sensible-indian Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Well...its understandable that a 200 crore Indian film will be commercial but the trailer (not the 20 second teaser) is poorly made. Some of the shots are really good but overall the trailer video is simply poor execution. Are Rana Dugabatti and Prabhas big stars to command crazy opening in Telugu? I am not too sure whether this is going to even get back its money. Are they expecting main money to come from Telugu and a bit from Tamil/Hindi? Not sure about the numbers. Atleast if it had stars who have an all India reach, I would have felt differently. This movie needs to be good quality wise too (as in engaging not necessarily realistic) to get the multiplex audience watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeautifulGame Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 PS with 200+ crores already spent on the two films - if the first one fails to hit the mark' date=' it would be disaster as the 2nd one could become a non-starter .... On the other hand, if the first one hits the mark, the 2nd one (if the first one does not go past 200+) should be able to make the overall venture profitable with a good opening[/quote'] It will be a hit . The Rajamouli reputation and expections alone will carry through it even if the movie turns out average . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalia_Test Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 Some info from web on rights for movie acquired by distributors...The cost is pegged at 160-200 crores as per varying reports - AP,Telangana (Nizam area is the term in filmi circles) and Karnataka sold for 79 crores ( looks like it is for part 1 only as per reports. Not clear ). - Reports that Karan Johar paid a "whopping" amount for Hindi - No figure available though - we can only speculate - TN rights for Tamil - acquired by Studio Green - for a "fancy amount" - Audio rights/launch for Telugu was 2+ crores - we can expect total 5 crores for all languages - Satellite rights : Number of 25 crore is circulated for both parts - Telugu only ( Gemini, Maa and Zee Telugu in race ). Add few more for other language satellite rights. - Kerala, USA,UK,UAE,Japan Australia expected to fetch 70 odd crores http://www.tollymovies.com/news/newsDetails/3461-Rajamouli-Bahubali-Distribution-Rights-Fetched-Rs-79-Crores/ http://www.ibtimes.co.in/filmmaker-karan-johar-acquires-rights-rana-daggubatis-baahubali-whopping-amount-631032 http://www.ibtimes.co.in/studio-green-acquires-ss-rajamoulis-baahubali-tn-rights-621187 -------------------------------- The makers ( Producers) will surely recover the money and more. The risk is now with the distributors. @SIF On Rana and Prabhas - They are second rung Telugu heroes i.e below the first line of Mahesh Babu,Pawan Kalyan and Jr.NTR ( leaving oldies like Venkatesh, Nagarjuna and Chiru aside ) but they have their own followers ( more so Prabhas as Rana is a newcomer ). From the story, it needed tall and muscular heroes and both Rana and Prabhas fit well as they are both around 6'2 or so. Also - in Telugu - audience give lot of importance to director too ( same I guess in Tamil ). Hero is not the only factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temujin Khaghan Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Are Rana Dugabatti and Prabhas big stars to command crazy opening in Telugu? I am not too sure whether this is going to even get back its money. Are they expecting main money to come from Telugu and a bit from Tamil/Hindi? Not sure about the numbers. Atleast if it had stars who have an all India reach, I would have felt differently. your analysis is a bit off.. for big budget movies, they primarily need good movies and then superstars, not the other way round. They had Rajinikath - the no.1 superstar in South India in Lingaa. but the movie is rotten. result - distributors lost 70% of the money. same for Kochadayaan. "I" is another half rotten movie from Shankar this time. But the movie touched breakeven point. people seem to trust directors more than superstars. rajamouli has equal fan-following to the no.1 hero in telugu (like shankar in TN). he has a good name in TN, kerala and Karnataka. basically entire south India is covered. Karan Johar will put some effort marketing the movie in the north. the biggest disadvantage to this movie is not the lack of cast as everyone is talking about here if the hindi dubbing is bad then even a dog(real dog, not insulting anyone here) will not watch the movie in the hindi belt. The movie will more than break even just with south collections. hindi collections and overseas collections will decide the hit range. lets bump this thread after the movie releases and see if the movie struggles to breakeven as you predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensible-indian Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 your analysis is a bit off.. for big budget movies, they primarily need good movies and then superstars, not the other way round. They had Rajinikath - the no.1 superstar in South India in Lingaa. but the movie is rotten. result - distributors lost 70% of the money. same for Kochadayaan. "I" is another half rotten movie from Shankar this time. But the movie touched breakeven point. people seem to trust directors more than superstars. rajamouli has equal fan-following to the no.1 hero in telugu (like shankar in TN). he has a good name in TN, kerala and Karnataka. basically entire south India is covered. Karan Johar will put some effort marketing the movie in the north. the biggest disadvantage to this movie is not the lack of cast as everyone is talking about here if the hindi dubbing is bad then even a dog(real dog, not insulting anyone here) will not watch the movie in the hindi