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all i am typing is about balance of team and not quality of this world class player :) i got into football watching his team and am glad he will play in premier league but you guys need some one to defend at back badly specially with no leader in back 4 and that is all i was talking about here . get him and your team is set with rooney as striker..
Schweini can defend well enough. If u put him in UCL winnind midfield of Xabi, Di Maria, Modric, he can do Xabi's role pretty well. Xabi is not on the level of Mata's etc defensively but they did have solid back 4 though. We should too after this window, although team chemistry will not be there right away. But Schweini's attacking/creating strength's are best used playing a bit further in central midfield. Anyways the Schneiderlin guy is a genuine defensive midfielder? He has been signed too now lmao :yay: Check bbc What happens for guys like Herrera now? Midfield diamond of Mata, Schweini, Herrara, Schneiderlin perhaps? Maybe go for Juve formation. Wide players are ordinary anyway and show flashes of brilliance for a few games at best.

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More signings to come. Cavani, Benteke, Harry Kane, Benzema, Ottamendi, Ramos, Bale have some possibility of happening. Some more than others. DeGea may stay too unless Real sell us a few. :yay: Casillas leaving and we are too big to let them get DeGea without getting Ramos or Bale. Book the title. If this team gels, and gels quickly which may be difficult then book the title.

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Schweini can defend well enough. If u put him in UCL winnind midfield of Xabi, Di Maria, Modric, he can do Xabi's role pretty well. Xabi is not on the level of Mata's etc defensively but they did have solid back 4 though. We should too after this window, although team chemistry will not be there right away. But Schweini's attacking/creating strength's are best used playing a bit further in central midfield. Anyways the Schneiderlin guy is a genuine defensive midfielder? He has been signed too now lmao :yay: Check bbc What happens for guys like Herrera now? Midfield diamond of Mata, Schweini, Herrara, Schneiderlin perhaps? Maybe go for Juve formation. Wide players are ordinary anyway and show flashes of brilliance for a few games at best.
Schneiderlin would be ideal foil alongside Schweini in midfield. Those two and AdM in midfield diamond with Mata behind a front two would be very good.
Yes Schneiderlin is a genuine DM and is decent on the ball too, keeps it ticking anyway.

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Schweini can defend well enough. If u put him in UCL winnind midfield of Xabi, Di Maria, Modric, he can do Xabi's role pretty well. Xabi is not on the level of Mata's etc defensively but they did have solid back 4 though. We should too after this window, although team chemistry will not be there right away. But Schweini's attacking/creating strength's are best used playing a bit further in central midfield. Anyways the Schneiderlin guy is a genuine defensive midfielder? He has been signed too now lmao :yay: Check bbc What happens for guys like Herrera now? Midfield diamond of Mata, Schweini, Herrara, Schneiderlin perhaps? Maybe go for Juve formation. Wide players are ordinary anyway and show flashes of brilliance for a few games at best.
Ok you remember World Cup right ? Remember who was playing with him in mid field ? Everyone remembers guys like kroos since he joined mad rid but there was another Madrid player there who left now :winky: That's what I am talking about he is not being compared to xabi but carrick and him if played together will be like xabi and him being played together . Even freaking fabregas has. Dry high interceptions under mou and tackles 5 highest in league behind guys like magic ,shneiderlin and few other guys but he will never do well alone with another player like him unless it's barca but even they have busquetes :cantstop:
Yes Schneiderlin is a genuine DM and is decent on the ball too' date=' keeps it ticking anyway.[/quote'] Yep I wanted him to join Chelsea but there is no way he will start every game so United is best option and he will make them title contenders ..I rate him that high . He was reason United got defeated by saints it was world class performance ..

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Now to your other question ..well United is one club in world which does not needs to sell so maybe they do bayern and create almost two elevens and keeps guys like Herrera but I am not sure mata will be happy . And never compare mata with xabi as they are totally different players he to me is compared to silva and silva is better ..

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Ok you remember World Cup right ? Remember who was playing with him in mid field ? Everyone remembers guys like kroos since he joined mad rid but there was another Madrid player there who left now :winky: That's what I am talking about he is not being compared to xabi but carrick and him if played together will be like xabi and him being played together . Even freaking fabregas has. Dry high interceptions under mou and tackles 5 highest in league behind guys like magic ,shneiderlin and few other guys but he will never do well alone with another player like him unless it's barca but even they have busquetes :cantstop: Yep I wanted him to join Chelsea but there is no way he will start every game so United is best option and he will make them title contenders ..I rate him that high . He was reason United got defeated by saints it was world class performance ..
Khedira was out for most of that year. Don't go based off just the final or whatever was written on reddit. If I recall correctly vs Bayern where they did not concede pretty sure 4-2-3-1 was being played with Xabi in Matic' position. 4-3-3 with Khedira was in final. Xabi started twice as more games I would guess. Infact check how many starts Khedira had, I cbf. They had 4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1 but most of the time even with 4-3-3 midfield was Xabi-Modric-Di Maria check the champions league semi final. I cant remember now if I had to guess Xabi was out because of yellow cards or something and second choice Khedira came in for final. Who is better defensively but not at distributing ball. That's not to say they still didn't get that far with Xabi. Xabi was their main ball winner for most of the season but he is not on the level of Matic. also stop doing this chitty :winky: :wall: Busquets is complete.

