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I originally replied to this thread without reading the entire thread. Now after going through all of the posts, I'm not exactly sure what is the point of this thread. Is it about the techniques and nuances that Cricket can learn from Baseball? or Is it about how Baseball is superior to Cricket?
Main thing my desire is that the management technique in this context. Important lessons: (1) captain should not be all important. Strategy should be managers job. For e.g. Dhoni should not have such major vote for selection. Coach and batting coach should select the batsman to avoid Yuvraj fiasco. (2) managers job to decide who should bowl. raina should not have been bowling. Create mismatches, managers job. SL did a better job then India. (3) Detailed plan and bowl for every player. managers job. My gripe stems from that Dhoni is making many arbitrary decisions on the field that need to be stopped. This can be done by the control room and take crucial decision making away from him. This was a winnable world cup and Dhoni lost it for India. This should never happen again. The intent in not cricket vs baseball. Science everyday beats Capt. cools instincts.

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In baseball it is not a surprise.. You know the trajectory well in advance. But in cricket you won't know if the ball suddenly rears off from a good length. Not just head. They can crush your toe. They can hit your box by suddenly jagging the ball back. They can hurt your chest. Whole idea of bodyline series was that only right? In baseball no matter what you do it is still a full toss. Besides cricket ball is heavier. Receiving distance from bowler is slightly less in cricket. It will be even less if the batsman dances down the wicket. Tendulkar practiced from 15 yards before touring Australia. I am surprised you believe baseball is more dangerous than cricket.
Like I said baseball comes much faster and hence hard to avoid. Seriously you did not enjoy the atmosphere in the baseball stadium. How about the hotdogs?

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Show me proof....dont make numbers' date=' Prince Fielder does first base in 4 odd seconds my foot ....[b']WHERE IS THE PROOF?!
Farthest hit documented for baseball is approx 200 meters. Could you kindly give the no for cricket? This is only for shortbread as he is missing the point. Others can ignore it.

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I think even the OP is confused what the thread is about. When i asked him he said that cricket can learn about about management & stuff but started posting how baseball is superior to cricket & more difficult then cricket.
Well this guy always seemed confused to me, the fact even I can debate with him makes me feel as though my IQ level is a bit higher then his. He brings up weird points and doesn't seem to ever give up. Almost as if hes not really reading the context of the other's words. Hence debating with him can be kinda useless. Because in the end of the day if one does not listen and absorb, then there is no point of going in circles.

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Lol Lol' date=' Midfielder this the most ridiculous thread ever[/quote'] He knows absolutely nothing about cricket and thinks baseball is the ideal sport to learn from. A soft ball delivered as a full toss is supposedly hard to hit in his world compared to a bouncer. I don't know why this loser even joined a cricket forum.

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Farthest hit documented for baseball is approx 200 meters. Could you kindly give the no for cricket? This is only for shortbread as he is missing the point. Others can ignore it.
Baseball is way too bouncier than cricket ball. Even I can hit a toy bouncy ball to 300 metres without much effort :giggle:

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He knows absolutely nothing about cricket and thinks baseball is the ideal sport to learn from. A soft ball delivered as a full toss is supposedly hard to hit in his world compared to a bouncer. I don't know why this loser even joined a cricket forum.
Looking at his comments, I think he has taken this show wayy too seriously. [ame]www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHD2ooQ_yOk[/ame] a post I found on reddit sums it up everying. :haha:
Their formula appears to be: take a professional player of American sport, find talentless american nobodies who try to play non-american sport on Sunday afternoons, pretend these 4th-rate clowns who would get their arses handed to them by your average pub team are in fact global superstars, run flashy "comparison" with narration demonstrating your total ignorance of basic principles of the sport in question, wrap yourself in the stars and stripes, masturbate furiously.

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(1) Baseball players dont practise that motion otherwise they would be able to. Bret Lee was throwing ball all his life from the outfield but still was not able to throw it as fast as a high school kid. remember that was a plain throw with no variation and control The baseball pitchers who pitch at 100 mph have lot of control.
Throwing a baseball pitch and throwing from the outfield are not the same motion. There is no real analog to baseball pitches in cricket, so brett lee was a poor test subject. When you throw from the outfield, you go for a parabolic curve. Not a straight one. When you do use a straight line field throw in cricket, its almost always overhead, not side-winder baseball style.
(2) Their body size is optimized for the motions they have to carry on. This is science. Look at the players running between the bases. They will run faster than any repeat any cricket player.
Mate, wtf are you on about ? everyone has to run between bases in baseball, depending on the batting order and dismissals/walks. including the fat guy who is a slugger.
(3) You are cluless and do not understand physical standards. Kohli and Jadega are good but their physical standards are no better than a high school track team. You will not understand this ever.
Err high school track team members are fitter than 99% baseball players.
(4) Are the outfielders heavy? (5) have you ever seen a triple play? (5) have you ever seen any one steal bases? (6) these physical standards are unmatched.
False. Triple play is something that happens in baseball but there is also relay throws in cricket leading to run-outs. Baseball outfielders are jokes compared to cricket outfielders- giant glove is easy to catch with. And their physical standards are bettered by 99% bowlers in cricket. Kohli/Jadeja are fitter than 99% baseball players.

