KeyboardWarrior Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 AH-1Z Viper, 1000 Hellfire Missiles approved for sale to Pakistan The State Department has approved Pakistan’s request to buy almost $1 billion in U.S.-made attack helicopters, missiles and other equipment aimed at fighting insurgents in the country’s mountainous north and west regions. U.S. defense companies are engaged in a three-way tussle with Russia and China to sell weapons to Pakistan, complicated by the need to avoid upsetting neighbor India and its even larger arms’ import market. The Pentagon said Monday that Pakistan had requested 15 AH-1Z Viper helicopters made by the Bell arm of Textron Inc., as well as 1,000 Hellfire missiles produced by Lockheed Martin Corp. and a host of other communications and training equipment with a total value of $952 million, according to a notification to Congress, which needs to approve any sale. Any deal would be structured as a foreign military sale between the two governments. “This proposed sale of helicopters and weapon systems will provide Pakistan with military capabilities in support of its counterterrorism and counterinsurgency operations in South Asia,” said the Defense Security Cooperation Agency, which oversees U.S. military exports. http://www.wsj.com/articles/state-department-approves-pakistan-arms-request-1428358377?tesla=y 15 AH-1Z Viper Attack Helicopters, 32 T-700 GE 401C Engines (30 installed and 2 spares), 1000 AGM-114 R Hellfire Missiles in containers, 36 H-1 Technical Refresh Mission computers, 17 AN/AAQ-30 Target Sight Systems, 30 629F-23 Ultra High Frequency/Very High Frequency Communication Systems, 19 H-764 Embedded Global Positioning System/Inertial Navigation Systems, 32 Helmet Mounted Display/Optimized Top Owl, 17 APX-117A Identification Friend or Foe, 17 AN/AAR-47 Missile Warning Systems, 17 AN/ALE-47 Countermeasure Dispenser Sets, 18 AN/APR-39C(V)2 Radar Warning Receivers, 15 Joint Mission Planning Systems, and 17 M197 20mm Gun Systems. Also included are system integration and testing, software development and integration, aircraft ferry, support equipment, spare and repair parts, tools and test equipment, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated cost is $952 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardWarrior Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Russia to deliver MI 35 helicopter to Pakistan Islamabad- Russian Ambassador in Islamabad Alexey Y. Dedov today said that negotiations are underway for the delivery of MI 35 helicopter to Pakistan. Talking about Pak-Russia defence cooperation, Alexey Dedov said that both the countries have signed different agreements for the military cooperation. http://nation.com.pk/national/02-Apr-2015/russia-to-deliver-mi-35-helicopter-to-pakistan I think we are buying 30 to 40 Hellis from Russia .... :hmmm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeautifulGame Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 No offense but can we have separate threads for India and Pak updates @ mods. Most of us doesnt care much about Pak defense news and having both news in thread will only result in pointless indo-pak arguments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket_Hacker Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 No offense but can we have separate threads for India and Pak updates @ mods. Most of us doesnt care much about Pak defense news and having both news in thread will only result in pointless indo-pak arguments No borders for defence news Must keep close watch on Pak weaponry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket_Hacker Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 Congrats to IN and ICF for INS Kalvari launch .... :nice: COngrats for China deal(8 subs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivaji bhonsle Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Please keep Pakistan out of this thread. We don't have to follow what Chinese toys they buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 36 Rafale Jets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardWarrior Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 No offense but can we have separate threads for India and Pak updates @ mods. Most of us doesnt care much about Pak defense news and having both news in thread will only result in pointless indo-pak arguments Bro, I have no Problem. its upto Mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardWarrior Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 COngrats for China deal(8 subs) Thanks, will share the detail very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardWarrior Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 India to buy 36 Rafale jets in fly-away conditions from France NEW DELHI: In a potential deal that will give a boost to the country's defence capabilities, Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday announced that India is looking to buy thirty six Rafale jets in fly-away conditions from France as soon as possible. The deal with Dassault Aviation has been stuck on cost and gurantee clause. The original Rafale contract was worth $12 billion but was widely estimated to have increased to $20 billion, primarily because of the implications of building some of the jets in India. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/india-to-buy-36-rafale-jets-in-fly-away-conditions-from-france-deal-to-be-worked-out/articleshow/46881597.cms Congrats to IAF and ICFers .... :two_thumbs_up: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 India to buy 36 Rafale jets in fly-away conditions from France http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/india-to-buy-36-rafale-jets-in-fly-away-conditions-from-france-deal-to-be-worked-out/articleshow/46881597.cms Congrats to IAF and ICFers .... :two_thumbs_up: I dont get this 36 number. Its one and half squad. There was a 63 add on possible on top of existing mmrca, this is not it. 80 odd are required to replace mig 27 this is not it, if there is going to be 90 odd followup then mmrca saga continues. MOD during UPA is probably the worst organised body in the history of organizations in live sentient part of universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I dont get this 36 number. Its one and half squad. There was a 63 add on possible on top of existing mmrca' date=' this is not it. 80 odd are required to replace mig 27 this is not it, if there is going to be 90 odd followup then mmrca saga continues. MOD during UPA is probably the worst organised body in the history of organizations in live sentient part of universe.[/quote'] Read more at: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/46881597.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst This is a separate arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SELVAM Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 We should cancel the rafale deal. 1rafale jet cost is around 110 US $ millions. Operational cost is also very high, we should built more SU-30 MKI, it costs around 53 millions us$. Also we will not face much problem with spare parts and operational cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 We should cancel the rafale deal. 1rafale jet cost is around 110 US $ millions. Operational cost is also very high' date=' we should built more SU-30 MKI, it costs around 53 millions us$. Also we will not face much problem with spare parts and operational cost[/quote'] It should be interesting for you to read this. These are estimated radar cross sections of various flying configurations..Rafale has a full config rcs of 1m2 while that of mki is around 4 or allegedly even more. Tejas is around 1.5 for comparison. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm MKI is a large fighter with very big radar but also big rcs, rafale is omnirole platform with very high range and payload( almost 1.6 times that of MKI) rafale has more hardpoints, besides rafale is far more survivable than MKI, super su mki is a different ball game but as of now Rafale is an important addition to IAF as long as Tejas Mk2 and AMCA do not materialize. RCS (m2) RCS (dB) automobile 100 20 B-52 100 B-1(A/B) 10 F-15 25 Su-27 15 cabin cruiser 10 10 Su-MKI 4 Mig-21 3 F-16 5 F-16C 1.2 man 1 0 F-18 1 Rafale 1 B-2 0.75 ? Typhoon 0.5 Tomahawk SLCM 0.5 B-2 0.1 ? A-12/SR-71 0.01 (22 in2) bird 0.01 -20 F-35 / JSF 0.005 -30 F-117 0.003 insect 0.001 -30 F-22 0.0001 -40 B-2 0.0001 -40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Basically fighters are needed to do BVR(beyond visual range) and WVR(within vis range - Dog fight) combat, fighters like f 15 and Su 27/Su30 MKI are invincible in WVR literally, they will eat every other fighter including f 22 in WVR but in BVR is where the new fighters will get them. An airforce without BVR ability will give air superiority to an airforce with BVR immediately, example Kargil war, PAF f 16 did not attempt to face a sole Indian Mig 29, Indian Mig got a lock on a couple of paf f 16 still within pak air space who had to evade leaving the infantry on ground who were getting pounded by Mirages...no f 16 could fly in for any CAS duty...but now PAF have BVR in their f 16's..so India needs stealth to do the same game now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Typhoon Tornado and MKI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Deal Fulfills Urgent Needs Of The IAF There are valid concerns regarding the direct purchase of 36 Rafale aircrafts from France. But, the deal was crucial in the context of the pressing needs of the Indian Air Force. http://swarajyamag.com/world/deal-fulfills-urgent-needs-of-the-iaf/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket_Hacker Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 Aren't Sukhois crashing regularly nowadays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 ^yes. They need to be phased out but new planes aren't coming so they are continued... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 rafale didnt have a good performance in libya and egypt. swamy has threatened to file PIL if this deal goes through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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