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Khedira was out for most of that year. Don't go based of the final. If I recall correctly in their toughest 2 games where they did not concede pretty sure 4-2-3-1 was being played with Xabi in Matic' role :winky: also stop doing this chitty :winky: :wall:
which game ? you are missing the point i am not saying that it does not work ever but that was major weakness when teams just pressed both of them (keep in mind bundesliga presses the most in world ) not conceding only means bayern were good enough and dominated in other areas too and xabi is pretty good at distributing the ball so when they dominated he was perfect but problem was when top 4 teams in bundesliga just did not give them inch and it lead to counters with neuer sweeping (remember the game you told me about ? ) or games where they lost badly here you thought they were still in winter break but trend continued even in dfk cup and then champions league .. you are making same mistake you did with kroos you are forgetting difference between cm and cdm ..he might be best all round midfielder but you just cannot partner with him another guy like carrick and hope for best..

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Khedira was out for most of that year. Don't go based off just the final or whatever was written on reddit. If I recall correctly vs Bayern where they did not concede pretty sure 4-2-3-1 was being played with Xabi in Matic' position. 4-3-3 with Khedira was in final. Xabi started twice as more games I would guess. Infact check how many starts Khedira had, I cbf. They had 4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1 but most of the time even with 4-3-3 midfield was Xabi-Modric-Di Maria check the champions league semi final. I cant remember now if I had to guess Xabi was out because of yellow cards or something and second choice Khedira came in for final. Who is better defensively but not at distributing ball. That's not to say they still didn't get that far with Xabi. Xabi was their main ball winner for most of the season but he is not on the level of Matic. also stop doing this chitty :winky: :wall: Busquets is complete.
sigh you are mixing world cup and champions league :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: germany looked most balanced when khadira was playing with schwenstieger and trust me real madrid were far from perfect but when you have team that good also team which is best at pressing and has midfieder like modric it can cover things up but what happened this season ?they ended up playing ramos there!

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which game ? you are missing the point i am not saying that it does not work ever but that was major weakness when teams just pressed both of them (keep in mind bundesliga presses the most in world ) not conceding only means bayern were good enough and dominated in other areas too and xabi is pretty good at distributing the ball so when they dominated he was perfect but problem was when top 4 teams in bundesliga just did not give them inch and it lead to counters with neuer sweeping (remember the game you told me about ? ) or games where they lost badly here you thought they were still in winter break but trend continued even in dfk cup and then champions league .. you are making same mistake you did with kroos you are forgetting difference between cm and cdm ..he might be best all round midfielder but you just cannot partner with him another guy like carrick and hope for best..
No Im talking about Real season in my post, can't discuss last season. anyways fark that 4-3-3 can be used now cause Schneiderlin is in Say we didn't have him and needed Schweini in that role. He would have done a good enough job like Xabi was able to but is better utilised at CM because of what he has to offer. Carrick is ageing and Carrick even in his prime was overrun by bigger sides in UCL. He was always good enough in UCL but defensively Fletcher was the main ball winner, Carrick is not a genuine DM. I personally have noticed Schweini's presence there more than him defensively. So if we did not have Schneiderlin rather Schweini than Carrick in that position. But Schweini is best at CM anyways because he can contribute more to the attack. So all good now.

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khadira does not even play for madrid much he never worked there so giving his example is wrong .. this year even after injuries with no midielder madrid choose ramos over him and clearly the manager wanted to play him but florentino wanted him out so lets not talk about games played

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No Im talking about Real season in my post, can't discuss last season. anyways fark that 4-3-3 can be used now cause Schneiderlin is in Say we didn't have him and needed Schweini in that role. He would have done a good enough job like Xabi was able to but is better utilised at CM because of what he has to offer. Carrick is ageing and Carrick even in his prime was overrun by bigger sides in UCL. He was always good enough in UCL but defensively Fletcher was the main ball winner, Carrick is not a genuine DM. I personally have noticed Schweini's presence there more than him defensively. So if we did not have Schneiderlin rather Schweini than Carrick in that position. But Schweini is best at CM anyways because he can contribute more to the attack. So all good now.
that is why i said carrick and schwenstiger wont work and that you guys needed another signing . also there is huge difference between being good at defending for central midfielder and doing that from pivot alone .. kroos got destroyed playing for one of the best team in world doing that without modric and i think you rated him high defensively ? anyway united clearly know this too so they will sign him

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sigh you are mixing world cup and champions league :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: germany looked most balanced when khadira was playing with schwenstieger and trust me real madrid were far from perfect but when you have team that good also team which is best at pressing and has midfieder like modric it can cover things up but what happened this season ?they ended up playing ramos there!
Now Im more confused. Have a critisiced Khedira anywhere? He is good at defending like I said. He is not as good at distributing ball like I said. He was out for most of Real's season like I said where they pretty much shut out Bayern. Also in the world cup many games Lahm played where Khedira played but I suppose did better at right back. Khedira played half the time there. Who else could Gemany play there bar them 2 anyways? Cmon now things are not covered up against a side on a 50+ game streak like Bayern was at the time. Argument is over :hehe: I declare myself the winner of the argument. :proud: Whatever the argument was :confused: Im just getting feeling Im in a debate here.