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(1) Cricket ball comes at you slow, it maybe at 95 mph but when it hit the ground it slows quiet a bit. You get more time to react. (2) On baseball there is only drag acting when pitched which barely slows down by 10% when it reaches batter. Cricket ball has drag, imparts energy to ground and then gravity acting against it. Cricket balls may slow down as much as 40% when reaching batsman. (3) Slowdown means lot of reaction time. If anything ground helps the batsman. (4) Cricket ball cannot have the same movement in air as a baseball. Cricket ball has one seam which forces the bowl to deviate to left or right. Baseball has a eight seam and it can do a corkscrew motion and you have to handle all that at warp speed. Cricket ball based on laws of physics cannot do corkscrew. Please grow up. (
there is far less motion possible in baseball than a cricket-ball through the air, because fluid dynamics inherently gives a greater deviation when airflow is disrupted on axial basis (such as in a cricket ball) than a non-axial basis ( baseball). baseball can corkscrew. But it sure cant swing as much as a cricket ball can. because of the axial symetry a cricket ball can dip more in the air than a baseball too.

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there is far less motion possible in baseball than a cricket-ball through the air' date=' because fluid dynamics inherently gives a greater deviation when airflow is disrupted on axial basis (such as in a cricket ball) than a non-axial basis ( baseball). baseball can corkscrew. But it sure cant swing as much as a cricket ball can. because of the axial symetry a cricket ball can dip more in the air than a baseball too.[/quote'] Seam of 8 cuts the air in multiple direction whereas single seam deviates left and right only. There is no equivalent of corkscrew motion in cricket.

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He knows absolutely nothing about cricket and thinks baseball is the ideal sport to learn from. A soft ball delivered as a full toss is supposedly hard to hit in his world compared to a bouncer. I don't know why this loser even joined a cricket forum.
Because I like cricket more. yes baseball is the hardest thing to hit.

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Baseball is way too bouncier than cricket ball. Even I can hit a toy bouncy ball to 300 metres without much effort :giggle:
Not correct. If you take the ratio of size/weight cricket ball is only slightly harder. I will put the numbers down later.

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Throwing a baseball pitch and throwing from the outfield are not the same motion. There is no real analog to baseball pitches in cricket, so brett lee was a poor test subject. When you throw from the outfield, you go for a parabolic curve. Not a straight one. When you do use a straight line field throw in cricket, its almost always overhead, not side-winder baseball style. Mate, wtf are you on about ? everyone has to run between bases in baseball, depending on the batting order and dismissals/walks. including the fat guy who is a slugger. Err high school track team members are fitter than 99% baseball players. False. Triple play is something that happens in baseball but there is also relay throws in cricket leading to run-outs. Baseball outfielders are jokes compared to cricket outfielders- giant glove is easy to catch with. And their physical standards are bettered by 99% bowlers in cricket. Kohli/Jadeja are fitter than 99% baseball players.
Most of the muscle group used in throwing action is the same. Bret Lee was the fastest that is why he was offered an opportunity. Yes the hitters do. Some are fast some are slow but the average speeds are astounding. People who dont make the cut are faster than most of the cricket players. The speed and accuracy of triple play is amazing. This is not personal.

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Because I like cricket more. yes baseball is the hardest thing to hit.
it's becoz baseball batters are swingling blindly to chucking. In cricket, you can touch the ball and do nothing. A cricketer can play baseball without practice. A baseball player can't play cricket without learning the basics. He would crap his pants at the sight of a cannon ball rising from the gound directed at your ribs/box/belly/chest/head.

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Graham Gooch was one of the first cricket player I observed who started taking baseball stance to cut down on reaction time.
Cricket evolved from Test Cricket. You would be an imbecile to take up a baseball stance in a test match. 'Batting' in baseball has one objective - swing hard. Cricket is much more multi-dimensional.

