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5 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Subroto Banerjee, the old Bihar/ Jharkhand pacer? wow, he was a military medium pacer. Anyway, Arjun reminds me of Shaun Pollock.

He is in good hands. Subroto is a good coach and knows about fast bowling. He worked with Yadav and when he was Vidarbha coach and Yadav had really improved till he was there.

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4 hours ago, express bowling said:

Very true. Most of the current lot of Pakistani pacers are like that.

No its actually true . The guys have been down on pace in the westindies and lack the zip that international class bowlers get . Dont think any of these guys will make it as a worldclass test bowler .Ishant should have been replaced a while back . Yadav disspoints whenever you sense he might turn a page .

I may be wrong though.

India needs to develop a pool of bowlers otherwise the overseas tests will be very painful with the current crop. India's problems have always been taking 20 wickets.

I rate the Pakistani attack for the future a lot more in comparison . Amir , Hassan and Abbas have massive potential as a test attack . Even the backup bowlers like Ehtisham and Bashir are class . The limited overs attack is just as potent.

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No its actually true . The guys have been down on pace in the westindies and lack the zip that international class bowlers get . Dont think any of these guys will make it as a worldclass test bowler .Ishant should have been replaced a while back . Yadav disspoints whenever you sense he might turn a page .

I may be wrong though.

India needs to develop a pool of bowlers otherwise the overseas tests will be very painful with the current crop. India's problems have always been taking 20 wickets.

I rate the Pakistani attack for the future a lot more in comparison . Amir , Hassan and Abbas have massive potential as a test attack . Even the backup bowlers like Ehtisham and Bashir are class . The limited overs attack is just as potent.

 

What happened to that Atif jabbar guy?? He was talked to be genuinely fast!!!

Also please shade some lights on ehtisham and bashir, about their pace, height seam moment etc.

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6 minutes ago, speedheat said:

 

What happened to that Atif jabbar guy?? He was talked to be genuinely fast!!!

Also please shade some lights on ehtisham and bashir, about their pace, height seam moment etc.

Atif jabbar is a slinger . Can be a good limited overs bowler but i think his age goes against him . Doesnt get enough chances at the domestic level . Unlike india pakistan's domestic scene is a mess . Players appear and  fall of the radar for inexplicable reasons . India has far better structure and coaches . 

Most of the young bowling talent is with the Lahore Qalandars development squad .

Ehtisham is quick and tall . He has good basics . I havent seen bilal afridi but have heard good things about him .

The fastest young bowler in the country is the tape ball bowler Muhammad Zahid jnr . He clocked 148 in a talent hunt and than 149 kph in the NCA . If he gets opportunities he can develop into an express bowler . Another bowler who is currently one of the fastest with the tape ball is muhammad umar . He is also with the lahore qalandars squad.

Here is Muhammad Umar .

https://youtu.be/WAmDeXoJtoY

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Atif jabbar is a slinger . Can be a good limited overs bowler but i think his age goes against him . Doesnt get enough chances at the domestic level . Unlike india pakistan's domestic scene is a mess . Players appear and  fall of the radar for inexplicable reasons . India has far better structure and coaches . 

Most of the young bowling talent is with the Lahore Qalandars development squad .

Ehtisham is quick and tall . He has good basics . I havent seen bilal afridi but have heard good things about him .

The fastest young bowler in the country is the tape ball bowler Muhammad Zahid jnr . He clocked 148 in a talent hunt and than 149 kph in the NCA . If he gets opportunities he can develop into an express bowler . Another bowler who is currently one of the fastest with the tape ball is muhammad umar . He is also with the lahore qalandars squad.

Here is Muhammad Umar .

Thanks for all the info mate,that helped. I have heard about Mohammad zahid he looked quick to me, but the concern is his height he looked too short also thanks for that Mohammed umar video link, you rarely post here you should post more often.

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1 hour ago, the don said:

No its actually true . The guys have been down on pace in the westindies and lack the zip that international class bowlers get . Dont think any of these guys will make it as a worldclass test bowler .Ishant should have been replaced a while back . Yadav disspoints whenever you sense he might turn a page .