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Now Im more confused. Have a critisiced Khedira anywhere? He is good at defending like I said. He is not as good at distributing ball like I said. He was out for most of Real's season like I said where they pretty much shut out Bayern. Also in the world cup many games Lahm played where Khedira played but I suppose did better at right back. Who else could Gemany play there bar them 2 anyways? Cmon now things are not covered up against a side on a 50+ game streak like Bayern was at the time. Argument is over :hehe:
this is dumb so dumb GERMANY-formation-tactics.png still schwenstieger not playing where you wanted him to play .. :cantstop:

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this is dumb so dumb GERMANY-formation-tactics.png still schwenstieger not playing where you wanted him to play .. :cantstop:
Oh so that's what your saying. CM can't play in DM. Well in 2013/14 season Schweinstiger and Lahm did play holding role. Lahm more often. Schweini most games CM. Don't tell me you thought I thought Schweini played DM in WC. Carrick is not a DM either in that case. Not for most of his career anyway....:hehe: Schweini is good defensively not on level of Matic or genuine DM's. Check my posts above, I have said Schweini is better used at CM, tell me if I have not said that. He can however be used at DM where "DM" Carrick is used That seals the debate for me surely :--D Go home boy

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Oh so that's what your saying. CM can't play in DM. Well in 2013/14 season Schweinstiger and Lahm did play holding role. Lahm more often. Schweini most games CM. Don't tell me you thought I thought Schweini played DM in WC. Carrick is not a DM either in that case. Not for most of his career anyway....:hehe: Schweini is good defensively not on level of Matic or genuine DM's. Check my posts above, I have said Schweini is better used at CM, tell me if I have not said that. He can however be used at DM where "DM" Carrick is used That seals the debate for me surely :--D Go home boy
from my first post you did not read anything :cantstop: that is exactly what i said that to use him with proper defensive midfielder and he will beast through and wont work with carrick who controls tempo and does not really do job what is needed . also no he cannot be used in carrick role that is not something he can do but some one kroos can do better ..its different type of midfielder from schwnestieger and see gaurdiola used xabi there over him .. anyway i know you well enough now to know that you got what i said but you wont admit it :P so lets talk about something else if you have so much free time .. BTW sterling to city done now they will go for KDB :fear:

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from my first post you did not read anything :cantstop: that is exactly what i said that to use him with proper defensive midfielder and he will beast through and wont work with carrick who controls tempo and does not really do job what is needed . also no he cannot be used in carrick role that is not something he can do but some one kroos can do better ..its different type of midfielder from schwnestieger and see gaurdiola used xabi there over him .. anyway i know you well enough now to know that you got what i said but you wont admit it :P so lets talk about something else if you have so much free time .. BTW sterling to city done now they will go for KDB :fear:
Prime Schweini=King of all trades like I have said for his position. And I read that, but I did specifically say if we had not signed Schneiderlin, you read that now. Then Schweini plays, Carrick bench. Since we have Schneiderlin Schweini at CM. No I never lose debates in my book :--D When I start following, Im gonna look out for 1 mistake and pounce. You better watch your back. Im gonna out debate the chit out of you. :finger: How much money, that has to be real big money? :fear: The fecking restrictions are lifted :mad: wtf fark is KDB short for?

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Schweinstiger Wiki, this was qualifying for Euro 2012

Schweinsteiger established himself as first choice as defensive midfielder in Germany's qualifying group. He played five matches – once against each opponent: Belgium, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Austria and Turkey – and helped Germany win 10 out of 10 games, scoring once and providing one assist.
And dude, I can't exactly pinpoint which game but during 13/14 season there were games where he played holding role rather than usual CM. Lahm did too at times. Martinez often played center back or there. Schweini in prime was good enough. I don't want to comment on current him until I see him. But like I have said above, at CM his attacking and creating strengths are far better utilised. He scored like 10 a season in prime from CM for Bayern. Only if we had not signed Scneiderlin, then prime Schweini could have filled that position and done well. And enough to put Carrick on the bench. What your saying is modern Schweini is not same. Fair enough. Which striker do you think we should sign btw out of Benteke, Cavani, Benzema, Kane?

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Benzema is perfect.. benteke is bad for your play style Kane won't come and cavani I do not think he has been playing well Also forgive me but I do not know how players were earlier so cannot only comment on recent season and I gave you formations of recent years and even players to make point and I don't care about debate :p Also sterling is for like 50 million pounds and KDB you don't know him ? :omg: Kevin de bryune:D

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Benzema is perfect.. benteke is bad for your play style Kane won't come and cavani I do not think he has been playing well Also forgive me but I do not know how players were earlier so cannot only comment on recent season and I gave you formations of recent years and even players to make point and I don't care about debate :p Also sterling is for like 50 million pounds and KDB you don't know him ? :omg: Kevin de bryune:D
I didn't know KDB nickname but I do know De Bryune. He was among talented players I supported for Belgium. He only became really big this year. Bundesliga's best I read. KXIP knew he was talented before he became big :yay:

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Benzema is perfect.. benteke is bad for your play style Kane won't come and cavani I do not think he has been playing well Also forgive me but I do not know how players were earlier so cannot only comment on recent season and I gave you formations of recent years and even players to make point and I don't care about debate :p Also sterling is for like 50 million pounds and KDB you don't know him ? :omg: Kevin de bryune:D
Was he on loan or sold. Chelsea don't still have him right? :nervous: Why not care about debate? It's so important. You should see this forum I visit, so many rivalries, so many scores kept. It's awesome, not football realted but still hilarious! It makes it competitive like ss, there always has to be a score like 3-1 or AVI bets. :cantstop:

