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9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

What speed ranges have Bumrah and Shardul bowled at  ?

 

Missed the first 8 overs.

Shardul mostly 133ish and fastest at 140. Bumrah clocked 145. The SA commentators were saying they were pretty impressed by Bumrahs pace coz he was consistently bowling above 140.

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Shardul to me is mediocre, nothing special about him, bowls around mid 130, similar to Mohit, Awana .India needs to get in Saini, Khalil, Ankit, Sangwan, Aniket.

Impressed with Pandya who created probkems for batters n bowed with pace around 140s, accurate n changed his length n pace well, far bwtter thwn Thakur, who dis get wkts but were 2 great catches n one edge down the legside.

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How many of you heard this gem from Sanju Manju  ?

 

I just switched on the TV   ...   It was the 10th over ... Shardul was bowling 129 k to 136 k

 

Manju says, " Shardul has pace in the air   (  he will talk about the Mumbai connection shortly  ).      Now, you don't see pace in the air from Indian pacers  (  I guess  Umesh, Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Aaron all look like foreigners , looking through his semen covered eyes .  )      It is more a Pakistani thing  "  (  as Manju fantasizes about Imran Khan's " thing "  ) 

 

@sarchasm  might remember ...  the person in his DP,  Peter of Family Guy  was a salesman selling " Butt-scratchers " in a sports stadium.  Manju can buy them and use them to scratch himself anywhere he wants ... the contraption will be aptly used  !

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9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

How many of you heard this gem from Sanju Manju  ?

 

I just switched on the TV   ...   It was the 10th over ... Shardul was bowling 129 k to 136 k

 

Manju says, " Shardul has pace in the air   (  he will talk about the Mumbai connection shortly  ).      Now, you don't see pace in the air from Indian pacers  (  I guess  Umesh, Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Aaron all look like foreigners , looking through his semen covered eyes .  )      It is more a Pakistani thing  (  as Manju fantasizes about Imran Khan's " thing "  ) 

 

@sarchasm  might remember ...  the person in his DP,  Peter of Family Guy  was a salesman selling " Butt-scratchers " in a sports stadium.  Manju can buy them and use them to scratch himself anywhere he wants ... the contraption will be aptly used  !

:rofl: 

Bro Sanju reminds me of that creepy old pervert from Family Guy :phehe: 

 

 

 

 

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41 minutes ago, dandaroy said:

This Bumrah is what I call a genuine fast bowler India had played. Almost constantly bowling > 140k. And since he bangs the ball in, he looks skiddier than the speed suggests!

Amazing thing is his ability to bowl at this pace after playing his debut test series. Outstanding from him. When he first played the T20 series in Australia some have wondered if he will be fit enough to play odis consistently. He has come a long long way. Flag bearer of the New Era of Indian fast bowlers 

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39 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Thakur has looked mediocre to me in this match   ... no pace, bounce, height or extra movement.

Thakur did get lots of outswing early on. Pace was 136-140 in first four overs. I would have liked Navdeep Saini here. He is the only ready Pacers at this point and then Khaleel.

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3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Thakur did get lots of outswing early on. Pace was 136-140 in first four overs. I would have liked Navdeep Saini here. He is the only ready Pacers at this point and then Khaleel.

Shardul got a bit of outswing early on but his length was on the shorter side and bowled pretty wide too. Didn't make use of that movement.

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5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

 I would have liked Navdeep Saini here. He is the only ready Pacers at this point and then Khaleel.

 

Yes

 

We must choose the best international prospects and not the best pre-international performers.

 

We need a tall  /  talli-ish pacer with pace, bounce  and skills.

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52 minutes ago, express bowling said:

How many of you heard this gem from Sanju Manju  ?

 

I just switched on the TV   ...   It was the 10th over ... Shardul was bowling 129 k to 136 k

 

Manju says, " Shardul has pace in the air   (  he will talk about the Mumbai connection shortly  ).      Now, you don't see pace in the air from Indian pacers  (  I guess  Umesh, Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Aaron all look like foreigners , looking through his semen covered eyes .  )      It is more a Pakistani thing  (  as Manju fantasizes about Imran Khan's " thing "  ) 

 

@sarchasm  might remember ...  the person in his DP,  Peter of Family Guy  was a salesman selling " Butt-scratchers " in a sports stadium.  Manju can buy them and use them to scratch himself anywhere he wants ... the contraption will be aptly used  !

Deadly.

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16 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Shardul got a bit of outswing early on but his length was on the shorter side and bowled pretty wide too. Didn't make use of that movement.

Can understand with him playing his first game. 

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8 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

On the one hand, we have Manoj Tiwary making him bowl 30 overs a day

 

on the other hand, Team India wraps him in cotton wool

 

You won't get the same Shami

I believe he needs to sort his run-up out asap. His run-up is inconsistent and makes him highly unreliable. I will never play such bowler who isn't confident about his run-up.

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15 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

I believe he needs to sort his run-up out asap. His run-up is inconsistent and makes him highly unreliable. I will never play such bowler who isn't confident about his run-up.

 

Seeing run-up problem only in this series

 

Not a regular in ODIs for a long time.

 

Why playing tests if there is arun-up problem   ?

 

I am sure the real reason is something else.

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7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Seeing run-up problem only in this series

 

Not a regular in ODIs for a long time.

 

Why playing tests if there is arun-up problem   ?

 

I am sure the real reason is something else.

It was the same problem against SL, it was same in Ranji trophy, it was same in Test series here.  So it has been a consistent problem over a period of time.

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3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

So, why is he playing tests  ?

