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Umesh bowled a great first spell of 6 overs in the Deodhar Trophy.

 

Most devilries between off stump and 5th stump ...  most of them moving away but some came in ... hit the deck hard and got good bounce from length deliveries.

 

Needs to stick to this.

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Umesh bowled a great first spell of 6 overs in the Deodhar Trophy.

 

Most devilries between off stump and 5th stump ...  most of them moving away but some came in ... hit the deck hard and got good bounce from length deliveries.

 

Needs to stick to this.

since it's ummi, he will return to being a spraygun soon enough.

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Khaleel bowled really well today

 

10 -0 - 49 - 3   in a final match, showcasing his temperament.

 

Bowled in good areas.

 

Pace was ok, but he bowled quicker in earlier games.   Needs to become consistent regarding bowling  high pace.

 

Was getting movement.

 

One improvement needed -- he needs to improve his seam position, ball release and wrist whip.

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Khaleel bowled really well today

 

10 -0 - 49 - 3   in a final match, showcasing his temperament.

 

Bowled in good areas.

 

Pace was ok, but he bowled quicker in earlier games.   Needs to become consistent regarding bowling  high pace.

 

Was getting movement.

 

One improvement needed -- he needs to improve his seam position, ball release and wrist whip.

 

 

 

 

how was prasidh? saw that he was wicketless.

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4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Saw the highlights

Mahmdullah wkt ball by shankar showed the speed of 143k, didnt look like 140+ delivery at all 

the speed guns seems suspicious. the Bangladesh pacers were all able to touch 140 (or above) and I'm not convinced that they can attain such speeds apart from Taskin. Fizz can attain such speeds but he's coming off an injury and has been slower (at least visually) since then.

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10 minutes ago, Vijy said:

the speed guns seems suspicious. the Bangladesh pacers were all able to touch 140 (or above) 

 

Among Bangla pacers, only the Fizz bowled a solidary delivery at 140 k +  (  142.5 k  )

 

Fastest

Rubel     139.9 k

Taskin    137.1 k

 

http://www.bcci.tv/sri-lanka-tri-series-2018/match/02

 

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11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Among Bangla pacers, only the Fizz bowled a solidary delivery at 140 k +  (  142.5 k  )

 

Fastest

Rubel     139.9 k

Taskin    137.1 k

 

http://www.bcci.tv/sri-lanka-tri-series-2018/match/02

 

I thought I saw taskin cross 140 (must have been fizz then I guess). somehow, that 142 kmph ball by shankar didn't feel so fast to me; atleast, it didn't appear so on the screen (I know looks can be deceiving).

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Some experts here, after watching the last SA vs Aus test commented that our fast bowlers lacked in skill and couldnt push SA. Want to remind them what happened today. The Aussie bowlers let the Saffers get away and get a lead of 139, when they could have bundled them out for less than Aussies score! 

Does that make Aussie bowlers any poorer? No! Its cricket, power shifts happen. Momentum keeps changing. 

Some posters had knee jerk reactions like changing the pacers altogether!

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Just now, Rightarmfast said:

Some experts here, after watching the last SA vs Aus test commented that our fast bowlers lacked in skill and couldnt push SA. Want to remind them what happened today. The Aussie bowlers let the Saffers get away and get a lead of 139, when they could have bundled them out for less than Aussies score! 

Does that make Aussie bowlers any poorer? No! Its cricket, power shifts happen. Momentum keeps changing. 

Some posters had knee jerk reactions like changing the pacers altogether!

The pitches are different, because SA actually fear Aussie bowlers. They don't fear Indian bowlers. 

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3 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

The pitches are different, because SA actually fear Aussie bowlers. They don't fear Indian bowlers. 

Wrong! They didnt fear Indian bowlers before they landed in SA. Ask them today, and they will think thrice before taking Indian fast bowlers lightly. The pitches could be different, still doesnt mean its not assisting fast bowlers. Such pitches anyway are good for reverse swing which Starc thrives upon. So, I dont buy that logic of pitches being different and hence Aussies not being able to take wickets.

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3 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Wrong! They didnt fear Indian bowlers before they landed in SA. Ask them today, and they will think thrice before taking Indian fast bowlers lightly. The pitches could be different, still doesnt mean its not assisting fast bowlers. Such pitches anyway are good for reverse swing which Starc thrives upon. So, I dont buy that logic of pitches being different and hence Aussies not being able to take wickets.

Whatever you say, it is stupidity to deny that Aussies bowlers reach human heights of skill. Not McGrath levels of skill, but the maximum human height of fast bowling skill. It is stupidity to compare Indian bowlers. 

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3 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

Whatever you say, it is stupidity to deny that Aussies bowlers reach human heights of skill. Not McGrath levels of skill, but the maximum human height of fast bowling skill. It is stupidity to compare Indian bowlers. 

Yet to see a single Aussie bowler with half the skills of Wasim Akram. So, naah, I disagree on this part too. And I do not intend to compare Indian bowlers to Aussie bowlers at all. For a bowling unit without any real hero or mentor, is ahead of Aussie attack anyday!