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Cricket evolved from Test Cricket. You would be an imbecile to take up a baseball stance in a test match. 'Batting' in baseball has one objective - swing hard. Cricket is much more multi-dimensional.
+1 Taking a baseball stance is the last thing you shld do in cricket. Cricketers shld stay away from this stupid sport called baseball. They shldn't mix different sports [/thread]

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Got to say shortbread has this one. Sorry Missfielder I think its time you retire from this one. Follow Nball and retire peacefully and gracefully. Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk
reason I didn't post anymore in this tread is there is no point arguing on a cricket board that baseball is more fun. of course it is fruitless. I can argue day and night about the difficulties of putting in the field of play a baseball rather than a cricket ball but you folks wouldn't understand. for you baseball is just hitting a bunch of full tosses. I appreciate midfielder' efforts and agree with him, hitting a baseball into play (not fouls or groundouts) is much much more difficult that hitting a cricket ball into play because of the restrictive rules for the batters in baseball (restricted area of the field, more fielders per area than cricket, faster outfielders, more umpires, gloves, longer fields than cricket). I mean for all purposes you have to love a game to appreciate it. I love baseball and cricket and because I am in America and follow baseball more I love baseball more. cricket was my first love. I cried when india lost, but thesedays because of the MC/BC abusing youth and commercialization + untalented players I don't like it as much. I played some amount of league cricket in usa and let me tell you the ball does not come as fast as a baseball pitch.

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Farthest hit documented for baseball is approx 200 meters.
that Is not true bro. maybe after rolling. but at impact the furthest modern measurement is around 502 ft which is abt 155 meters

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cricket was my first love. I cried when india lost' date=' but thesedays because of the MC/BC abusing youth and commercialization + untalented players I don't like it as much. I played some amount of league cricket in usa and let me tell you the ball does not come as fast as a baseball pitch.[/quote'] Commercialization........enlighten me nballa....is there none in baseball?! Cricket is not perfect...far from it, but please don't tell me baseball is perfect. Steroid abuse is just one of the many issues. Youth abuse in every nation MC/BC or the 'F' word, the only sugar-coated sport left might be chess. Untalented players.......you haven't seen cricket lately...have you?! Or where you refering to the steroid fed hispanics in baseball?! The argument started when dudfielder started claiming baseball is the epitome of fitness, then his nonsense was caught red-handed. Had he said, football, tennis, rugby, I would have agreed plenty of fitness tips to be taken from these sports. Baseball....nope.....the rate at which cricketers are getting fitter each passing season, wont be long before baseball takes notice.

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This thread has become more about cricket vs baseball and it's a no brainer that overall as a sport cricket requires moreskill but the OP is not far off when he says cricket can take things from Baseball... infact it already has and I am not talking about fitness drills and moneyball concepts but things like Throwing from the outfield Slower balls hitting techniques-Gilchrist and recently didn't Rahane say he was adopting some baseball hitting technique working with Amre?

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This thread has become more about cricket vs baseball and it's a no brainer that overall as a sport cricket requires moreskill but the OP is not far off when he says cricket can take things from Baseball... infact it already has and I am not talking about fitness drills and moneyball concepts but things like Throwing from the outfield Slower balls hitting techniques-Gilchrist and recently didn't Rahane say he was adopting some baseball hitting technique working with Amre?
Ashwin has resorted to baseball style hitting. Other day six landed somewhere in the commentary box.

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Seam of 8 cuts the air in multiple direction whereas single seam deviates left and right only. There is no equivalent of corkscrew motion in cricket.
You do not understand fluid dynamics. Yes, cricket does not have spiralling corkscrew motion. Baseball does not have anyehere close to the lateral deviatipn in the air or dip like in cricket. Seam of figure 8 cancels out a lot of the deviations. Axial seam of cricket ball does not Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2

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Most of the muscle group used in throwing action is the same. Bret Lee was the fastest that is why he was offered an opportunity. Yes the hitters do. Some are fast some are slow but the average speeds are astounding. People who dont make the cut are faster than most of the cricket players. The speed and accuracy of triple play is amazing. This is not personal.
Muscle group is irrelevant. We use the same muscle group for running and skating. Does not mean peoficiency at one leads to the other. The fact is, cricketers do not throw the ball as a pitch in baseball so lee is no benchmark. Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2

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You do not understand fluid dynamics. Yes, cricket does not have spiralling corkscrew motion. Baseball does not have anyehere close to the lateral deviatipn in the air or dip like in cricket. Seam of figure 8 cancels out a lot of the deviations. Axial seam of cricket ball does not Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2
Lateral movement is hard to handle a corkscrew is impossible. Seam 8 has lot more variation and turbulence. Straight seam not so much.

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Muscle group is irrelevant. We use the same muscle group for running and skating. Does not mean peoficiency at one leads to the other. The fact is, cricketers do not throw the ball as a pitch in baseball so lee is no benchmark. Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2
Motions are the same. This is not difficult but it is true" A baseball player can play any sport better than other sport player can baseball."