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Was he on loan or sold. Chelsea don't still have him right? :nervous: Why not care about debate? It's so important. You should see this forum I visit, so many rivalries, so many scores kept. It's awesome, not football realted but still hilarious! It makes it competitive like ss, there always has to be a score like 3-1 or AVI bets. :cantstop:
Yes until you run away Anyway city is going for him not Chelsea ,.lhe again does not fit defending with whole team philosophy of mou:cantstop:

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Yes until you run away Anyway city is going for him not Chelsea ,.lhe again does not fit defending with whole team philosophy of mou:cantstop:
:hysterical: True. But I kept chicken bet :finger: Mou :hail: Also yeah confirmed Chelsea sold him not loaned. They are balanced enough anyways.

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That is why he staying at Chelsea ..he can make team he wants he has control (cech was exception as he is legend ) Wee need 2 more players specially as back up for fabregas and Matic so let's see what he does :nervous:

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Anyway man I have to go but city looking too strong now they have no restriction hey will spend as much as United .. Also ffp might be dead in year or so anyway so it won't matter much in future ..some teams are even challenging it in court and as you can see it's already getting less strict as city and Chelsea can spend 150 million without selling . They can frankly go for pogba too or reus if they wanted to

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Anyway man I have to go but city looking too strong now they have no restriction hey will spend as much as United .. Also ffp might be dead in year or so anyway so it won't matter much in future ..some teams are even challenging it in court and as you can see it's already getting less strict as city and Chelsea can spend 150 million without selling . They can frankly go for pogba too or reus if they wanted to
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Depay' date=' Darmian, Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin. Definitely the best transfer window of ANY club in the world this transfer season till now. And I expect some more, especially a striker.[/quote'] its only starting ...just wait for madrid to got mad again and also city and psg:cantstop:

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Bayern in first few games of 13/14 under Pep 2mdqla8.jpg Schweini played either CM or like this as DM during season after this. Later in the season Lahm moved to DM for game against Real. Lahm in midfield 3 vs united with Schweini in center of 4-5-1 in 1st leg. Rafinha to RB. Has been 1st choice DM for Germany in the past as above. As I said, very versatile but his attacking and creating strengths best used slightly higher up. Under Heynkes he played CM. Usually 4-2-3-1. But remember Matic is also CM, Xabi was also CM when Real played this formation instead of 4-3-3. You know what Matic role is. Their role involves winning ball or did in their respective teams. Xabi and Schweini were equally good at distribution. Matic is ace of defending, prime Schweini, Xabi were kings of defending and ace of passing. Schweini not playing there in 14/15 does not mean he cannot, being versatile means he can play there or in CM. In CM his attacking and creating abilities are used more. I could post formations of Lahm in CM or DM last season and claim he can't be RB. But in reality he can do great in both. Going back to your posts on my opinion of Kroos. I did not say anything about his defensive skills initially. I always said he was excellent passer, long shooter and one of the stars of that season before Real. I also said he was defending really well too and covering lots of ground per game which he was. By defending really well too it was once he had joined Real and contributed nicely defensively in central midfield initially in the couple of games I watched. I was impressed by him from defensive point of view also ie and he later had poor games I suppose playing as a DM rather than CM. So there's the difference, rating someone as good in defense vs being impressed by how they are doing defensively recently. Did I ever say Kroos is >Khedira, Matic, Busquets, Mascha defensively? No. I never said he was a defensive midfielder either but a CM. Im getting the impression you think I did not know difference, but I do probably since 10 years ago and told you earlier when you started. Said he was a deep lying playmaker for Real, would stay deeper than Modric not someone who should be used as DM. He is still among the best ball distributors in the world. Passing statistics are among the best for anyone in his position. I rated him as the best CM in the world, and based off his performances in 13/14 and WC, he was among the top 5 at least.

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Depay' date=' Darmian, Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin. Definitely the best transfer window of ANY club in the world this transfer season till now. And I expect some more, especially a striker.[/quote'] Hernandez, Rafael on way out. De Gea I think himself wants to go so can't do much. Valdes will do for 1 season. 1 striker needed. Ottamendi also. Shaw, Rojo, Januzaj may step up this season. Depay is really talented.

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See' date=' Schweinsteiger isn't just a great player - he is also a leader. That's something ManUtd have lacked since Vidic/Giggs/Scholes etc left. His experience will be invaluable in big matches.[/quote'] Yes. And now we need leader in defense like Ottamendi. Who was like leader for Valencia and they conceded less than Madrid.