I may be wrong though.

India needs to develop a pool of bowlers otherwise the overseas tests will be very painful with the current crop. India's problems have always been taking 20 wickets.

I rate the Pakistani attack for the future a lot more in comparison . Amir , Hassan and Abbas have massive potential as a test attack . Even the backup bowlers like Ehtisham and Bashir are class . The limited overs attack is just as potent.

You think will be at their intense best against WI? Indian team has the propensity to play at level of their opponents irrespective of how weak the opponent is and lacks intensity.

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1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

Pandya turned out to be a better bowler... He learned a lot in 1yr than Umesh did in his whole life

 

pandya re pandya :aha:

Pandya looks like a star. His looks outshine his bowling. The guy seems like a ultra talented movie star on the field. All he needs is a Indian girl in the stands to start dancing.

 

 

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56 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

Pandya looks like a star. His looks outshine his bowling. The guy seems like a ultra talented movie star on the field. All he needs is a Indian girl in the stands to start dancing.

 

 

Will that be imad ? :phehe: or that other spinner i forgot her name young one

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2 hours ago, the don said:

No its actually true . The guys have been down on pace in the westindies and lack the zip that international class bowlers get . Dont think any of these guys will make it as a worldclass test bowler .Ishant should have been replaced a while back . Yadav disspoints whenever you sense he might turn a page .

I may be wrong though.

India needs to develop a pool of bowlers otherwise the overseas tests will be very painful with the current crop. India's problems have always been taking 20 wickets.

I rate the Pakistani attack for the future a lot more in comparison . Amir , Hassan and Abbas have massive potential as a test attack . Even the backup bowlers like Ehtisham and Bashir are class . The limited overs attack is just as potent.

The pakistani lot are a bunch of boring trundlers. Wouldnt watch one match if they are in the bowling line up. If they don't sell their country off and cheat and fix matches within 1 year, they will disappear from world cricket because of lack of quality. Cheers mate

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2 hours ago, the don said:

No its actually true . The guys have been down on pace in the westindies and lack the zip that international class bowlers get . Dont think any of these guys will make it as a worldclass test bowler .Ishant should have been replaced a while back . Yadav disspoints whenever you sense he might turn a page .

I may be wrong though.

India needs to develop a pool of bowlers otherwise the overseas tests will be very painful with the current crop. India's problems have always been taking 20 wickets.

Shami, Bumrah and Umesh are known for their zip off the deck.  Even on the slow surfaces of India, Umesh and Shami had been beating Australian, NZ and English batters for pace and hurrying them in the last test season. All 3 bowl 135 k to 148 k range in most matches against worthy opponents.

 

Pace and zip off the deck is not a problem for Indian pacers anymore.

 

This WI series was against a very weak opponent, after a very gruelling season.

 

It was a smart move to take it a bit easy. Even the, Umesh was bowling some 145 k balls. Shami was bowling quite a few 140 k+ balls after returning from such a long injury layoff.

 

2 hours ago, the don said:

I rate the Pakistani attack for the future a lot more in comparison . Amir , Hassan and Abbas have massive potential as a test attack . Even the backup bowlers like Ehtisham and Bashir are class . The limited overs attack is just as potent.

Amir has disappointed in tests, both in terms of pace and in terms of performance. Let the others perform for 6 months in tests and ODIs, we will discuss then.

 

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@express bowling @rkt.india Watch this clip of Srinath. Watch the delivery at 3:15 to Afridi. I think you would remember making the comment about ramiz raja's statement, it was actually on this ball and then one more time when the day's match was over, that Ramiz commented ' its not easy playing against the pace of Srinath and Waqar. This particular delivery looks pretty  snorter.

 

 

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48 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

@express bowling @rkt.india Watch this clip of Srinath. Watch the delivery at 3:15 to Afridi. I think you would remember making the comment about ramiz raja's statement, it was actually on this ball and then one more time when the day's match was over, that Ramiz commented ' its not easy playing against the pace of Srinath and Waqar. This particular delivery looks pretty  snorter.

