Sachin=GOD Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 some people saying in india that our govt should ask Israel to stop attack on gaza :blink: Whats wrong in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veer Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 some people saying in india that our govt should ask Israel to stop attack on gaza :blink: Nothing wrong with that. Both need to end it before it goes out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir john Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Whats wrong in that? what about our deal with israel etc ammo,choppers etc? it gonna effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir john Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Nothing wrong with that. Both need to end it before it goes out of hand. but asking a stupid idea i think only arab league nd uno can ask them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gs Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Ahhh you shouldnt talk about history cuz it goes back to more than 1000 years.. and it won't look good on you. My question to you and other hypocrites are... 1. Why there were hardly any protests when Syrian Leader was killing lot of other syrians? 2. Why there was no protest in middle east/pakistan etc when a hardliner kidnapped more than 200 teenage girls.. and who are still missing? 3. Why there is no protest in muslim world about ISIS running over Shias in Iraq?? All these are examples about muslim killing other muslims.. Here is the thing for majority of muslims (at least that's how it seems): 1. Muslims killing Muslims is ok 2. Muslims killing non-muslims is ok 3. Non-Muslims killng non-muslims is ok BUT.. 1. Non-muslims killing Muslims is earth shattering offense.. IMO, this kinda hypocracy is why a lot people/country in west dont bother about what happens in situations like Isreal-Palesteine crisis :two_thumbs_up: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The bombs come from Israel, but Gaza's misery is due to Gaza's rulers..nice article from a canadian writer based in Israel As a Canadian living in Israel for many years, I’ve worked hard to try and maintain a balanced perspective in a place where opinions often come one-sided and red hot. When so much is at stake, it often serves the interest of parties to conflate and exaggerate their side of the narrative to help sway opinion both on the street and in the halls of power. The Israeli-Arab conflict is complex, multi-faceted and reaches far back into history. Writing about it cannot and should not be undertaken lightly – but unfortunately headlines regarding the conflict sell papers and push traffic to websites and the result is often the blunt, biased and uninformed articles that are commonplace. The Israeli government is currently selling the war based on the transparent reason of 'protecting citizens from rocket fire'. While protecting citizens and the integrity of its borders is no doubt a factor, I’d suggest that at the least the government drew Hamas into the conflict. This can be seen as part of a policy response of spoiling the new Hamas tactic, based on the organization’s flying success with the Shalit negotiations, of winning concessions by kidnapping Israelis. You may remember that Israel arrested hundreds of Hamas members following the kidnapping of the three Israeli teenagers - including hundreds that had been freed as part of the Shalit deal – and this was part of that same policy response. This part at least, I'm sure, was part of a well-formulated strategy that Israel would have promulgated after they released 1000 Palestinians in exchange for Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2011. Moreover, the Israeli government may have welcomed the coming conflict with Hamas on a different level. Hamas is politically very weak these days (more on that below) and Israel could be seeking to take advantage of their weakness to do some 'pruning' around Gaza - destroy rocket launchers, kill a few leaders, keep the organization in some disarray and generally avail themselves of the favorable political climate that Israel currently finds itself in. Just as importantly, Israel probably also welcomed the conflict as an opportunity to further weaken Hamas and the reconciliation agreement between Hamas and Fatah. It could do this by showing Hamas as violent and disruptive, in stark contrast to the mostly quiet relations between Israel and the Palestinians that is du jour in the West Bank. Further, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu seems most comfortable operating under the dictum that his citizenry can be best controlled by keeping them afraid while selling them security, and it's quite possible that he's slipped into the conflict because it’s familiar territory and an easy place to fend off challenges from the right wing -- where his coalition is weakest -- and garner support among the populace for the next election. Support for the conflict in Israel is high, despite people's unease with Palestinian casualties. I've always said that Netanyahu is a masterful politician, if a reprehensible human being. Now for Hamas. As mentioned, they're isolated - Iran hasn't transferred funds as it's cross with them for failing to support Assad in