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2 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Yet to see a single Aussie bowler with half the skills of Wasim Akram. So, naah, I disagree on this part too. And I do not intend to compare Indian bowlers to Aussie bowlers at all. For a bowling unit without any real hero or mentor, is ahead of Aussie attack anyday!

Wasim Akram was as good, with a good human level of skill.

 

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1 hour ago, lamellavig said:

Whatever you say, it is stupidity to deny that Aussies bowlers reach human heights of skill. Not McGrath levels of skill, but the maximum human height of fast bowling skill. It is stupidity to compare Indian bowlers. 

dont you mean pakistan bowlers..

 

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1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said:

I like Shankar. I am afraid, I might start preferring him over Pandya.

brother ...i feel exactly the opposite- Pandya is miles ahead in bowling of Shankar.

i am not sure about Batting...., vijay could be better than pandya as a batsman but we need an all rounder who should be able to bowl genuine good medium pace to be called genuine all rounder.

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15 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

brother ...i feel exactly the opposite- Pandya is miles ahead in bowling of Shankar.

i am not sure about Batting...., vijay could be better than pandya as a batsman but we need an all rounder who should be able to bowl genuine good medium pace to be called genuine all rounder.

Pandya is not ahead as a bowler. Pandya has the ability to slip in a few balls above 140 and 145. Shankar is a thinking bowler, Vishal. He seems sensible which is very important. Currently, my viewpoint is that Shankar can blossom as a better bowler and an allrounder. But thats just me. Check with @express bowling and @rkt.india what they think.

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1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said:

brother ...i feel exactly the opposite- Pandya is miles ahead in bowling of Shankar.

exactly.......but shankar will put pressure on pandya to perform.....good for indian cricket....but shankars bowling is pedestrian

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1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said:

Pandya is not ahead as a bowler. Pandya has the ability to slip in a few balls above 140 and 145. Shankar is a thinking bowler, Vishal. He seems sensible which is very important. Currently, my viewpoint is that Shankar can blossom as a better bowler and an allrounder. But thats just me. Check with @express bowling and @rkt.india what they think.

hes like phelukwayo   125-130k .......pandya is about 135k and crank upto 140k....

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2 hours ago, Bilal78 said:

 

It wont be feared but it is a decent attack especially in Tests.

 

I said that ( primarily regarding test matches )  because 

 

1.   We have 3 pacers who average below 26 in tests in the last 3 years ... and one more averages 30.  ( see below  )

2.  Our bunch of test pacers have used pace and bounce very consistently in the last 3 years and inflicted many many physical blows on the opposition batters.

3. The bench strength for test matches is good .... another genuine fast bowler, Navdeep Saini, is ready to play test matches igoing by his bowling quality.

 

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM AveAscending Econ SR 5 10  
B Kumar 2016-2018 9 17 239.1 73 629 34 5/33 8/96 18.50 2.62 42.2 2 0 investigate this query
Mohammed Shami 2016-2018 18 35 492.3 102 1481 63 5/28 6/74 23.50 3.00 46.9 1 0 investigate this query
JJ Bumrah 2018-2018 3 6 112.1 16 353 14 5/54 7/111 25.21 3.14 48.0 1 0 investigate this query
I Sharma 2015-2018 20 37 522.3 115 1435 47 5/54 8/86 30.53 2.74 66.7 1 0 investigate this query
UT Yadav 2015-2017 24 48 617.0 127 1967 56 4/32 6/71 35.12 3.18 66.1 0 0

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;qualmin1=10;qualval1=wickets;spanmax1=12+Mar+2018;spanmin1=12+Mar+2015;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

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8 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

I said that ( primarily regarding test matches )  because 

 

1.   We have 3 pacers who average below 26 in tests in the last 3 years ... and one more averages 30.  ( see below  )

2.  Our bunch of test pacers have used pace and bounce very consistently in the last 3 years and inflicted many many physical blows on the opposition batters.

3. The bench strength for test matches is good .... another genuine fast bowler, Navdeep Saini, is ready to play test matches igoing by his bowling quality.

 

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM AveAscending Econ SR 5 10  
B Kumar 2016-2018 9 17 239.1 73 629 34 5/33 8/96 18.50 2.62 42.2 2 0 investigate this query
Mohammed Shami 2016-2018 18 35 492.3 102 1481 63 5/28 6/74 23.50 3.00 46.9 1 0 investigate this query
JJ Bumrah 2018-2018 3 6 112.1 16 353 14 5/54 7/111 25.21 3.14 48.0 1 0 investigate this query
I Sharma 2015-2018 20 37 522.3 115 1435 47 5/54 8/86 30.53 2.74 66.7 1 0 investigate this query
UT Yadav 2015-2017 24 48 617.0 127 1967 56 4/32 6/71 35.12 3.18 66.1 0 0

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;qualmin1=10;qualval1=wickets;spanmax1=12+Mar+2018;spanmin1=12+Mar+2015;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

Shame that the two bowlers who have most experience from the group listed have a higher average and a higher SR. 

