Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[fineleg]

No control whatsoever, and no setup plan. Umesh Yadav fires it in, and sometimes on target and many times wayward.

VishalVirSingh I am sure enjoys the "147 down the leg side"

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, fineleg said:

No control whatsoever, and no setup plan. Umesh Yadav fires it in, and sometimes on target and many times wayward.

VishalVirSingh I am sure enjoys the "147 down the leg side"

Well, at least he has the pace. Needs to work on the control. In contrast, some bowlers have swin and control but trundle in the 120s. And others, like Vinay Koomar, S. Aravind, etc. lack both.

[express bowling]

Umesh Yadav had improved his accuracy starting from the last test against SA in late 2015.

 

He continued in the same vein for 6 test matches, up to the first test in this series. 

 

In the last 2 tests, he has gone back to bowling down the leg and wide deliveries on the off...with more frequency.

 

He needs to go back to making the batsmen playing a high % of deliveries ....like he was doing.

 

Target top of off stump for most deliveries and punctuate it by some good, well directed bouncers bowled with more effort.

[Laaloo]

Yadav bowling 140-146 and troubling Bairstow

[express bowling]

Umesh Yadav has drastically improved his line from the 2nd session.

 

Now he is swinging the ball both ways and targeting the off-stump.

 

Speeds  140  k to 146  k

 

A step in the right direction.

 

Has made the batsmen miss the ball and taken edges...but with no luck.

Edited November 26, 2016 by express bowling

[vishalvirsingh]

On ‎11‎/‎20‎/‎2016 at 9:39 PM, fineleg said:

No control whatsoever, and no setup plan. Umesh Yadav fires it in, and sometimes on target and many times wayward.

VishalVirSingh I am sure enjoys the "147 down the leg side"

my dear fine leg .. I will definitely enjoy your fine legs but not a pacy ball down the leg side.

[vishalvirsingh]

umesh has created so many chances but has missed getting wickets..

[express bowling]

If the team management wants bowlers who are quick in the air and can reverse the ball ...for matches being played on pattas....it is time to look for some new bowlers too, apart from Umesh and Ishant.

 

Nathu Singh is a pacer who can reverse the ball at pace and has shown the tendency to bowl to a plan in whatever matches I have seen him in.  Kumble and Kohli should have a look at him in the nets.

[rkt.india]

20 minutes ago, express bowling said:

If the team management wants bowlers who are quick in the air and can reverse the ball ...for matches being played on pattas....it is time to look for some new bowlers too, apart from Umesh and Ishant.

 

Nathu Singh is a pacer who can reverse the ball at pace and has shown the tendency to bowl to a plan in whatever matches I have seen him in.  Kumble and Kohli should have a look at him in the nets.

Nathu has been very much like Yadav, lacking in consistency, not yet as quick though.

[MCcricket]

What you guys smoking today, thought I witnessed a good bowling performance by India, bowling last overs both Umesh, Shami over 140, Umesh N Shami would have got atleast 8 wkts more this series if not for easy misses drops.

Umesh now shows he has more control, and beautiful reverse, also worked out Woakes quite well, Shami bowled the good short one to Join , to me now Shami n Umesh are the no 1 n 2 pacers in India for tests.

Improvements yes, a bit more cross seam n cutters on slow tracks, Umesh especially n Shami to an extent have to make better use of short ball n also the crease.

Atherton ,Hussain, Beefy mentioned again n again how impressed they R with India's opening bowlers for their pace n skills , see Umesh developing more under Virat as Dhoni treated him badly also, Virat makes better use of 5 bowler then what Dhoni ever did.

Also saw some positive changes in our spin bowlers plan, speed and flight.

With Umesh , Shami as main bowlers who can attack n Ishant, Pankaj as backup, Pandya as the seamer allrounder, Nathu, Sangwan, ANIKET as backup India should now look to compete n win abroad n Virat will do far better then Dhoni ever did n use the resources.

[express bowling]

23 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Nathu has been very much like Yadav, lacking in consistency, not yet as quick though.

Nathu has been quite accurate most of the times I have seen him bowl.  Tries to bowl to a plan.

 

Another issue is.... a rookie fast bowler aged 21  generally improves his accuracy.

 

He was clocking  up to 143 k in domestic matches where everyone clocks slower speeds....looks very fast visually.

 

 

Edited November 26, 2016 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

Nathu has been quite accurate most of the times I have see him bowl.  Tries to bowl to a plan.

 

Another issue is.... a rookie fast bowler aged 21  generally improves his accuracy.

 

He was clocking  up to 143 k in domestic matches where everyone clocks slower speeds....looks very fast visually.