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Bayern in first few games of 13/14 under Pep 2mdqla8.jpg Schweini played either CM or like this as DM during season after this. Later in the season Lahm moved to DM for game against Real. Lahm in midfield 3 vs united with Schweini in center of 4-5-1 in 1st leg. Rafinha to RB. Has been 1st choice DM for Germany in the past as above. As I said, very versatile but his attacking and creating strengths best used slightly higher up. Under Heynkes he played CM. Usually 4-2-3-1. But remember Matic is also CM, Xabi was also CM when Real played this formation instead of 4-3-3. You know what Matic role is. Their role involves winning ball or did in their respective teams. Xabi and Schweini were equally good at distribution. Matic is ace of defending, prime Schweini, Xabi were kings of defending and ace of passing. Schweini not playing there in 14/15 does not mean he cannot, being versatile means he can play there or in CM. In CM his attacking and creating abilities are used more. I could post formations of Lahm in CM or DM last season and claim he can't be RB. But in reality he can do great in both. Going back to your posts on my opinion of Kroos. I did not say anything about his defensive skills initially. I always said he was excellent passer, long shooter and one of the stars of that season before Real. I also said he was defending really well too and covering lots of ground per game which he was. By defending really well too it was once he had joined Real and contributed nicely defensively in central midfield initially in the couple of games I watched. I was impressed by him from defensive point of view also ie and he later had poor games I suppose playing as a DM rather than CM. So there's the difference, rating someone as good in defense vs being impressed by how they are doing defensively recently. Did I ever say Kroos is >Khedira, Matic, Busquets, Mascha defensively? No. I never said he was a defensive midfielder either but a CM. Im getting the impression you think I did not know difference, but I do probably since 10 years ago and told you earlier when you started. Said he was a deep lying playmaker for Real, would stay deeper than Modric not someone who should be used as DM. He is still among the best ball distributors in the world. Passing statistics are among the best for anyone in his position. I rated him as the best CM in the world, and based off his performances in 13/14 and WC, he was among the top 5 at least.
see first of all problem here is i never said he cannot defend i said he will not do well with carrick playing right infront of defence and i am not doubting that he is capable of playing in that position but i said from start it wont be ideal position . now you gave me this example when i already told you i did not see football back then and i am only judging based on past season and some big games in earlier season and said from start this is what i think of him today . now last thing...i will never use guardiola team as example about midfielders as that guy has different style and his teams dominate at every level of field every inch that is his philosophy a midfielder in guadiola team can bad bad at defending part but if he is good at pressing and getting ball he will work and for him passing is of most importance and that is reason he choose thiago over any midfielder bayern has and put javi martinez in defence ...it can work in specific systems but i was talking about united team and tbh with schneiderlin it will work like germany in world cup and its ideal situation and that is what i wanted united to do . also i never said you rated kroos as defensive midfielder but you did say he is good at defending and you literally said he is best midfielder in world and him and modric are best midfield partnership in world but in reality that did not happen because while he is pretty good at covering and good all round midfielder when left in pivot it was not ideal and he was at his most effective when distributing ball in middle and similarly schwenstieger from what i saw with bayern was not comfortable playing with xabi in that position so i wanted to forget about passing and get lesser passer than carrick but some one more reliable which will give schwenstieger the freedom . i know who bad at defending midfielders are like toure or even pogba and schwenstieger is 100 times better and all rounder and TBH he will do pretty good for united if he is forced to play there but its not ideal atleast not based on his last 2 years ..(hope i made it clear ) also i am confused about what you wrote about matic ...he is not CM he is DM or CDM and plays role which schneiderlin will play for united now and he is not comparable to schwenstieger at all... a defensive performance considered good for CM is not compareable to DM as where they play on field is totally different . 2e7RWJl.jpg just check this image... none of the players you mentioned are comparable to role i am talking about ..i am talking about role javi martinez played in bayern ..sure position in formation is similar but what they do on pitch is different and where they move etc ..schwenstiger is always advance on pitch .his role is not to cover for every midfielder or every opening his role is to play deep and make plays and advance and create chances and score goals ... think of it this way ...schewenstieger scored 10 goals but he probably did that near the goal so some one must have covered when he went forward right ? that covering job will be done by schneiderlin.. now defensive ability you are talking about is ability to tackle and win the ball in midfield but that is different from defending right infront of centre backs and shielding back 4/5 and covering the gaps in midfield .. all iam trying to say is there is difference between being good at defending for midfielder and doing the job like busquetes ..

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btw want to make it clear schwenstieger can most probably play this role too from what i have seen as he does have ability to read game and tackle and physically when fit he is beast (i remember world cup final ) but why would you play top 5 CM in world who can score goals create chances and control tempo higher up and also defend decently higher up at defensive mid ??' it was such a waste ..like having race car for traveling in city during rush hour :headshake: he is not gonna score goals form what position or create as much chances ...you can either be defensive midfielder or go play higher up pitch both cannot happen at same time . btw this is also reason likes of herrera did not start as your team never had proper cover in midfiled for someone like him .. i hope i am clear now as earlier i thought you were just having fun.. also keep in mind i am talking about when he is in good form unlike last year with bayern where he honestly did not do that role well..