 

 

 

And this was after Srinath lost some pace.  Still looks so quick in this video.

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53 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

@express bowling @rkt.india Watch this clip of Srinath. Watch the delivery at 3:15 to Afridi. I think you would remember making the comment about ramiz raja's statement, it was actually on this ball and then one more time when the day's match was over, that Ramiz commented ' its not easy playing against the pace of Srinath and Waqar. This particular delivery looks pretty  snorter.

 

 

He had the best bowling action from any Indian bowler.

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12 minutes ago, express bowling said:

@Rightarmfast

 

RAFbhai .... you will like these videos

 

This one only mentions the speeds registered from the 1999 WC, from which time speed-guns were regularly used in matches and shown on TV

 

 

 

 

 

This one includes the 157 k touched by Srinath in 1996/97

 

 

http://abcnewsgo.net/video/yJ7B_QnX1ots

 

 

They leave out the 151.1 kph  / 93.9 mph bowled by Shami in 2016 against NZ in the 2nd  test match.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-new-zealand-2016-17/engine/match/1030215.html?view=hawkeye

 

( check " Bowl speeds "  2nd innings )

 

 

Fastest balls officially recorded for Indians in international matches

 

Srinath   157.0 k      /      154 .5 k  1999 WC onward

Aaron     152.6 k

Ishant    152.5 k

Umesh   152.2 k

Shami    151.1 k

Nehra    149.7 k

 

 

Nice :) They need to add 149.6 for Srinath at WC 99 which made him the 2nd fastest in the world during 99.

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19 minutes ago, express bowling said:

@Mosher@Rightarmfast@rkt.india @Laaloo

@speedheat @vishalvirsingh

 

Fastest balls by Indians in international cricket ( as officially recorded )

 

This one only mentions the speeds registered from the 1999 WC, from which time speed-guns were regularly used in matches and shown on TV

 

 

 

 

 

This one includes the 157 k touched by Srinath in 1996/97

 

 

http://abcnewsgo.net/video/yJ7B_QnX1ots

 

 

They leave out the 151.1 kph  / 93.9 mph bowled by Shami in 2016 against NZ in the 2nd  test match.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-new-zealand-2016-17/engine/match/1030215.html?view=hawkeye

 

( check " Bowl speeds "  2nd innings )

 

 

Fastest balls officially recorded for Indians in international matches

 

Srinath   157.0 k      /      154 .5 k  1999 WC onward

Aaron     152.6 k

Ishant    152.5 k

Umesh   152.2 k

Shami    151.1 k

Nehra    149.7 k

 

 

Aaron delivered a 153.x in a domestic game, thats the third fastest after Srinath's two fastest.

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3 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Nice :) They need to add 149.6 for Srinath at WC 99 which made him the 2nd fastest in the world during 99.

 

They have mentioned the 154.5 k by Srinath in the 1999 World Cup.... bowled against Pakistan

 

The 149.6 k was in the first match against Australia ..... which grabbed more headlines..... but he bowled 4.9 k quicker a few days later and was the 2nd fastest of the WC 99 after Shoaib who bowled 156 k.    : )

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34 minutes ago, express bowling said:

@Mosher@Rightarmfast@rkt.india @Laaloo

@speedheat @vishalvirsingh

@Vilander @Vk1 @Cricketics@tweaker

 

Fastest balls by Indians in international cricket ( as officially recorded )

 

This one only mentions the speeds registered from the 1999 WC, from which time speed-guns were regularly used in matches and shown on TV

 

 

 

 

 

This one includes the 157 k touched by Srinath in 1996/97

 

 

http://abcnewsgo.net/video/yJ7B_QnX1ots

 

 

They leave out the 151.1 kph  / 93.9 mph bowled by Shami in 2016 against NZ in the 2nd  test match.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-new-zealand-2016-17/engine/match/1030215.html?view=hawkeye

 

( check " Bowl speeds "  2nd innings )

 

 

Fastest balls officially recorded for Indians in international matches

 

Srinath   157.0 k      /      154 .5 k  1999 WC onward

Aaron     152.6 k

Ishant    152.5 k

Umesh   152.2 k

Shami    151.1 k

Nehra    149.7 k

 

 

Do you have videos for those srinath and shami spell or the deliveries .

