rkt.india Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Rajpoot is younger and I am hopeful he can still gain pace in next two years. Aniket at Rajpoot's age was bowling 127-135 in Ranji trophy. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Both Rajpoot and Sayan Ghosh lack that momentum, forward leap towards the crease, reason they are losing some pace. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 22 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: sayan looks soft as well just like vignesh,so pace goes down,i remember chameera used to be very similar to sayan during slpl,ppl like sayan vignesh etc will be left in ranji setup so it is difficult to see them improve . his pace was consistently good today. Link to comment
Vilander Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Couple of good articles. Srinath Pace : Already shared but just linking it. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/111878.html Blog post on Speed gun rebuttal. Why speed gun readings are not the real pace the batsman feels. Has a few nice links in the post. http://giffenman-miscellania.blogspot.ca/2014/01/the-speed-gun-myth.html Mosher, express bowling and Rightarmfast 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 15, 2017 Author Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Vilander said: Couple of good articles. Srinath Pace : Already shared but just linking it. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/111878.html Blog post on Speed gun rebuttal. Why speed gun readings are not the real pace the batsman feels. Has a few nice links in the post. http://giffenman-miscellania.blogspot.ca/2014/01/the-speed-gun-myth.html Thanks for sharing. Both articles are excellent reads although I have read them both earlier. The 2nd article has said that some bowlers seem faster than their release speeds ( measured by speed guns ) because they force the batsmen to make late adjustments when the ball in not quite where they expect it to be ......... and outlined 2 factors that lead to that. They are ( a ) the ball hitting the bat slightly higher than expected and ( b ) the bowler having an unusual action that prevents the batsman from sighting the ball earlier There are other factors as well and they include ( c ) McGrath was saying in an interview that he used to put top-spin on the ball and got twice the revs than most pacers...which resulted in him getting the extra zip and bounce off the deck. He also outlined that swing bowlers often put underspin on the ball that takes away the zip and bounce off the deck. Factor a) could be due to factor c) too and also due to other factors like height of a pacer or / and hitting the deck hard Edited February 15, 2017 by express bowling Rightarmfast, Mosher and Vilander 3 Link to comment
Bleed-Blue Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 9 hours ago, express bowling said: Quickest deliveries I have seen in SMA Trophy so far Thampi 145 k Sangwan 145 k Aniket 144 k Warrier 141 k Shardul 140 k Dinda 140 k Rajpoot 139 k Sayan 139 k Gony 139 k I saw Rajpoot hit 141 kph once or twice. Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 15, 2017 Author Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bleed-Blue said: I saw Rajpoot hit 141 kph once or twice. Ok, in which match ? ....as I said in that post...these are the speeds that I have seen....and I have watched most deliveries of the quicker bowlers. May have missed that particular delivery by Rajpoot : ) Edited February 15, 2017 by express bowling Link to comment
Bleed-Blue Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 30 minutes ago, express bowling said: Ok, in which match ? ....as I said in that post...these are the speeds that I have seen....and I have watched most deliveries of the quicker bowlers. May have missed that particular delivery by Rajpoot : ) Yh no worries i think it was the match against east zone. Link to comment
Pollack Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, express bowling said: Thanks for sharing. Both articles are excellent reads although I have read them both earlier. The 2nd article has said that some bowlers seem faster than their release speeds ( measured by speed guns ) because they force the batsmen to make late adjustments when the ball in not quite where they expect it to be ......... and outlined 2 factors that lead to that. They are ( a ) the ball hitting the bat slightly higher than expected and ( b ) the bowler having an unusual action that prevents the batsman from sighting the ball earlier There are other factors as well and they include ( c ) McGrath was saying in an interview that he used to put top-spin on the ball and got twice the revs than most pacers...which resulted in him getting the extra zip and bounce off the deck. He also outlined that swing bowlers often put underspin on the ball that takes away the zip and bounce off the deck. Factor a) could be due to factor c) too and also due to other factors like height of a pacer or / and hitting the deck hard Pace bowler imparting top spin? Can you link me to the interview if you can. One aspect of top spin is to bowl it without varying the speed(in air) as against your normal under spin. I dont see how pacers can do that. Also interested in complete biomechanics(most importantly grip against normal grip to do that!)involved. Edited February 15, 2017 by Pollack Link to comment
