. You can't take away right of travelling to abroad from somebody just because a criminal case has been filed which hasn't been proved yet. This has been dealt with supreme court in very detail and it is established that pendency of criminal case is not enough ground to take away somebody's right to travel abroad. In fact I have a judgment form US court where US immigration was asked to overturn their decision of not issuing visa to an Indian citizen on account of pendency of criminal case against him. I am not in support of either side of the argument in this case. Just wanted to clarify this point. Made this point around a 1000 times on this thread - refusal to understand. Btw, forget a criminal case - the Richards family (which flew from India to US)do no not even have a criminal case against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raghav_12 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Made this point around a 1000 times on this thread - refusal to understand. Btw' date=' forget a criminal case - the Richards family (which flew from India to US)do no not even have a criminal case against them.[/quote'] yes. But definitely use of word "evacuation" as used by Mr. Bharara is very offensive for a sovereign country like India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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