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India tour of New Zealand 2014

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Indian bowling tradition hahahahha lol Indian bowling continues to be pathetic continuing the nation's wonderful tradition of producing mediocre bowlers and trundlers. we the land of trundlers...long may we continue to be humiliated and bullied abroad in Aus, SA, and Eng with our 130 kph brigade. :two_thumbs_up: it is humiliating seeing our bowlers unable to even touch 135 kph regularly in ODIs

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Indian bowling continues to be pathetic continuing the nation's wonderful tradition of producing mediocre bowlers and trundlers. we the land of trundlers...long may we continue to be humiliated and bullied abroad in Aus, SA, and Eng with our 130 kph brigade. :two_thumbs_up: it is humiliating seeing our bowlers unable to even touch 135 kph regularly in ODIs
Posting random stuff for the sake of it?

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Posting random stuff for the sake of it?
we have lol threads for others, time we have one for our pathetic so called bowlers who keep conceding 300 plus every other day.

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In the next match we will have bowling attack of Ishant Sharma' date=' Umesh Yadav and Md Shami.This attack is definetely not trundlers.[/quote'] Ishant Sharma is worse than a trundler, and anyway his speed is not that far from a trundler. He's bowling in early to mid 130's.

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The whole approach of our cricketing fraternity towards fast bowlers needs change. It should be a total package from identifying, grooming, motivating and managing quicks ...with the cricketing fraternity at every level participating. Currently that is not happening at all. I don't really know how it can happen in the near future. Genuine quicks are getting lost in the system and the VKs coming through in numbers. Target should be pacers with PACE + SKILL or PACE + WICKET TAKING ABILITY. Every other bowler choosen should be recognised as a temporary solution because the real thing is not available.

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well the real problem lies with giving confidence to the bowler, grooming a bowler, and i feel our bowlers become way more matured when they play county cricket e.g. junaid khan i mean being obssesed with pace is one thing, but you need to have the right set of skills to suceed, sami had pace but had no control My personal opinion is that indian bowlers get let down becuase of the captaincy, dhoni opts for defensive field positions to curb down the runs instead of takign wickets in the last ten overs or so, this for winning a match is the right option if you back your batting to chase any score, but what you are doing is, damaging your bowler's confidence, telling him that wickets aren't important...... The only reason pakistan has bowled out opposition for less than 200 even with the new rules is becuase of this attacking brand of bowling,we can't even chase that modest total is a totally diff story..... So it's basically in the mindset, until and unless that changes....... You can't expect miracles or overnight changes....

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In the next match we will have bowling attack of Ishant Sharma' date=' Umesh Yadav and Md Shami.This attack is definetely not trundlers.[/quote'] :haha:

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well the real problem lies with giving confidence to the bowler, grooming a bowler, and i feel our bowlers become way more matured when they play county cricket e.g. junaid khan i mean being obssesed with pace is one thing, but you need to have the right set of skills to suceed, sami had pace but had no control My personal opinion is that indian bowlers get let down becuase of the captaincy, dhoni opts for defensive field positions to curb down the runs instead of takign wickets in the last ten overs or so, this for winning a match is the right option if you back your batting to chase any score, but what you are doing is, damaging your bowler's confidence, telling him that wickets aren't important...... The only reason pakistan has bowled out opposition for less than 200 even with the new rules is becuase of this attacking brand of bowling,we can't even chase that modest total is a totally diff story..... So it's basically in the mindset, until and unless that changes....... You can't expect miracles or overnight changes....
good post.

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today ishant bowl good his last over with few yorkers. why he did not bowl the last over? hate shone why he change bowlers after every 2 overs. buvi could have been good in these conditions. None of the bowler bowl full qota?? if you wanna bowl from kholi and raina then drop one of the pacer bring in batsman.

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today ishant bowl good his last over with few yorkers. why he did not bowl the last over? hate shone why he change bowlers after every 2 overs. buvi could have been good in these conditions. None of the bowler bowl full qota?? if you wanna bowl from kholi and raina then drop one of the pacer bring in batsman.
This was another strange decision. Normally, he is bad but today, when he was decent, why was he removed ?

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It is not that our bowlers do not show potential when they come to the scenes. Bhuvaneswar's bowling impressed almost every expert. Ishant was praised. Irfan Pathan was one of the most promising young bowler in the world. Even Shammi now is bowling almost on par with most SA bowlers except Steyn Yet it is the same story every time. They just fail along the way and become like every other bowler. In the last match I couldn't differentiate between how BK bowled and how Mohit Sharma bowled Surely there has to be an underlying cause to all this? You can blame lack of skills only so many times. Whereas bowlers of other teams only get better with every match, our bowlers lose confidence with every match and regress. There is definitely a pattern.

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SA v India 2013, 1st Test there is just no bowler with X factor pathetic tradition of indian bowling continues frustrating to see Umesh Yadav hardly get any games and give him chance to develop. whilst the incompetent Ishant Sharma...

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Zak is too old now, doesn't last for more than an innings. Others just don't have it in them to up it when the team needs them. They just show flashes of brilliance here and there (read: Ishant). Shami has been an exception but if the trend is anything to go by, he'll be joining them in 6-8 months.

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Will Dhoni & Fletcher do the honourable thing? If this test is lost after being in such a powerful position then both the captain and coach need to show some honour and resign. It will be 0-9 on away tours under this comedy duo and enough is enough. The lethargic negative captaincy is just embarrassing and Dhoni shows no inclination to learn from previous horror tours. If anybody knows what Fletcher actually does it would be god to know as currently he is the most overpaid training cone in the world. The list of negatives they bring far outweighs any positives. We just cannot keep persisting with this dumb and dumber duo, just cannot.

