Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[vishalvirsingh]

17 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Otherwise, there isn't one reason you play Bumrah your best bowler all 9 games with 3 t20s to come and benches Shami even in a dead rubber.  Shami should have played today.

i also could not understand the logic of playing Bumrah today as it was a dead rubber and Shammi is a great bowler - why the hell is one bowler over stretched , today bumrah did not bowl at his fastest. bhuvi had already slowed down in the last 2 odi's and did not touch even a single ball at 140K , i mean bhuvi is much slower than what he normally can be.

 

i think bumrah and bhuvi has been really over played, when they are seeing shardul also bowling well he could have been played at least in 3 odi's specially when bhuvi was tiring.shardul was accurate and fast and was bowling good effective bouncers.

[vishalvirsingh]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Do you genuinely think he is being dropped for run-up issues   ?

 i think kohli has got angry with Shammi as in one of tests shammi declared in media that he was underbowled in a test. it was ridiculing kohli's captaincy.

[vishalvirsingh]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

Thakur has looked mediocre to me in this match   ... no pace, bounce, height or extra movement.

shardul got a lot of bounce and bcos of the bounce he got so many wickets ..4 wickets. he was pretty impressive except in the first over, please understand this was his first match , if he is played more he will improve further, he got the bounce to kinda come close to the head, rightly directed bouncers @140K is good enough to fetch wickets, he could have got one more but chahal did not go for the catch.

[speedheat]

8 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

 i think kohli has got angry with Shammi as in one of tests shammi declared in media that he was underbowled in a test. it was ridiculing kohli's captaincy.

No those are fictive storys

[Vilander]

4 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

please understand this was his first match

second right, he hit that 148 in a game right ?

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, Vilander said:

second right, he hit that 148 in a game right ?

 

This was Shardul's  3rd ODI

[Vk1]

How good is shardul for tests. He does pick plenty in Ranjis. 

[ind_hyd1]

There was pace bowler veer pratap Singh who used to play for Bengal. Glen McGrath had good words for him,but he hasn't played in any ranji match for the last 3 years. Has he retired due to injury 

[vishalvirsingh]

20 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Thakur did get lots of outswing early on. Pace was 136-140 in first four overs. I would have liked Navdeep Saini here. He is the only ready Pacers at this point and then Khaleel.

This is right reading about shardul. 

He consistently got out swing and bounce.. He got 4 wickets and all were on rising deliveries and he could have got five wickets.. But chahal

[express bowling]

30 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

 He got 4 wickets and all were on rising deliveries 

 

No Vishalbhai ....  2  were off normal height slower balls.

[vishalvirsingh]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

No Vishalbhai ....  2  were off normal height slower balls.

You r right but two were nearly perfect bouncers. 

Secondly he tried intelligent slow ball variations. 

He is not as fast as umesh yadav or Navdeep Saini... But he did a good job in yesterday's match. 

V all have loved express pace of umesh yadav and even Navdeep is touching 144k..thats great but umesh is now no where... Seems he only carried drinks in Africa. 

Even our favorite shammi seems to have leg fitness and run up issues. 

V should appreciate some one who has managed to get 4 African wickets n chahal could have got him his fifth wicket too. 

He was always trying to get wickets and not trying to stop runs. 

Where as hardik bowled well too.. He was trying to stop runs. 

All three pacers were Superb. 

He bowled till 141k..bumrah was faster than shardul upto 144k.

Hardik peaked at 142k n was quick too. 

[vishalvirsingh]

I liked umesh as he was getting wickets.. Giving runs is fine.. One should attack and get wickets. 

But Umesh continued to give 4 balls on leg stump. 

Then he reduced his pace suddenly to 135 to 141k.

Only thing that he had in his kitty was 138 to 148k sheer pace.. Pace like lightning but he reduced it.. Result his inaccuracies remained but his wicket taking ability went down. 

He has to come back to 138 to 148k pace.. He was faster than bumrah and shammi but now bumrah is faster and his place in test team is taken away by bumrah. 

Even unlucky Ishant is ahead of him. 

He is messing up with his serious talent. 