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see first of all problem here is i never said he cannot defend i said he will not do well with carrick playing right infront of defence and i am not doubting that he is capable of playing in that position but i said from start it wont be ideal position . Yes he definitely is and he has in his prime done it really well. he is not just a CM like I have been saying. You agree now. :two_thumbs_up: Never said Carrick needs to play, we were assuming no Schneiderlin. So Schweini Herrara now you gave me this example when i already told you i did not see football back then and i am only judging based on past season and some big games in earlier season and said from start this is what i think of him today . Im not judging present Schweini I will when I see present Schweini now last thing...i will never use guardiola team as example about midfielders as that guy has different style and his teams dominate at every level of field every inch that is his philosophy No. 1 DM for Germany before Guardiola, fact is like Lahm doing job in multiple positions he can do job there. Like I've been saying only if there was no Schneiderlin. What I wanted to clear up was how earlier you said he is a CM, no way. You understand though. :two_thumbs_up: a midfielder in guadiola team can bad bad at defending part but if he is good at pressing and getting ball he will work and for him passing is of most importance and that is reason he choose thiago over any midfielder bayern has and put javi martinez in defence ...it can work in specific systems but i was talking about united team and tbh with schneiderlin it will work like germany in world cup and its ideal situation and that is what i wanted united to do . Yes a midfielder good at pressing and getting the ball he will work. also i never said you rated kroos as defensive midfielder but you did say he is good at defending and you literally said he is best midfielder in world and him and modric are best midfield partnership in world but in reality that did not happen because while he is pretty good at covering and good all round midfielder when left in pivot it was not ideal and he was at his most effective when distributing ball in middle and similarly schwenstieger from what i saw with bayern was not comfortable playing with xabi in that position so i wanted to forget about passing and get lesser passer than carrick but some one more reliable which will give schwenstieger the freedom . I said he has done well recently in defense as well it's different I also said it's hard to pick. Ill pick Kroos. Why not after 13/14 he had, many had him in World XI for a reason. He still is one of the best ball distributors in the world. Excellent control, and next season he may get better. I don't care how he was at DM, I never said he should be there. So don't use example of his failures at DM. His passing is amongst the best in the world. But Perhaps him Modric and someone similar to Khedira at DM are needed as trio. i know who bad at defending midfielders are like toure or even pogba and schwenstieger is 100 times better and all rounder and TBH he will do pretty good for united if he is forced to play there but its not ideal atleast not based on his last 2 years ..(hope i made it clear ) That's what I have been saying. Just wanted to clear out what was said earlier above about CM/DM. He can't play there etc. He is only CM etc. also i am confused about what you wrote about matic ...he is not CM he is DM or CDM and plays role which schneiderlin will play for united now and he is not comparable to schwenstieger at all... Well I'd like to clear up any doubt if I compared his style to Schweini at all. His primary role is ball winning. When in 4-3-2 Chelsea formation he is officially playing as the midfield 2 although in reality he is deeper as DM. Schweini and Xabi have played in a similar position in 4-3-2 (Xabi for Real, Schweini for Bayern) having ball winning role for their clubs/countries at times too (Schweini lesser for Bayern cause Martinez was there), does not mean their style and impact on the game is similar to Matic. They are less effective ball winners when in similar position to Matic in 4-3-2 but better distributors. Im not comparing their styles or impact on the game. Different things. a defensive performance considered good for CM is not compareable to DM as where they play on field is totally different . That's obvious to me tbh... I didn't compare Kroos defence to Matic? Also there are different types of DM's. Pirlo is more a deep playmaker. His other role barring long balls is to simply distribute ball transition defence into attack. Ball winners are further up like Vidal. Busquets is a complete DM. He does both. It does not mean a team will fail. Just means different players have different strengths and not everyone has Busquets. 2e7RWJl.jpg just check this image... none of the players you mentioned are comparable to role i am talking about ..i am talking about role javi martinez played in bayern ..sure position in formation is similar but what they do on pitch is different and where they move etc ..schwenstiger is always advance on pitch .his role is not to cover for every midfielder or every opening his role is to play deep and make plays and advance and create chances and score goals ... He can play both roles well. And I already know what his role is as CM and have stated above he is better there. Remember the whole argument was he can't play at DM but that's sorted now... think of it this way ...schewenstieger scored 10 goals but he probably did that near the goal so some one must have covered when he went forward right ? that covering job will be done by schneiderlin.. Yes when Schweini plays CM now defensive ability you are talking about is ability to tackle and win the ball in midfield but that is different from defending right infront of centre backs and shielding back 4/5 and covering the gaps in midfield .. That I agree there are options better than Schweini. But as above he has played there and done the job well, why he is king of all trades. As above better at CM, still pretty good DM, but if you have someone like Schneiderlin then use him where he is best. all iam trying to say is there is difference between being good at defending for midfielder and doing the job like busquetes ..
Yes, not everyone has Busquets, Ill repeat 50th time in my reply, the initial discussion was he cannot play there. ^i thought separating may take time so I wrote inside quote