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If they did not do the honorable thing after 8-0 , why will they do it after another overseas Test Defeat ? After all a test series with WI or SL is always around the corner to help salvage eveyone's reputations.

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If this test is lost after being in such a powerful position then both the captain and coach need to show some honour and resign. It will be 0-9 on away tours under this comedy duo and enough is enough. The lethargic negative captaincy is just embarrassing and Dhoni shows no inclination to learn from previous horror tours. If anybody knows what Fletcher actually does it would be god to know as currently he is the most overpaid training cone in the world. The list of negatives they bring far outweighs any positives. We just cannot keep persisting with this dumb and dumber duo, just cannot.
Man take a lottery you may win, but dhoni resigning captaincy is like finding water on mars. Him being csk captain and sreeni's right hand dont expect such good things from bcci. Its just start of another loosing streak. NZ will be licking their lips.

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What if Dhoni resigns, do our bowlers magically become world class under Kohli/Pujara? I don't get why people are after coach/captain every time we lose. Every time we lose its been the bowlers. The difference between 8-0 and now is the batting order and look at the batting, how has it come off. Ishant-Zak played in 0-8, Ashwin played in Australia. Only Shami has been the difference.

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What if Dhoni resigns, do our bowlers magically become world class under Kohli/Pujara? I don't get why people are after coach/captain every time we lose. Every time we lose its been the bowlers. The difference between 8-0 and now is the batting order and look at the batting, how has it come off. Ishant-Zak played in 0-8, Ashwin played in Australia. Only Shami has been the difference.
Unless you try a change of direction you will not know. Cannot just keep them in post on the basis of what if. And it us the captain and coach who are responsible for team results - away from home they have been shocking. Remember it was Dhoni and Flecther who opted out of chasing 80 odd runs at around 4 an over on the WI tour - that just shows how negative their mindset is.

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What if Dhoni resigns, do our bowlers magically become world class under Kohli/Pujara? I don't get why people are after coach/captain every time we lose. Every time we lose its been the bowlers. The difference between 8-0 and now is the batting order and look at the batting, how has it come off. Ishant-Zak played in 0-8, Ashwin played in Australia. Only Shami has been the difference.
Then why we pick ishant always, pankaj is also tall hit the deck bowler(im not from punjab) Actually dhoni and sreeni doesnt care about test cricket. They can make money in ipl and make square turners when teams tour here and say we are no2 test team. I would like dhoni to quit captaincy in tests only let him has just a keeper.

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dhoni will bring in shammi in the ending overs when the batsman try to score some quick runs
Typically defensive captaincy by Dhoni. Rather than trying to take wickets upfront, bowling Fatwin as a defensive bowler and resting Shami for 2.5 hrs. . Shami was the best bowler in the 2nd innings as far as wicket taking ability goes. Stopping runs doesn't win tests.

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Typically defensive captaincy by Dhoni. Rather than trying to take wickets upfront' date=' bowling Fatwin as a defensive bowler and resting Shami for 2.5 hrs. . Shami was the best bowler in the 2nd innings as far as wicket taking ability goes. Stopping runs doesn't win tests.[/quote'] This ashwin is really a spoiler outside subcontinent, but the backups doesnt look good too. The storyline is we cant produce world class fast bowlers or either class spinners. Our bowlers cant get 20 wkts not even a draw!

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This ashwin is really a spoiler outside subcontinent' date=' but the backups doesnt look good too. The storyline is we cant produce world class fast bowlers or either class spinners. Our bowlers cant get 20 wkts not even a draw![/quote'] It is true that we have not got enough strike bowlers to win outside the subcontinent. But I was talking about the approach of attacking upfront vis a vis keeping the attack for later with the couple of strike bowlers we have. Shami, who looked to be the most likely bowler to pick up a wicket in the 2nd innings, could have been used for a 3 over spell in the 2.5 hrs he rested.

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Stop cribbing everyone on this forum would have taken a draw before first ball of this test was bowled. Day 1 was even, India won day 2 & 3, SA won day 4 & 5. What a fantastic game to tough test cricket.

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you have blame the captaincy and Ashwin for this mess. fast bowlers you can understand, if anyone say it is fast bowlers fault they need their heads examined, 3 bowlers sharing so much work load is not humanly possible. Idiotic captaincy was forefront when he gave so many easy runs he had protect runs from the beginning and kill their chances of winning first then go for attack.

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you have blame the captaincy and Ashwin for this mess. fast bowlers you can understand, if anyone say it is fast bowlers fault they need their heads examined, 3 bowlers sharing so much work load is not humanly possible. Idiotic captaincy was forefront when he gave so many easy runs he had protect runs from the beginning and kill their chances of winning first then go for attack.
when they dont attack and go on defensive...they are idiots...when they attack and go for win...they are idiots...just kill them I think this was a great performance from our side...we played very aggressive cricket overall ...which should be very pleasant sight for any fan..

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Got the draw. Now what ? :P
It must be a christmas gift from Saffers, no we gave it to them. Actually im confused, to be satisfied with this draw or feel angry for our inabilities to make a win when everything was in our favour! A series win in SA or Aus has been a long wait which doesnt seem to be ending for once.

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The good thing was that we were aggressive all the way through. The bad thing is the selection. Ashwin needs to go because he didnt score many anyway and zak did better than ashwin. 3 seamers puts lots of pressure on fast bowlers, so we need yadav and fletcher has to make dhoni understand this. Durban is pacy so bring on the pace.

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