ShebbySB Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 It's good to see apart from our intl seamers like Shami,Umesh,Ishant,BK,Bumrah and Hardik we have some decent back ups in Aaron,Shardul,Aniket,Sangwan and also some young upcoming bowlers in Thampi,Ankit, Warrier etc.I'd like to see Shukla,Avesh,Suyal back in actions.All over the pace bowling standard in the country is coming up.Heartening to see this... Link to comment
Pollack Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) @express bowling May be he was talking of Seam upright for seamers(pitching it top of seam) and seam angle for swing bowler(pitching it under seam) and not top spin. Edited February 15, 2017 by Pollack Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 8 hours ago, Vilander said: Couple of good articles. Srinath Pace : Already shared but just linking it. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/111878.html Blog post on Speed gun rebuttal. Why speed gun readings are not the real pace the batsman feels. Has a few nice links in the post. http://giffenman-miscellania.blogspot.ca/2014/01/the-speed-gun-myth.html The same Eddie Smith I was talking about earlier. I connected to him in late 99, early 2000 and eversince we have been in good terms. When other Indians didnt rate Srinath, this Aussie guy has always maintained that Srinath was one of the fastest in the world. He officially used to keep record of speeds for Cricket Australia, so his words have mettle. A great guy! Vilander and vishalvirsingh 2 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 So I guess even now, Bihar is officially not a member of BCCI? Rather, doesnt come under BCCI? That's sad because I know for a fact that there are a few genuine fast bowlers in Bihar. Even in 90's, when we only had Srinath, There was Bihari guy called Sunil ( I think ), who was clocking in excess of 150kph. Never got any recognition! express bowling and Mosher 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Pollack said: Pace bowler imparting top spin? Can you link me to the interview if you can. One aspect of top spin is to bowl it without varying the speed(in air) as against your normal under spin. I dont see how pacers can do that. Also interested in complete biomechanics(most importantly grip against normal grip to do that!)involved. It is an interview which comes on TV often in one of the Star Sports channels and McGrath's release is showcased in slow-motion too, where his ring and little fingers roll over the ball at the time of release from his standard grip. It became easier for him as he was a very tall bowler with a very high arm-action and hit the deck at a very steep trajectory. It won't be easy for shorter bowlers or a bowler who has a release point which is not from the top. Edited February 16, 2017 by express bowling Mosher, Rightarmfast, tweaker and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 33 minutes ago, express bowling said: It is an interview which comes on TV often in one of the Star Sports channels and McGrath's release is showcased in slow-motion too, where his ring and little fingers roll over the ball at the time of release from his standard grip. It became easier for him as he was a very tall bowler with a very high arm-action and hit the deck at a very steep trajectory. It won't be easy for shorter bowlers or a bowler who does not have a release point which is not from the top. A tall bowler, but someone with a large palm can do that better I suppose. Pollack and express bowling 2 Link to comment
Pollack Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 3 hours ago, express bowling said: It is an interview which comes on TV often in one of the Star Sports channels and McGrath's release is showcased in slow-motion too, where his ring and little fingers roll over the ball at the time of release from his standard grip. It became easier for him as he was a very tall bowler with a very high arm-action and hit the deck at a very steep trajectory. It won't be easy for shorter bowlers or a bowler who has a release point which is not from the top. Yes. His height and high arm release was also the reason for the nip he used to get of the pitch and hurried the batsman. express bowling 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) Sangwan today in SMA trophy first 2 overs Fastest 146 k.... average 142 k Edited February 16, 2017 by express bowling MK55, Rightarmfast, speedheat and 2 others 5 Link to comment
ShebbySB Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) 5 Fastest Indian pacers right now ranked by pace only:- Aaron Umesh Sangwan Thampi Shami Some of the bowlers like Ishant,Bumrah,Aniket,Hardik,Rahul Shukla,Warrier,Rajpoot,Nathu, Siraj,Shardul can also cross 140 k mark.Good days... Our slowest Intl. bowler is BK even he can bowl 138-142 k at his fastest. Edited February 16, 2017 by ShebbySB speedheat and Rightarmfast 2 Link to comment
speedheat Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Sangwan today in SMA trophy first 2 overs Fastest 146 k.... average 142 k Gosh!! on which channel its is telecasted?? Link to comment
Vilander Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 4 hours ago, express bowling said: Sangwan today in SMA trophy first 2 overs Fastest 146 k.... average 142 k but is he doing well in current game, he was not doing that good against East zone right. Link to comment
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