 

Hope Bhuvi, Shami and Jasprit don't go the Ishant Sharma and Umesh Yadav way,

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Aaron, who played for RCB until the last season, was not picked up by any franchise in the IPL 2018 auction, thanks to his history with stress fractures, which required a surgery to set a vertebra right and niggles. This made Aaron realize that he needs to put his action right in order to have a long career in cricket.

Missing the IPL could be a blessing in disguise. Ever since I got back to the Indian team in 2014, there have been some tournament or the other and I never had time to look into the finer aspects,” Aaron told Sportstar.

“I am working on a few changes in my action which will be more efficient with the body. This wouldn’t have happened had I not got time off. It is not a major change, but a minor adjustment,” added Aaron, who is training under the watchful eyes of Australian legend Glenn McGrath at the MRF Pace Foundation.

IPL is one of the bigger tournaments in the country and missing it is a big deal for a lot of people. I am not saying this because I am not playing this time, but I have been contemplating skipping the tournament. Last season, I thought of going and playing county instead. But I was contracted and I didn’t want to go down that path. This time, it happened by default,” he revealed.

Varun added, “I am still keen to play county.

When I returned to the Indian team, I was swinging the ball too. I had made a slight change to my action then. But I never had time to think on the adjustments, which was a big mistake. I should have focused on the changes that helped me get back to the team. This is a great opportunity for me to backtrack a little bit, go back to the basics and get them right. I will not compromise on pace. My way of looking at things are different and I am sure it will pay in the long run,” said Aaron

M. Senthilnathan, the chief coach at the MRF Pace Foundation said, “We (along with Glenn McGrath, the director of the academy) are trying to fine-tune his action so that his back is safe. He had a couple of back injuries and stress fractures in the past. We are trying to get an injury-free action. It is a technique to prevent injury and increase efficiency."

We asked him to bowl with a short run-up, watch the video and then go back two yards and run in again. The idea is to get him consistent in the short run first. It takes time. When he is trying to bowl a little faster going back a few yards, he is much better than earlier but still, he is not achieving what he is getting in the short run. Eventually, he will get it,” he added.

We are working on his technical base. If that comes along with fitness, then he will be a different bowler. Nobody doubts his abilities; leave alone the IPL, those things will follow him. As far as I am concerned, I feel he needs to play for the country again,” he added.

“One of my dreams is to help India win a series abroad,” he said, eyeing the tour down under later in 2018, as his goal to return to Team India.

 

http://www.circleofcricket.co/category/Latest_news/18284/varun-aaron-takes-help-of-mrf-pace-foundation-experts-in-a-bid-to-regain-indian-team-berth

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On 11/3/2018 at 5:15 PM, lamellavig said:

The pitches are different, because SA actually fear Aussie bowlers. They don't fear Indian bowlers. 

I guess a better way to put it would be to say they fear the starcs the Johnsons the Cummins type of express pacy bouncy bowlers. Philander picks bucket load wickets on juicy pitches but we don't hear people saying they are scared of Philander.

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20 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

I said that ( primarily regarding test matches )  because 

 

1.   We have 3 pacers who average below 26 in tests in the last 3 years ... and one more averages 30.  ( see below  )

2.  Our bunch of test pacers have used pace and bounce very consistently in the last 3 years and inflicted many many physical blows on the opposition batters.

3. The bench strength for test matches is good .... another genuine fast bowler, Navdeep Saini, is ready to play test matches igoing by his bowling quality.

 

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM AveAscending Econ SR 5 10  
B Kumar 2016-2018 9 17 239.1 73 629 34 5/33 8/96 18.50 2.62 42.2 2 0 investigate this query
Mohammed Shami 2016-2018 18 35 492.3 102 1481 63 5/28 6/74 23.50 3.00 46.9 1 0 investigate this query
JJ Bumrah 2018-2018 3 6 112.1 16 353 14 5/54 7/111 25.21 3.14 48.0 1 0 investigate this query
I Sharma 2015-2018 20 37 522.3 115 1435 47 5/54 8/86 30.53 2.74 66.7 1 0 investigate this query
UT Yadav 2015-2017 24 48 617.0 127 1967 56 4/32 6/71 35.12 3.18 66.1 0 0

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;qualmin1=10;qualval1=wickets;spanmax1=12+Mar+2018;spanmin1=12+Mar+2015;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

i was very excited about Nathu Singh who was a 138 to 146k bowler and i hear he is back to fitness now...if he is truly impressive which i feel he is, he can be challenging BHuvi/shammi/shardul and Umesh soon.

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1 hour ago, Mosher said:

One of my dreams is to help India win a series abroad,” he said, eyeing the tour down under later in 2018, as his goal to return to Team India.

 

http://www.circleofcricket.co/category/Latest_news/18284/varun-aaron-takes-help-of-mrf-pace-foundation-experts-in-a-bid-to-regain-indian-team-berth

that should the  target of every indian  upcoming pacer ...great to hear that!

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