Tests are different. You can come back after a bad spell like he did in test series. You can take a spell to get your rhythm going. In ODIs, you will have to be on the mark from over one. If there was any other reason, he would not have been picked.

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30 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Tests are different. You can come back after a bad spell like he did in test series. You can take a spell to get your rhythm going. In ODIs, you will have to be on the mark from over one. If there was any other reason, he would not have been picked.

I dont mean to be rude, but your logic is beyond laughable. I dont even have to assume that you are not from a sports background. I am! Thats not how sports work. If anything, Shami doesnt have a surprise package for the selectors. They already know his worth and are aware of his fitness issue. If they have to, they will pick him for World Cup straightaway. Till then, they have the liberty of trying out others. In tests, its different. They need their best bowler!

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19 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

I dont mean to be rude, but your logic is beyond laughable. I dont even have to assume that you are not from a sports background. I am! Thats not how sports work. If anything, Shami doesnt have a surprise package for the selectors. They already know his worth and are aware of his fitness issue. If they have to, they will pick him for World Cup straightaway. Till then, they have the liberty of trying out others. In tests, its different. They need their best bowler!

Shami already is in ODI squad, so, your argument is flawed. You need to read the whole discussion and understand what we were talking about. Regarding sports background, I have played cricket since the age of 10. My brother has played national level and has played with several Ranji cricketers. Ours is one of oldest cricket club here. And things don't work like you are saying. You don't play someone in a big tournament who hasn't ODIs in a while. You think they suddenly bring back Ashwin and Jadeja in World Cup. Shami at the moment is highly inconsistent since his come back.  I believe Kohli doesn't see him as an ODI bowler anymore.

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54 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Tests are different. You can come back after a bad spell like he did in test series. You can take a spell to get your rhythm going. In ODIs, you will have to be on the mark from over one. If there was any other reason, he would not have been picked.

 

Not so simple buddy  !

 

Test matchesin in SA carry a lot of weight.

 

I don't think the Team management would not have played him in such important tests if they thought that he was having issues with his run-up.

 

My impression ... our team management thinks that Shami needs to be preserved for test matches only, given his fitness issues....  I don't agree.

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5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Not so simple buddy  !

 

Test matchesin in SA carry a lot of weight.

 

I don't think the Team management would not have played him in such important tests if they thought that he was having issues with his run-up.

 

My impression ... our team management thinks that Shami needs to be preserved for test matches only, given his fitness issues....  I don't agree.

Your reason is also simple though that may be the case too. Its not unthinkable but if that was the sole reason, they wouldn't have picked him for ODI squad. Instead some youngster would have been picked.

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4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Your reason is also simple though that may be the case too. Its not unthinkable but if that was the sole reason, they wouldn't have picked him for ODI squad. Instead some youngster would have been picked.

 

 

My impression is simple but the reasons leading to that may not be.

 

Shami getting picked in ODIs maybe a result of this team's reluctance to try new guys.

 

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2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

My impression is simple but the reasons leading to that may not be.

 

Shami getting picked in ODIs maybe a result of this team's reluctance to try new guys.

 

I don't think team management thinks about about their own decisions as deeply as we do about theirs.

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Just now, express bowling said:

 

Emotions about something, (  akin to reasons leading to decisions )  are  similar.

Otherwise, there isn't one reason you play Bumrah your best bowler all 9 games with 3 t20s to come and benches Shami even in a dead rubber.  Shami should have played today.

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6 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

What speed ranges have Bumrah and Shardul bowled at  ?

 

Missed the first 8 overs.

bumrah was till 143k and shardul  from 135 to 141k but many balls were bowled at 140k.

 

Bumrah was very fast as usual.

but shardul got serious bounce from the pitch and he created at least 2 more opportunities , chahal actually did not go for one easy catch opportunity. highlight of shardul's bowling was that shardul always looked to take wickets and africans thought bumrah was too tough and they tried to attack shardul and all their important batsman were taken by shardul.

he was bad in the first over as he started slowly but suddenly he picket up speed and bowled from 133 to 141+ with a lot of bouncers. its not just bouncers but also the line of bouncers close to the head of the batsman that fetched shardul wickets.

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17 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Otherwise, there isn't one reason you play Bumrah your best bowler all 9 games with 3 t20s to come and benches Shami even in a dead rubber.  Shami should have played today.

i also could not understand the logic of playing Bumrah today as it was a dead rubber and Shammi is a great bowler - why the hell is one bowler over stretched , today bumrah did not bowl at his fastest. bhuvi had already slowed down in the last 2 odi's and did not touch even a single ball at 140K , i mean bhuvi is much slower than what he normally can be.

 

i think bumrah and bhuvi has been really over played, when they are seeing shardul also bowling well he could have been played at least in 3 odi's specially when bhuvi was tiring.shardul was accurate and fast and was bowling good effective bouncers.

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2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Do you genuinely think he is being dropped for run-up issues   ?

 i think kohli has got angry with Shammi as in one of tests shammi declared in media that he was underbowled in a test. it was ridiculing kohli's captaincy.

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4 hours ago, express bowling said:

Thakur has looked mediocre to me in this match   ... no pace, bounce, height or extra movement.

shardul got a lot of bounce and bcos of the bounce he got so many wickets ..4 wickets. he was pretty impressive except in the first over, please understand this was his first match , if he is played more he will improve further, he got the bounce to kinda come close to the head, rightly directed bouncers @140K is good enough to fetch wickets, he could have got one more but chahal did not go for the catch.

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8 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

 i think kohli has got angry with Shammi as in one of tests shammi declared in media that he was underbowled in a test. it was ridiculing kohli's captaincy.

No those are fictive storys

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