belt. The movie will more than break even just with south collections. hindi collections and overseas collections will decide the hit range. lets bump this thread after the movie releases and see if the movie struggles to breakeven as you predicted. First of all, star quotient is important. Endhiran was hardly a quality movie but it was a super duper hit because 1. It was engaging 2. It had Rajni Hindi big budget movies are pure crap but they produce the numbers due to star quotient. For Tamil and local languages, big budget movies need to have stars and some basic engaging content. Linga flopped not because it wasn't a good movie. Linga flopped cos its story was sooo bad that even Rajni couldn't salvage it. As for this movie being able to recover its costs (from distributor point of view as producers always make money selling the rights), it depends on the current numbers Telugu blockbusters do (which would give us an idea about the market size), how engaging this movie is, etc. I agree the producers would have done the calculations but its a huge hurdle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeautifulGame Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 your analysis is a bit off.. for big budget movies, they primarily need good movies and then superstars, not the other way round. They had Rajinikath - the no.1 superstar in South India in Lingaa. but the movie is rotten. result - distributors lost 70% of the money. same for Kochadayaan. "I" is another half rotten movie from Shankar this time. But the movie touched breakeven point. people seem to trust directors more than superstars. rajamouli has equal fan-following to the no.1 hero in telugu (like shankar in TN). he has a good name in TN, kerala and Karnataka. basically entire south India is covered. Karan Johar will put some effort marketing the movie in the north. the biggest disadvantage to this movie is not the lack of cast as everyone is talking about here if the hindi dubbing is bad then even a dog(real dog, not insulting anyone here) will not watch the movie in the hindi belt. The movie will more than break even just with south collections. hindi collections and overseas collections will decide the hit range. lets bump this thread after the movie releases and see if the movie struggles to breakeven as you predicted. Linga was a big hit reached break even easily(within the first week) and that was only becoz of Ranji http://boxofficemoney.in/how-much-lingaa-earned-at-box-office-till-now-linga-4th-week-income-earning/ The problem was the distributees bought the movie for over the top prices .So they suffered some loses . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensible-indian Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Some info from web on rights for movie acquired by distributors...The cost is pegged at 160-200 crores as per varying reports - AP,Telangana (Nizam area is the term in filmi circles) and Karnataka sold for 79 crores ( looks like it is for part 1 only as per reports. Not clear ). - Reports that Karan Johar paid a "whopping" amount for Hindi - No figure available though - we can only speculate - TN rights for Tamil - acquired by Studio Green - for a "fancy amount" - Audio rights/launch for Telugu was 2+ crores - we can expect total 5 crores for all languages - Satellite rights : Number of 25 crore is circulated for both parts - Telugu only ( Gemini, Maa and Zee Telugu in race ). Add few more for other language satellite rights. - Kerala, USA,UK,UAE,Japan Australia expected to fetch 70 odd crores http://www.tollymovies.com/news/newsDetails/3461-Rajamouli-Bahubali-Distribution-Rights-Fetched-Rs-79-Crores/ http://www.ibtimes.co.in/filmmaker-karan-johar-acquires-rights-rana-daggubatis-baahubali-whopping-amount-631032 http://www.ibtimes.co.in/studio-green-acquires-ss-rajamoulis-baahubali-tn-rights-621187 -------------------------------- The makers ( Producers) will surely recover the money and more. The risk is now with the distributors. @SIF On Rana and Prabhas - They are second rung Telugu heroes i.e below the first line of Mahesh Babu,Pawan Kalyan and Jr.NTR ( leaving oldies like Venkatesh, Nagarjuna and Chiru aside ) but they have their own followers ( more so Prabhas as Rana is a newcomer ). From the story, it needed tall and muscular heroes and both Rana and Prabhas fit well as they are both around 6'2 or so. Also - in Telugu - audience give lot of importance to director too ( same I guess in Tamil ). Hero is not the only factor. Thanks bro. Yeah in South India, directors matter too. If the makers are investing 200 crores, they surely would have done the calculations (from a distributors point of view) cos their reputation for future movie releases matter. So there must be some rationale behind investing 200 crores for this. Any idea what revenues did Telugu blockbusters make in recent times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalia_Test Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 Thanks bro. Yeah in South India, directors matter too. If the makers are investing 200 crores, they surely would have done the calculations (from a distributors point of view) cos their reputation for future movie releases matter. So there must be some rationale behind investing 200 crores for this. Any idea what revenues did Telugu blockbusters make in recent times? 