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This thread has become more about cricket vs baseball and it's a no brainer that overall as a sport cricket requires moreskill but the OP is not far off when he says cricket can take things from Baseball... infact it already has and I am not talking about fitness drills and moneyball concepts but things like Throwing from the outfield Slower balls hitting techniques-Gilchrist and recently didn't Rahane say he was adopting some baseball hitting technique working with Amre?
All I am trying to say that people need to learn something from baseball but some folks are reacting as if I have stepped on their peckers.

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it's becoz baseball batters are swingling blindly to chucking. In cricket, you can touch the ball and do nothing. A cricketer can play baseball without practice. A baseball player can't play cricket without learning the basics. He would crap his pants at the sight of a cannon ball rising from the gound directed at your ribs/box/belly/chest/head.
Look at the numbers it is not a cannon ball anymore.

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Cricket evolved from Test Cricket. You would be an imbecile to take up a baseball stance in a test match. 'Batting' in baseball has one objective - swing hard. Cricket is much more multi-dimensional.
I have seen enough test cricket, I will take t20 over test any day.

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reason I didn't post anymore in this tread is there is no point arguing on a cricket board that baseball is more fun. of course it is fruitless. I can argue day and night about the difficulties of putting in the field of play a baseball rather than a cricket ball but you folks wouldn't understand. for you baseball is just hitting a bunch of full tosses. I appreciate midfielder' efforts and agree with him' date=' hitting a baseball into play (not fouls or groundouts) is much much more difficult that hitting a cricket ball into play because of the restrictive rules for the batters in baseball (restricted area of the field, more fielders per area than cricket, faster outfielders, more umpires, gloves, longer fields than cricket). I mean for all purposes you have to love a game to appreciate it. I love baseball and cricket and because I am in America and follow baseball more I love baseball more. cricket was my first love. I cried when india lost, but thesedays because of the MC/BC abusing youth and commercialization + untalented players I don't like it as much. I played some amount of league cricket in usa and let me tell you the ball does not come as fast as a baseball pitch.[/quote'] Half the people dont understand how difficult it is to play baseball, and none of them will understand that not a single indian cricket player can come to close enough of the conditioning of a baseball player.

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Seriously?
Yes.....go to any amusement park that has batting cages,they have speeds upto 70mph on batting cages(atleast the ones I have been to) and I smashed every single ball(great stress buster). 70mph is let's say Stuart Binny pace ,most of us on this forum would not be able to lay bat on ball facing him,even if he bowls gun barrell straight without any swing

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a baseball player pissing his pants at the thought of catching the cricket ball with bare hands, watch final 20 seconds. a4NyzAtRr3s
There is no one in the world who can catch baseball with barehands. It is called deathwish as your hand will split in two. The energy and spin on the ball is so much that human body is not designed for it.

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Yes.....go to any amusement park that has batting cages,they have speeds upto 70mph on batting cages(atleast the ones I have been to) and I smashed every single ball(great stress buster). 70mph is let's say Stuart Binny pace ,most of us on this forum would not be able to lay bat on ball facing him,even if he bowls gun barrell straight without any swing
I disagree.

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I disagree.
Please explain?70 mph with variable bounce off a pitch is not very easy......I am sure the highest level of cricket played here at the minimum school or district level at the maximum and even the fastest bowler there will be not more than 75mph at the most. Playing a guy like Binny would be night mare for most amateurs where as a baseball pitch thrown at relatively high speeds without variation is the easiest thing to hit

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Reaction time is better.
Baseball style hitting is useful when the ball is withint certain range and gun barrel straight. If you adopt to that swinging , seaming ball you will end up getting out or missing it. It is practically not possible to use that techique in cricket. It might work in some scenarios. But it will be a :fail: in lot of scenarios.

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Half the people dont understand how difficult it is to play baseball' date=' and none of them will understand that not a single indian cricket player can come to close enough of the conditioning of a baseball player.[/quote'] I bet none of the baseball player can face even guys like Vinay Kumar, Balaji in the nets let alone Mitchell Johnson.

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There is no one in the world who can catch baseball with barehands. It is called deathwish as your hand will split in two. The energy and spin on the ball is so much that human body is not designed for it.
energy off the bat?but baseball is hardest to hit no?:hmmmm2:

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There is no one in the world who can catch baseball with barehands. It is called deathwish as your hand will split in two. The energy and spin on the ball is so much that human body is not designed for it.
You are making tall claims about baseball. Frankly that is not true. You know it . You know Raman Lamba died from a cricket ball right? Nari contractor lost his eye.

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