 

 

Yes, he might get better but he is very raw for now. What can do wonders for him is if they can get him in India setup during Aus series, Ranji trophy will be over by then, so, he can stay with Indian team as an extra man, practice with them, bowl to the batsmen and get some coaching help.

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Yes, he might get better but he is very raw for now. What can do wonders for him is if they can get him in India setup during Aus series, Ranji trophy will be over by then, so, he can stay with Indian team as an extra man, practice with them, bowl to the batsmen and get some coaching help.

That is what I am talking about.

 

Get Nathu in the Indian Team and let him work under Kumble and Kohli in the next  series.

 

He is a rare talent and can be fast tracked into our setup.

 

He bowls a cracking inswinging yorker at pace and with accuracy. Can be very effective in cleaning off the pesky tail in test matches and can be very useful in LOIs..

Edited November 26, 2016 by express bowling

[express bowling]

3rd  test vs England

 

Speed ranges of most  deliveries ( excluding slower balls )

 

Shami    135 k to 147 k

Umesh  135 k to 146 k

 

Umesh bowled really well in the 2nd and 3rd sessions today.  Was reverse swinging the ball both ways at high pace and generally targeting the off-stump. Got some seam movement too and made some angling in deliveries hold their line. Bowled very few deliveries down the leg or way outside off.  He bowled with a big heart on a very flat deck which was slow and low and bowled some jaffas.   Picked up 2 wickets as a result.

 

He was cautioned in the first session for running in the danger area....made him bowl wide of the crease as a result....and I think this forced change helped him. He looked much better after the 1st session.

 

Shami also bowled well.  He bowled in good areas, swung and seamed the ball both ways, got both conventional outswing and reverse swing both ways. Bowled some good bouncers on a very slow and low track and got Moeen Ali with a well directed high bouncer.  had 2 catches dropped off his bowling.

 

He looked a little tired though, from his 2nd spell onward.

[vishalvirsingh]

On 17/11/2016 at 10:50 AM, laaloo said:

Not bowling any short balls to Hamee

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

3rd  test vs England

 

Speed ranges of most  deliveries ( excluding slower balls )

 

Shami    135 k to 147 k

Umesh  135 k to 146 k

 

Umesh bowled really well in the 2nd and 3rd sessions today.  Was reverse swinging the ball both ways at high pace and generally targeting the off-stump. Got some seam movement too and made some angling in deliveries hold their line. Bowled very few deliveries down the leg or way outside off.  He bowled with a big heart on a very flat deck which was slow and low and bowled some jaffas.   Picked up 2 wickets as a result.

 

He was cautioned in the first session for running in the danger area....made him bowl wide of the crease as a result....and I think this forced change helped him. He looked much better after the 1st session.

 

Shami also bowled well.  He bowled in good areas, swung and seamed the ball both ways, got both conventional outswing and reverse swing both ways. Bowled some good bouncers on a very slow and low track and got Moeen Ali with a well directed high bouncer.  had 2 catches dropped off his bowling.

 

He looked a little tired though, from his 2nd spell 

 

Umesh was constantly 142 to 146k  in first spell and looked a touch faster and better than Shammi ...

I felt umesh was fended off well by England in first spell...he shud have got 1 or 2 wickets more...was looking deadly.

[renjith]

Shami seems to be bowling with a different action for reversing the ball and to hide the seam position from batsman while running. Not a good sign for a bowler.  Trying out different actions played a major part in ishant's decline.

[_ramkumar]

Hawk eye of Hameed's wicket over showing difference in bounce.

[Mosher]

Whenever there is some outswing for Umesh he should bowl it from wider of the crease, batsman will have to play at the deliveries bowled just outside of the offstump line because of the angle.

" With seven balls to stumps, Umesh Yadav finally convinced an outswinger to overcome its shyness and go hug Chris Woakes' off stump. Umesh had been warned for following through on the danger area in his fourth over. Going wider of the stumps eventually helped him trouble the England batsmen more because the right-handers felt they had to play most of his deliveries with the angle into them. After that, it was only a matter of being accurate because he was finding sideways movement - both conventional and reverse."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1069094.html

[Vilander]

2 hours ago, _ramkumar said:

Hawk eye of Hameed's wicket over showing difference in bounce.

there is  seam in the cricket ball, it tends to bounce variably its part of the game. Hameed did not play it well.

[rkt.india]

10 hours ago, renjith said:

Shami seems to be bowling with a different action for reversing the ball and to hide the seam position from batsman while running. Not a good sign for a bowler.  Trying out different actions played a major part in ishant's decline.

It's not different. He is just trying to hide the ball.