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btw want to make it clear schwenstieger can most probably play this role too from what i have seen as he does have ability to read game and tackle and physically when fit he is beast (i remember world cup final ) but why would you play top 5 CM in world who can score goals create chances and control tempo higher up and also defend decently higher up at defensive mid ??' As above Ill repeat It's not that big a difference in his effectiveness like Lahm...there is a reason he was Germany's No.1 in that position. But I agree have at CM if some1 is already there. Unless u want Carrick at DM, who is a genuine CM. But now we agree. Best at CM can play DM it was such a waste ..like having race car for traveling in city during rush hour :headshake: he is not gonna score goals form what position or create as much chances ...you can either be defensive midfielder or go play higher up pitch both cannot happen at same time . btw this is also reason likes of herrera did not start as your team never had proper cover in midfiled for someone like him .. will not start? or are you talking about something else? This is unclear. Ofcourse Herrara will start if Schweini is at DM. Schweini, Herrara and Mata/DiMaria. Better than Carrick Schweini etc i hope i am clear now as earlier i thought you were just having fun.. Yes we have cleared up he can play DM but can also play CM and play better there. there is basically no longer an argument....except for Kroos stuff. You will see next season, what a player is one season not all of them will be same next season. But I do believe Kroos Modric with a good DM should be best in world. My initial prediction was based off a 4-3-2-1, I suppose they stopped playing that? Unfortunately it would leave out Isco/James if Kroos was CM, these guys who run at teams more. It is not possible to leave James, he too is really good in his position and succeeded from what you told me. Was it a 4-3-3? I feel Modric can do what he does too his dribbling is excellent. Kroos is forced to play DM which is not ideal. Where he gets overrun. His passing was still excellent until December and I doubt that changed. Remember he was CM for Bayern and Germany that season where he stood out. Kroos passing is not noticed as much cause he is not getting the killer through balls like James, how accurate and consistent it is compared to others is amazing. He may be overrun when opp is on ball in a DM role but I cannot understand if in CM role like for Bayern and Germany in 14/15 with his pass distribution he isn't in top 5 that season. You noticed weak points in Kroos. Those weak points was him being overrun, now if that is not his key job and his job is distribute as CM, is his passing also a weakness? No, it is atleast in top 5 if not among the best like in 13/14. When it's a hard call, it isn't impossible to pick him in World XI for that year and many did. Ball Control, great passing, excellent long shooting what more from a CM that sits deep and distributes? also keep in mind i am talking about when he is in good form unlike last year with bayern where he honestly did not do that role well..
Well I agree with this. You have not seen prime Schweini enough and I have not seen modern Schweini lets see how he fits in. ^Same as above, reply in quotes

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Also Ill have to sit down, carefully read your next response. Then slowly make response. Clearly think replies, take time and return with an argument of my own. I won't be able to do this tomorrow, Ill find time later in week. Ill take longer next time, get more thoughts going into argument. See u later.

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Yes, not everyone has Busquets, Ill repeat 50th time in my reply, the initial discussion was he cannot play there. ^i thought separating may take time so I wrote inside quote
no the whole argument was he cannot play defensive midfield with carrick as that partnership wont work. if he is DM then there better be some one like thiago doing the attack part as i just cannot understand how carrick and him will work together and that was the entire argument of mine .. same way schwenstieger even in his prime would not work in xabi this is what i was talking about earlier now you are just picking and choosing what i wrote obviously any world class midfielder can play DM specially if he is good reader of game but you are completely ignoring the partnership and who plays with him . kroos and modric works but kroos and fabregas will never work or just playing kroos and schwensteiger will never work and you need lahm there to stay behind ..this is what i was talking about and this is the point you are just not getting . this is my last comment on this so just gonna quote how this entire thing started so we can stop discussing about things i never said
but he was no where near his best and with possesion system united has similar to bayern he was major weakness in middle when played along with xabi ..
you guys need schneiderlin still and with him it can work very well
see this was my first comment you can go back and read. now after that..
i know it does not makes sense when i say world class midfielder did not do well in possesion system but its not about when he had ball its about when he did not had ball and team pressed both xabi and him and it lead to so many goals and its was big reason bayern struggled against every big team in bundesliga when both of them were playing
and again all i am typing is about balance of team and not quality of this world class player :) . i can go on and on ... in your mind its very simple that he is cm who can defend and can play dm...sure he can but that strictly also depends on style team plays and who his partner is as even in my first comment i said in slow "possession system " he will not work and with guy like carrick or xabi ...he may very well work in system man city has or earlier high pressing system bayern had . you never understood what i was saying and got fixated with position in formation anyway rest of comment about game i will pm you as i am derailing this thread and i think i will be able to explain and understand you more clearly there .. also will pm you some actual game incident :P

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no the whole argument was he cannot play defensive midfield with carrick as that partnership wont work. if he is DM then there better be some one like thiago doing the attack part as i just cannot understand how carrick and him will work together and that was the entire argument of mine .. same way schwenstieger even in his prime would not work in xabi this is what i was talking about earlier now you are just picking and choosing what i wrote obviously any world class midfielder can play DM specially if he is good reader of game but you are completely ignoring the partnership and who plays with him . kroos and modric works but kroos and fabregas will never work or just playing kroos and schwensteiger will never work and you need lahm there to stay behind ..this is what i was talking about and this is the point you are just not getting . this is my last comment on this so just gonna quote how this entire thing started so we can stop discussing about things i never said see this was my first comment you can go back and read. now after that.. and again all i am typing is about balance of team and not quality of this world class player :) . i can go on and on ... in your mind its very simple that he is cm who can defend and can play dm...sure he can but that strictly also depends on style team plays and who his partner is as even in my first comment i said in slow "possession system " he will not work and with guy like carrick or xabi ...he may very well work in system man city has or earlier high pressing system bayern had . you never understood what i was saying and got fixated with position in formation actually wait i will try to find some actual good analysis of games :winky:
Bedtime now. Skimmed through and got the jist of what is being said. you are telling me he cannot play as DM with Carrick in CM, or in midfield in general because it upsets balance, because it will not work. As you can see above that is what I have written. I have him DM Herrera CM, you missed that part... Also Im now off to bed but I can grab a quote above saying something like. No he is a CM, not a DM. Later we agreed sure he can and successfully has in his prime. So yeah...don't accuse me of saying play Schweini with carrick. In your mind its that simple blah blah blah. The argument was not about that initially and I can ask u to try find a quote saying I want to play them 2 together but u won't...I never said that will help balance or work. Neither did I ever say Fabregas Kroos will or will not work. why am i being accused of this again? They are very similar but Fabregas gets forward more often, or has at times for Spain. Don't exaggerate this now. Why discuss this at all when I never said anything about it. But u did mention he cannot play DM. That he is CM only.....initially And dude how much time on this today. I cannot continue argument tomorrow. Later in the week. Also if u have only seen modern Schweini after 4/5 month injury then lets treat him as a different person and player and not make conclusions like it's him in prime? We have to see how he is first this season. It can take time after such a long injury some like Kaka fall away completely after such injuries. he was once best in world, ballon dor ahead of CR7 but at 29 fell away, after long injuries. Lets see and decide how he is nowadays first.

