putrevus Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Lot of blame has been placed on Dhoni for not shepherding this bowling attack properly rightly so but this bowling attack will not win even single tour match forget a test in next 15 months. Other than first innings which looks more flukey than ability these guys have been found wanting big time, They are not even up to basic standards of test cricket.They almost lost a unloseable match in first test. They are not even fit enough to last couple of test matches in a row, how the heck are they going to take wickets. This team stands no chance of winning any test with these bowlers period. Looking at objectively we need somebody to roll their arms in top 6 and if these top 6 are here to stay then I don't think India is going to win even a single match. Indian fast bowlers are simply not tuned to take 20 wickets in match. Yadav may have been missing but I don't think he would have made that much difference, we will see him pretty soon. This team's composition is so screwed up bottom five including keeper cannot bat and top six cannot bowl a lick to help bowlers who are inept and useless. So forgetting the fact that they are playing away from home, should they be playing two spinners in every match and see where that leads this team . Link to comment
I6MTW Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 No. 1 spinner for normal tracks, and 2 for turning tracks. 2 spinners every match would be ineffectual on fast tracks. Link to comment
urbestfriend Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Yes, Unless it is very green track where fast bowlers will get purchase just by landing, we shoudl always go with two spinners. That is our strength. Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 We don't have a 2nd spinner capable of taking wickets on unfriendly tracks. Jaddu has shown true promise, both in ODIs and the oneTest abroad. But, neither Ojha nor Ashwin inspire confidence. Perhaps, one day in the future, Kuldeep Yadav will be our answer to the spin bowling woes. Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 You can curse scream at guys like Ishant , Zaheer but these people are not used to taking wickets in both innings a test match so how they can take wickets in consecutive tests they are not capable of doing it. They simply are used to chip in with odd wicket here and there and some how call themselves as bowlers. Batting has stood up for most part you can't complain but realistically these guys cannot be asked to do more they were dealt a very rough hand by weather and umpires they were all set to cash in on tiring bowling on first day but they were not allowed to do so. Link to comment
NareshK Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 We don't have a 2nd spinner capable of taking wickets on unfriendly tracks. Jaddu has shown true promise' date=' both in ODIs and the oneTest abroad. But, neither Ojha nor Ashwin inspire confidence. Perhaps, one day in the future, Kuldeep Yadav will be our answer to the spin bowling woes.[/quote'] That's too harsh. Ashwin bowled on Wanderers' wicket which hardly helps spinners. But I agree that Jaddu looks a better spinner than Ashwin overseas because of his control and the pace at which he bowls. Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 That's too harsh. Ashwin bowled on Wanderers' wicket which hardly helps spinners. But I agree that Jaddu looks a better spinner than Ashwin overseas because of his control and the pace at which he bowls. Perhaps it is harsh, but I simply cannot see Ashwin doing well against strong batting teams on non-spinning wickets - his performances in Australia, in India against England and at the Wanderers are all sufficient evidence of that. Link to comment
NareshK Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 You can curse scream at guys like Ishant ' date= Zaheer but these people are not used to taking wickets in both innings a test match so how they can take wickets in consecutive tests they are not capable of doing it. They simply are used to chip in with odd wicket here and there and some how call themselves as bowlers. Batting has stood up for most part you can't complain but realistically these guys cannot be asked to do more they were dealt a very rough hand by weather and umpires they were all set to cash in on tiring bowling on first day but they were not allowed to do so. That's our fault. Why are the curators not preparing pitches for tests in India where seamers can take wickets ? Because we like to play on rank turners where we can use spinners to defeat touring sides easily. Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 That's our fault. Why are the curators not preparing pitches for tests in India where seamers can take wickets ? Because we like to play on rank turners where we can use spinners to defeat touring sides easily. so how is cursing the curators going to change anything now, next 15 months no new talent is emerging which is taking indian team to promise land. So how is this team going to handle it, these trundlers are taking this team nowhere, play your best four bowlers and hope they succeed because other option of playing three fast bowlers and one spinner is not going to work. Link to comment
NareshK Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 so how is cursing the curators going to change anything now, next 15 months no new talent is emerging which is taking indian team to promise land. So how is this team going to handle it, these trundlers are taking this team nowhere, play your best four bowlers and hope they succeed because other option of playing three fast bowlers and one spinner is not going to work. Umesh, B Kumar, Shami should be our seamers. They should be given a proper go and see how they perform. Other back up bowlers are Dhawal Kulkarni, Ishwar Pandey. We dont need to play 2 spinners everywhere. If the pitch is dry and offering turn, Ashwin could also play. Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Umesh' date=' B Kumar, Shami should be our seamers. They should be given a proper go and see how they perform. Other back up bowlers are Dhawal Kulkarni, Ishwar Pandey. We dont need to play 2 spinners everywhere. If the pitch is dry and offering turn, Ashwin could also play.[/quote'] are you confident that these guys will pick up 20 wickets and not run out of steam after one innings. Link to comment
NareshK Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 are you confident that these guys will pick up 20 wickets and not run out of steam after one innings. They should be given a fair run as they have done well in FC. I'm confident they will do better than how Zaheer bowled in second test. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Do you think spinners will win us matches overseas?If not, why not play young pacers and let them learn instead of deadwood like Zak and hopeless like Ishant. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 2 spinners every match!!! Crazy Where do I start with this silliness Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Do you think spinners will win us matches overseas?If not' date=' why not play young pacers and let them learn instead of deadwood like Zak and hopeless like Ishant.[/quote'] we have not done it so how do i know thats why is it worth a try, we have tried with these so called fast bowlers and it has taken this team nowhere so why not try with extra spinner. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 we have not done it so how do i know thats why is it worth a try' date=' we have tried with these so called fast bowlers and it has taken this team nowhere so why not try with extra spinner.[/quote'] The fast bowler is carrying drinks Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 The fast bowler is carrying drinks well he would not have carried drinks if he had showed up in odi match he played so blame him also. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 we have not done it so how do i know thats why is it worth a try' date=' we have tried with these so called fast bowlers and it has taken this team nowhere so why not try with extra spinner.[/quote'] I do not think we have not done it. Kumble and Bhajji certainly played together overseas. What we can do is play Ashwin at 6 and bring a bowling alrounder like Rishi at 9. He is as good as BK as a bowler and a better batsman. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 well he would not have carried drinks if he had showed up in odi match he played so blame him also. bowled well in that match Link to comment
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