rkt.india Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, express bowling said: Why the * is Shami being completely ignored in ODIs !! The guy averages 25 ! Because he isn't probably the same shami. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, Mosher said: Shardul got a bit of outswing early on but his length was on the shorter side and bowled pretty wide too. Didn't make use of that movement. Can understand with him playing his first game. Link to comment
Vk1 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, express bowling said: Why the * is Shami being completely ignored in ODIs !! The guy averages 25 ! Also has a very good wickets per match ratio. express bowling 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Because he isn't probably the same shami. On the one hand, we have Manoj Tiwary making him bowl 30 overs a day on the other hand, Team India wraps him in cotton wool You won't get the same Shami Mosher 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, express bowling said: On the one hand, we have Manoj Tiwary making him bowl 30 overs a day on the other hand, Team India wraps him in cotton wool You won't get the same Shami I believe he needs to sort his run-up out asap. His run-up is inconsistent and makes him highly unreliable. I will never play such bowler who isn't confident about his run-up. Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, rkt.india said: I believe he needs to sort his run-up out asap. His run-up is inconsistent and makes him highly unreliable. I will never play such bowler who isn't confident about his run-up. Seeing run-up problem only in this series Not a regular in ODIs for a long time. Why playing tests if there is arun-up problem ? I am sure the real reason is something else. Edited February 16, 2018 by express bowling Mosher 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) SA seamers bowling too many long hops at medium pace ... and getting hit for 4s. Need to pitch the ball up, at their pace. Edited February 16, 2018 by express bowling Rightarmfast and Mosher 1 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, express bowling said: Seeing run-up problem only in this series Not a regular in ODIs for a long time. Why playing tests if there is arun-up problem ? I am sure the real reason is something else. It was the same problem against SL, it was same in Ranji trophy, it was same in Test series here. So it has been a consistent problem over a period of time. Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, rkt.india said: It was the same problem against SL, it was same in Ranji trophy, it was same in Test series here. So it has been a consistent problem over a period of time. Do you genuinely think he is being dropped for run-up issues ? Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, express bowling said: Do you genuinely think he is being dropped for run-up issues ? Yes, he is dropped because of inconsistency that is stemming from his run-up. Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Yes, he is dropped because of inconsistency that is stemming from his run-up. So, why is he playing tests ? speedheat and Mosher 2 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, express bowling said: So, why is he playing tests ? Tests are different. You can come back after a bad spell like he did in test series. You can take a spell to get your rhythm going. In ODIs, you will have to be on the mark from over one. If there was any other reason, he would not have been picked. Edited February 16, 2018 by rkt.india swastikpanda2 1 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Tests are different. You can come back after a bad spell like he did in test series. You can take a spell to get your rhythm going. In ODIs, you will have to be on the mark from over one. If there was any other reason, he would not have been picked. I dont mean to be rude, but your logic is beyond laughable. I dont even have to assume that you are not from a sports background. I am! Thats not how sports work. If anything, Shami doesnt have a surprise package for the selectors. They already know his worth and are aware of his fitness issue. If they have to, they will pick him for World Cup straightaway. Till then, they have the liberty of trying out others. In tests, its different. They need their best bowler! Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: I dont mean to be rude, but your logic is beyond laughable. I dont even have to assume that you are not from a sports background. I am! Thats not how sports work. If anything, Shami doesnt have a surprise package for the selectors. They already know his worth and are aware of his fitness issue. If they have to, they will pick him for World Cup straightaway. Till then, they have the liberty of trying out others. In tests, its different. They need their best bowler! Shami already is in ODI squad, so, your argument is flawed. You need to read the whole discussion and understand what we were talking about. Regarding sports background, I have played cricket since the age of 10. My brother has played national level and has played with several Ranji cricketers. Ours is one of oldest cricket club here. And things don't work like you are saying. You don't play someone in a big tournament who hasn't ODIs in a while. You think they suddenly bring back Ashwin and Jadeja in World Cup. Shami at the moment is highly inconsistent since his come back. I believe Kohli doesn't see him as an ODI bowler anymore. Edited February 16, 2018 by rkt.india Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 54 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Tests are different. You can come back after a bad spell like he did in test series. You can take a spell to get your rhythm going. In ODIs, you will have to be on the mark from over one. If there was any other reason, he would not have been picked. Not so simple buddy ! Test matchesin in SA carry a lot of weight. I don't think the Team management would not have played him in such important tests if they thought that he was having issues with his run-up. My impression ... our team management thinks that Shami needs to be preserved for test matches only, given his fitness issues.... I don't agree. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, express bowling said: Not so simple buddy ! Test matchesin in SA carry a lot of weight. I don't think the Team management would not have played him in such important tests if they thought that he was having issues with his run-up. My impression ... our team management thinks that Shami needs to be preserved for test matches only, given his fitness issues.... I don't agree. Your reason is also simple though that may be the case too. Its not unthinkable but if that was the sole reason, they wouldn't have picked him for ODI squad. Instead some youngster would have been picked. Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Your reason is also simple though that may be the case too. Its not unthinkable but if that was the sole reason, they wouldn't have picked him for ODI squad. Instead some youngster would have been picked. My impression is simple but the reasons leading to that may not be. Shami getting picked in ODIs maybe a result of this team's reluctance to try new guys. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, express bowling said: My impression is simple but the reasons leading to that may not be. Shami getting picked in ODIs maybe a result of this team's reluctance to try new guys. I don't think team management thinks about about their own decisions as deeply as we do about theirs. Edited February 16, 2018 by rkt.india Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, rkt.india said: I don't think team management thinks about about their own decisions as deeply as we do about theirs. Emotions of team management about something, ( akin to reasons leading to decisions ) are similar. Edited February 16, 2018 by express bowling Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, express bowling said: Emotions about something, ( akin to reasons leading to decisions ) are similar. Otherwise, there isn't one reason you play Bumrah your best bowler all 9 games with 3 t20s to come and benches Shami even in a dead rubber. Shami should have played today. Link to comment
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