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Bedtime now. Skimmed through and got the jist of what is being said. you are telling me he cannot play as DM with Carrick in CM, or in midfield in general because it upsets balance, because it will not work. As you can see above that is what I have written. I have him DM Herrera CM, you missed that part... Also Im now off to bed but I can grab a quote above saying something like. No he is a CM, not a DM. Later we agreed sure he can and successfully has in his prime. So yeah...don't accuse me of saying play Schweini with carrick. In your mind its that simple blah blah blah. The argument was not about that initially and I can ask u to try find a quote saying I want to play them 2 together but u won't...I never said that will help balance or work. Neither did I ever say Fabregas Kroos will or will not work. why am i being accused of this again? They are very similar but Fabregas gets forward more often, or has at times for Spain. Don't exaggerate this now. Why discuss this at all when I never said anything about it. But u did mention he cannot play DM. That he is CM only.....initially And dude how much time on this today. I cannot continue argument tomorrow. Later in the week. Also if u have only seen modern Schweini after 4/5 month injury then lets treat him as a different person and player and not make conclusions like it's him in prime? We have to see how he is first this season. It can take time after such a long injury some like Kaka fall away completely after such injuries. he was once best in world, ballon dor ahead of CR7 but at 29 fell away, after long injuries. Lets see and decide how he is nowadays first.
i have said it from start that i am talking about current player and i do not know how he was 2 years back and talking about his prime is useless and so is talking about formation used in 2011 . fabregas was example of my point and deliberately extreme so that you understand what i am trying to say but anyway this is problem of thinking of discussion as argument you want to win or lose instead of trying to understand main point people get into pedantic details .. yes i realise talking about kroos and fabregas does not change anything about this guy and means nothing but that was not what iwas going for i was giving example how some one might work in pivot with one partner and one play style but wont work in other system . anyway i already sent you pm explaining my point with help of actual expert analysis so hopefully it will clear out everything. also lastly i do not get what you mean by herrera cm ? again that wont work as herrera as he is very light weight and he either needs some beastly dm or system where there number advantage in middle ..just see herrera play defensively he was very mediocre and playing that deep a liability (again reason LVG did not use him much even though when he played you created almost double chances per game :giggle:) he is just too light weight much much lighter than kroos and schwenstieger currently does not compare to modric and those two barely work ..(again this is comparison to explain what i am trying to say ) infact it will be much worse than carrick and schwenstieger partnership ..carrick one i can see working as he has discipline to not lose ball so in most matches it wont be troublesome but this partnership will be suicide :cantstop: anyway i am done . sorry everyone :p on topic great signing and i am very excited and cant wait to see united this year because of him (total change from last year ) also another transfer complete begovic to chelsea done :nice: he is very high quality goal keeper for back up and i could not be happier ..he is no cech but good enough that we do not have to worry about injury to courtois...

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i have said it from start that i am talking about current player and i do not know how he was 2 years back and talking about his prime is useless and so is talking about formation used in 2011 . fabregas was example of my point and deliberately extreme so that you understand what i am trying to say but anyway this is problem of thinking of discussion as argument you want to win or lose instead of trying to understand main point people get into pedantic details .. yes i realise talking about kroos and fabregas does not change anything about this guy and means nothing but that was not what iwas going for i was giving example how some one might work in pivot with one partner and one play style but wont work in other system . anyway i already sent you pm explaining my point with help of actual expert analysis so hopefully it will clear out everything. also lastly i do not get what you mean by herrera cm ? again that wont work as herrera as he is very light weight and he either needs some beastly dm or system where there number advantage in middle ..just see herrera play defensively he was very mediocre and playing that deep a liability (again reason LVG did not use him much even though when he played you created almost double chances per game :giggle:) he is just too light weight much much lighter than kroos and schwenstieger currently does not compare to modric and those two barely work ..(again this is comparison to explain what i am trying to say ) infact it will be much worse than carrick and schwenstieger partnership ..carrick one i can see working as he has discipline to not lose ball so in most matches it wont be troublesome but this partnership will be suicide :cantstop: anyway i am done . sorry everyone :p on topic great signing and i am very excited and cant wait to see united this year because of him (total change from last year ) also another transfer complete begovic to chelsea done :nice: he is very high quality goal keeper for back up and i could not be happier ..he is no cech but good enough that we do not have to worry about injury to courtois...
Herrera is a better dribbler and quicker than Carrick. Prime Schweini does DM job well that's the thing. Carrick is not good defensively imo and Herrera is equally good at passing.

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