[vishalvirsingh]

4 hours ago, sarchasm said:

Truthfully, Shardul looked strictly like Vinay Kumar Ver. 2 in this match. There 8-9 candidates in domestics who are superior to him in every fast bowling metrics.

Vinay was a 115 to 131k trundler.... He would have got loads of wickets if he played in Africa just like the African test swing bowler but on flattish tracks.. He was too slow for good wickets. 

 

How he failed in Perth is a mystery. 

He under performed and that's why he was kicked out. 

Even pan Kaj Singh underperformed and was kicked out immediately. 

Shardul is way faster than Vinay but I agree Navdeep Saini is better than shardul. 

[express bowling]

24 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

You r right but two were nearly perfect bouncers. 

Secondly he tried intelligent slow ball variations. 

He is not as fast as umesh yadav or Navdeep Saini... But he did a good job in yesterday's match. 

V all have loved express pace of umesh yadav and even Navdeep is touching 144k..thats great but umesh is now no where... Seems he only carried drinks in Africa. 

Even our favorite shammi seems to have leg fitness and run up issues. 

V should appreciate some one who has managed to get 4 African wickets n chahal could have got him his fifth wicket too. 

He was always trying to get wickets and not trying to stop runs. 

Where as hardik bowled well too.. He was trying to stop runs. 

All three pacers were Superb. 

He bowled till 141k..bumrah was faster than shardul upto 144k.

Hardik peaked at 142k n was quick too. 

 

Vishalbhai ... We have quite a few uncapped pacers now who are combining genuine pace with skills , are taller than 6' and are taking wickets.   Saini and Khaleel come to mind first.   Saini is ready and Khaleel may become so within a short time.

 

Shardul is a decent bowler  ...  but short pacers are usually easier to hit unless amazingly accurate or very quick ... and Shardul is neither.

 

I would like to try Saini first .... then Khaleel and Avesh.   Thampi, Rajpoot  and Siraj need to be looked at too.

 

 

Edited February 17, 2018 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Vishalbhai ... We have quite a few uncapped pacers now who are combining genuine pace with skills , are taller than 6' and are taking wickets.   Saini and Khaleel come to mind first.   Saini is ready and Khaleel may become so within a short time.

 

Shardul is a decent bowler  ...  but short pacers are usually easier to hit unless amazingly accurate or very quick ... and Shardul is neither.

 

I would like to try Saini first .... then Khaleel and Avesh.   Thampi, Rajpoot  and Siraj need to be looked at too.

 

 

And Khejroliya too. He has really been doing well in VH trophy. I would first try Saini and Khaleel. I am inclined more towards Khaleel. He has all variations for LOI cricket and good temperament too.

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

And Khejroliya too. He has really been doing well in VH trophy. I would first try Saini and Khaleel. I am inclined more towards Khaleel. He has all variations for LOI cricket and good temperament too.

 

Yes ... Khejroliya is around 6'2", bowls a heavy ball, has a good yorker and slower ball and is picking wickets for fun in the shorter formats.  Would be a tough bowler to negotiate.

 

Waiting for the time when Saini and Khaleel will be tried.

 

 

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Yes ... Khejroliya is around 6'2", bowls a heavy ball, has a good yorker and slower ball and is picking wickets for fun in the shorter formats.  Would be a tough bowler to negotiate.

 

Waiting for the time when Saini and Khaleel will be tried.

 

 

Khejroliya is only going to get quicker once he comes in India setup and follows the strength training regimen of Indian team at NCA. 

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Khejroliya is only going to get quicker once he comes in India setup and follows the strength training regimen of Indian team at NCA. 

 

Yes.

 

And needs to sort out rhythm issues.

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Khejroliya is only going to get quicker once he comes in India setup and follows the strength training regimen of Indian team at NCA. 

 

Most Indian pacers have.

 

I wonder why Shardul is bowling at his original pace even after spending so much time with Team India.

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Most Indian pacers have.

 

I wonder why Shardul is bowling at his original pace even after spending so much time with Team India.

Shardul isn't fit enough. He has weight issues.