180+ crores for Attariniki Daaredi couple of yrs back. There are a few others in the 150-180 crore bracket. The figures include dubbed versions and worldwide revenues ( just like Enthiran had huge money from Telugu and Hindi versions too ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temujin Khaghan Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Linga was a big hit reached break even easily(within the first week) and that was only becoz of Ranji http://boxofficemoney.in/how-much-lingaa-earned-at-box-office-till-now-linga-4th-week-income-earning/ The problem was the distributees bought the movie for over the top prices .So they suffered some loses . what big hit :--D ? if a movie earns more than its budget doesnt mean it is a hit. it has to earn more than the price the distributors bought movie for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensible-indian Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 180+ crores for Attariniki Daaredi couple of yrs back. There are a few others in the 150-180 crore bracket. The figures include dubbed versions and worldwide revenues ( just like Enthiran had huge money from Telugu and Hindi versions too ). Then it makes sense. How was that movie (from an entertainment point of view)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temujin Khaghan Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 180+ crores for Attariniki Daaredi couple of yrs back. There are a few others in the 150-180 crore bracket. The figures include dubbed versions and worldwide revenues ( just like Enthiran had huge money from Telugu and Hindi versions too ). thats gross dude. :) Share of AD is about 75 crores. Endhiran(all three versions) share is close to 160 smthg (80 TN +40 AP + 40 rest) you shouldnt discuss gross collections because the tax revenue of the govt will be different in different states. so we will not know how much the distributors get in the end. which is all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temujin Khaghan Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Then it makes sense. How was that movie (from an entertainment point of view)? dude :--D basically the movie Bahubali is a 5 hour long movie which is cut into two halves. total budget is 200 crores. but when it gets cut into two individual parts - each is worth 100 crores. that is how it is most expensive movie in India. otherwise shankar's endhiran is also 200 crores. but it is a single movie. so BB-1 and BB-2 "each" need to make 100crores + roughly 20 (marketing + various other costs) = 120 crores to break even individually. the real reason this movie is the most expensive movie is that the cast and crew only took 50 crores as fees for this movie. so you will see 150 crores spent on the screen. compared with a star studded galaxy that is endhiran rajini - 45 crores ARR - 2 crores/song + bgm = roughly 15 crores Shankar 20 crores Rai 5 crores rest of the expensive crew - 10 crores so basically the cast and crew gobbled up 100 crores for the movie. leaving only 100 crores to be spent for this movie. so in that way since 150 crores are spent solely for making the movie, this is most expensive movie in India. otherwise endhiran is 200crores worth too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temujin Khaghan Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 so basically people please stop saying the first part is worth 200crores... which it is not clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeautifulGame Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 what big hit :--D ? if a movie earns more than its budget doesnt mean it is a hit. it has to earn more than the price the distributors bought movie for. Big hit in the sense it made more than (twice)the budget easily even in theatre revenue . What I meant is Distribors bought the movie for ridiculous money becoz it was the first Rajini movie after 4 years .But in normal movie terms it is still a blockbuster hit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalia_Test Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 Let us not turn this into Endhiran vs Bahubali pls :two_thumbs_up: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temujin Khaghan Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Big hit in the sense it made more than (twice)the budget easily even in theatre revenue . What I meant is Distribors bought the movie for ridiculous money becoz it was the first Rajini movie after 4 years .But in normal movie terms it is still a blockbuster hit . ofcourse, it still made huge money than any other south superstar's blockbuster movies. but i have a problem with your wording. I would rather say that the producers pushed for a massive price and put the distributors in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temujin Khaghan Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Let us not turn this into Endhiran vs Bahubali pls :two_thumbs_up: dude no contest with endhiran. i was just explaining movie economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temujin Khaghan Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 white girl doing a bahubali trailer review. she got so many things wrong :D. but she said one interesting point. "Hollywood will never represent you, you need to represent yourself" .This is so true. I cant forget how Spielberg represented Indians in "Temple of Doom". When did our royals eat monkey brains and sheep eye balls lol. we need to represent ourselves. I hope one day soon, Indians make a movie which is as awesome as Crouching tiger... G_Zfgo2aByo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalia_Test Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share Posted June 4, 2015 Make no mistake - Lingaa was a certified flop. No other word. Hit or flop is decided on how much distributors make. All they made is huge losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temujin Khaghan Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Richard Attenborough is one of the few directors who treated Indian culture with some respect in "Gandhi". Even slumdog millionaire was like some kind of poverty-porno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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