Syria. The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood - Hamas' ally and organization from which it originated - is a rival to the current Egyptian government, has been declared illegal and has gone underground. Many of its leaders have been jailed. Under normal circumstances during a conflict with Israel, Hamas could count on pressure from Hezballah on Israel’s northern border, but this time around Hezballah is spread too thin in efforts to help prop up President Assad in Syria and fending off the threat from ISIS (or IS, or whatever they are now), whose presence has finally begun to be felt in Beirut. Imagine Hezballah as the moderate fending off a threat from a more extreme Islamic group! Hamas' decision to launch rockets from Gaza might be a last ditch effort to show the world that it's the only real resistance to 'the Zionist entity'. In that respect, it still enjoys wide-spread support on the Arab street, from what I've seen. So it's an attempt to gain support, increase relevancy, and (as I saw one journalist put it) 'reshuffle the deck' to perhaps stave off its own coming demise. I've also read that the reconciliation agreement itself was also a last ditch attempt to stave off its own demise. In fact, they don't really have any options besides portraying themselves as 'the resistance'. Friendless and penniless, they're in a corner. In a very real sense, all they've got left is their rockets in the basement. This lack of options, and their lack of anything resembling any sort of 'victory' in the current fighting, explains their rejection of Monday’s ceasefire - accepting it would simply validate the idea that they led Gazans to another costly, miserable war with nothing to show for it - a complete surrender, essentially. That would not likely help their position, already perilous, in the months to come. On the other hand, if Hamas can lure Israelis into more strikes and even a ground assault, it might be able to paint Israel in the 'best' negative light by playing up Gazan casualties. In this regard we can be sure: Hamas wants as many Gazan deaths as possible, the more the merrier, as it's the only way they can hope to gain a victory: by swinging the international narrative towards Gaza as poor and repressed and Israel as mighty and terrible and murderous -- even as they domestically try and bolster resistance by saying that all Gazans welcome death and martyrdom. It's worth noting the absurdity here: Israel has an incentive to limit casualties for moral reasons. In fact, as an article in Business Insider last week suggested, Israel has raised moral standards in its efforts to warn civilians of impending attacks. Israel also wants to minimize casualties because of the PR war - Israel needs as few deaths in Gaza as possible while Hamas needs as many as possible. The Israel Defence Force's activity on Twitter is putting a lot of energy into showing how it is protecting civilian life in Gaza. Meanwhile, Hamas is playing up the body count, asking civilians to go to rooftops when air strikes are incoming, as well as asking civilians to ignore Israeli pamphlets requesting that they flee their homes for their own safety. Perversely, Israel's incredible Iron Dome missile defense system, which has mostly keep Israelis safe, makes it easier for Hamas to promote its own version of the conflict. Here's another example, just to demonstrate the absurdity of the whole situation. Israel supplies Gaza with power - to run its sewage plants and provide fresh water, for example. A couple of days ago Hamas hit the infrastructure with a rocket, knocking out their own power supply. This is potentially useful PR for Hamas as it increases the likelihood of Gazan misery being portrayed internationally - so of course Israel has had to work, under rocket fire, to restore electricity to the people firing the rockets at them! Anyway, the long and short of it is that it's a complex mess. In general terms, Israel is playing chess while Hamas is playing checkers. The fact remains that Hamas frequently violates Israeli sovereignty. It's also very important to note that, despite the unbalanced nature of the conflict, Hamas has had the better part of nine years to concentrate on building a better home and future for Gazans. Instead they've used that time and energy into stockpiling and firing rockets -- most of the rocket fire over the years never makes international media. All of this rocket firing is based on Hamas' delusion that it might sweep the Jews into the sea and wipe Israel from the map. Contrast this to the Iraqi Kurds, for example, who have quietly built the functioning infrastructure of a state-within-a-state over the years while consciously never engaging in terrorism. Today, Kurdistan is on the cusp of independence. Gaza would be far better off if they concentrated on building their state and looking after the well-being of their people - not armed resistance. While the bombs come from Israel, Gazan misery is due to Gaza's rulers. Adam Taylor is a writer and analyst living in Israel. He writes about politics, finance and economics of Israel and the Middle East. He can be reached at: thedesertprince@gmail.com and on Twitter : @grayzies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 This eagerness of Hamas to firing missiles doesnt end. Morons still dont realize that they are not hurting Israel in anyway. Their rockets are useless but still as soon as ceasefire time is over, they start firing again. Now can someone tell me why couldnt they wait and see what Israel does ? More than 40 rockets from the Gaza Strip whizzed into Israel starting at 3 p.m. Thursday, precisely marking the designated end of the five-hour halt to hostilities both sides had agreed upon to provide a “humanitarian window” to residents after nine days of fighting. The Israeli military said one rocket hit the southern city of Ashkelon and another fell short and landed inside Gaza, as sirens again sounded repeatedly across southern Israel. A military spokesman said Israel had not immediately resumed strikes on Gaza. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-strip.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LargeMediaHeadlineSum&module=photo-spot-region®ion=photo-spot&WT.nav=photo-spot&_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Ahhh you shouldnt talk about history cuz it goes back to more than 1000 years.. and it won't look good on you. My question to you and other hypocrites are... 1. Why there were hardly any protests when Syrian Leader was killing lot of other syrians? 2. Why there was no protest in middle east/pakistan etc when a hardliner kidnapped more than 200 teenage girls.. and who are still missing? 3. Why there is no protest in muslim world about ISIS running over Shias in Iraq?? All these are examples about muslim killing other muslims.. Here is the thing for majority of muslims (at least that's how it seems): 1. Muslims killing Muslims is ok 2. Muslims killing non-muslims is ok 3. Non-Muslims killng non-muslims is ok BUT.. 1. Non-muslims killing Muslims is earth shattering offense.. IMO, this kinda hypocracy is why a lot people/country in west dont bother about what happens in situations like Isreal-Palesteine crisis +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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panther Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 when their army regularly launches offensives in FATA and Balochistan' date=' all of them go mum on the innocent muslims that are killed, but as soon as palestine or kashmir or myanmar comes, they all suddenly find love for their muslim brethren[/quote'] This is not true many Pakistanis dislike the army including myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gs Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Not just peaceful, secular too as per Indian definition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhunaeh Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 was the world always falling apart or the media and internet make it seem so? :hmmm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 CNN has removed the reporter from Israel for speaking the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 CNN has removed the reporter from Israel for speaking the truth This tweet is also deleted FYI. Why are people only talking about this reporter from Gaza? They are not talking about other reports in Iran who is sentenced to jail. Selective outrage, appeasement,, sickular !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 This tweet is also deleted FYI. Why are people only talking about this reporter from Gaza? They are not talking about other reports in Iran who is sentenced to jail. Selective outrage, appeasement,, sickular !!!! Yeah I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardWarrior Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Mothers of all Palestinians must be killed: Israeli MP A well-known Israeli politician and parliament member has branded Palestinians as terrorists, saying mothers of all Palestinians should also be killed during the ongoing Israeli assault on the besieged Gaza Strip, Daily Sabah reported. Ayelet Shaked of the ultra-nationalist Jewish Home party called for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to "little snakes." "They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," Shaked said, adding, "They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.” The remarks are considered as a call for genocide as she declared that all Palestinians are Israel's enemies and must be killed. http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mothers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardWarrior Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 They sound like Islamic terrorist .. does this guy also wear lal topi This is not He .... this is She .... A Woman .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Well no matter what you say about Israel,atleast the people in their country have rights and everyone is treated equally...yeah you might call it a religious state but they have used religion in this case to build a more nationalistic and model society....so automatically their retaliation has a flavor of self-defense. Knowing how the other so called states define freedom,once in a while it is ok to give them the benefit of doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 ^but as I said.....I am in no way supporting this act of killing innocent children so don't misinterpret me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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