How did Srinath lose so much pace within 5 months. ?? I remember seeing in a Tri series in Australia a couple of months later and he was bowling 130 - 134 kph .

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7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

I was in the process of tagging your name when you posted. 

 

Wanted your input on this   : )

 

Any other names I have missed out  ?

Thanks for sharing the video.

 

Those are some of the bowlers who have been fastest for us over the years.

 

To add more, I would say Agarkar could be added to the list and Sreesanth, they weren't faster than all of them but could be faster than some of them mentioned.

 

Agarkar and Sreesanth both were pretty fast at a time. Also VRV Singh at his prime and also during South Africa tour of 2006 I think was very quick. 

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6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

I was in the process of tagging your name when you posted. 

 

Wanted your input on this   : )

 

Any other names I have missed out  ?

nope you got it all..Sreesant hit 149.x a few times...dont remember any 150 from him.. so Nehra trumps him.

 

So yes its Srinath,Aaron,Ishant,Yadav,Nehra,Sreesanth in terms of fastest, Nehra and Sreesanth hitting 149 but not crossing 150. may be RP swing and Munaf came close to 149 too need to check videos.

Vishal Vir singh did deliver a 150 in IPL > or is it some other bowler.

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4 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Thanks for sharing the video.

 

Those are some of the bowlers who have been fastest for us over the years.

 

To add more, I would say Agarkar could be added to the list and Sreesanth, they weren't faster than all of them but could be faster than some of them mentioned.

 

Agarkar and Sreesanth both were pretty fast at a time. Also VRV Singh at his prime and also during South Africa tour of 2006 I think was very quick. 

 

Added Bumrah, Sreesanth, RP, Zaheer and Agarkar   : )

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2 minutes ago, Vilander said:

nope you got it all..Sreesant hit 149.x a few times...dont remember any 150 from him.. so Nehra trumps him.

 

So yes its Srinath,Aaron,Ishant,Yadav,Nehra,Sreesanth in terms of fastest, Nehra and Sreesanth hitting 149 but not crossing 150. may be RP swing and Munaf came close to 149 too need to check videos.

Vishal Vir singh did deliver a 150 in IPL > or is it some other bowler.

Don't remember VRV touching 150 k in the IPL.... may have missed it.

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12 minutes ago, the don said:

 

Do you have videos for those srinath and shami spell or the deliveries .

How did Srinath lose so much pace within 5 months. ?? I remember seeing in a Tri series in Australia a couple of months later and he was bowling 130 - 134 kph .

 

I gave the espncricinfo link for the Shami delivery.

 

I don't have a video of that Srinath spell as now. Will post if I find it.

 

Srinath was bowling 135 k to 145 k in Australia most of the time.... after his rotator cuff surgery in 1997, he sometimes bowled a tad slower when he felt uneasy.

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Amit Bhandari was also around 145k bowler at the end of his career or less and also he was perhaps clocked around 145 when he played in that tri series in 2004 against Australia and Zim when Rohan Gavaskar was also picked. 

 

I think Bhandari used to be quicker than 145 before in domestics when he was first picked but of course there is no proof. 

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2 hours ago, Shaz1 said:

 

 

 

Need for speed Sami!

Sami was an absolute waste but his fitness levels were commendable .

 

Sad that amir lost 5 years as a result his fitness levels have suffered . He is getting back to the pre ban levels of fitness as was visible in the ODI's in australia and the tests in the carribean .No competitive cricket for 5 years really took its toll its amazing that he still managed to outbowl starc in australia and anderson in england . I would be really dissapointed if Pakistan bowl him to the ground . He should be the worlds best by age 27 if the progress continues . The preban bowling zip was amazing .

A fully fit amir is crazy good . Compare that Sami bowl to these rockets from Amir.

https://youtu.be/lcqoc30XOb4

 

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From the current lot of players who haven't played for India, I think Sangwan and Thampi give me a lot of promise and certainty that they will clock 150 soon. They got the potential to do it. 

 

 

It would be nice to see Thampi and Sangwan rotated with current Indian bowlers like Bhuvi, Umesh, Shami, Bumrah once in a while and be tried for India in ODI'S or t20. 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Vilander said:

nope you got it all..Sreesant hit 149.x a few times...dont remember any 150 from him.. so Nehra trumps him.

 

So yes its Srinath,Aaron,Ishant,Yadav,Nehra,Sreesanth in terms of fastest, Nehra and Sreesanth hitting 149 but not crossing 150. may be RP swing and Munaf came close to 149 too need to check videos.

Vishal Vir singh did deliver a 150 in IPL > or is it some other bowler.

Sreesanth did hit 150 atleast once. I saw him bowl at 150. Zaheer Khan clocked 150 in 2002 n England in the famous test victory. Amit Bhandari did clock 145, but he lost his pace pretty soon.

Agarkar was very quick on a consistent basis. I have seen him bowl 142+ for 6 deliveries on a trot.

 

The Srinath match is available online where he clocked 157. I will have to search for it. Srinath hit 152 in NZ in 98. Srinath clocked 143.4 in 2003 WC, when he had lost his pace and when he was pretty old. Thats still close to 90mph.

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2 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

From the current lot of players who haven't played for India, I think Sangwan and Thampi give me a lot of promise and certainty that they will clock 150 soon. They got the potential to do it. 

 

 

It would be nice to see Thampi and Sangwan rotated with current Indian bowlers like Bhuvi, Umesh, Shami, Bumrah once in a while and be tried for India in ODI'S or t20. 

 

 

For some reason, I believe Khejroliya will clock 150 and will be a quick bowler.

 

1 hour ago, Shaz1 said:

 

 

 

Need for speed Sami!

I always liked Sami. Zaheer and Sami made their debut around the same time. Initially, both of them were of exact same pace. Bowling around 142-145 at their fastest. Zaheer bowled his fastest at around 148, closing on 149, whereas Sami gained pace and became a 150+ bowler. However, Sami never reached his full potentials whereas Zaheer became a lethal world class bowler and for 2-3 years, the worlds best pace bowler.

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1 minute ago, Rightarmfast said:

For some reason, I believe Khejroliya will clock 150 and will be a quick bowler.

 

I always liked Sami. Zaheer and Sami made their debut around the same time. Initially, both of them were of exact same pace. Bowling around 142-145 at their fastest. Zaheer bowled his fastest at around 148, closing on 149, whereas Sami gained pace and became a 150+ bowler. However, Sami never reached his full potentials whereas Zaheer became a lethal world class bowler and for 2-3 years, the worlds best pace bowler.

Yes, Khejroliya is quick and he can too, he might already be in nets, but e don't know exactly. It was just sheer bad luck that he was noticed around IPL and wasn't played, though he did get to play in domestic 50 overs. I think him playing in Ranji and bowling longer spells can make him a better bowler too. 

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19 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

For some reason, I believe Khejroliya will clock 150 and will be a quick bowler.

 

I always liked Sami. Zaheer and Sami made their debut around the same time. Initially, both of them were of exact same pace. Bowling around 142-145 at their fastest. Zaheer bowled his fastest at around 148, closing on 149, whereas Sami gained pace and became a 150+ bowler. However, Sami never reached his full potentials whereas Zaheer became a lethal world class bowler and for 2-3 years, the worlds best pace bowler.

Sami had talent with no brains. Never considered Zaheer the best bowler at his peak. He was good but not that good. I do admit though he was one bowler who got me interested in Indian bowling. I remember how his time in the Countys changed him. I really found that inspirational. Him and Anderson seemed like the same kind of bowlers. Always great to watch when on flow. After him Shami took his spot nicely.

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