Rightarmfast Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 During today's commentary and the show, I noticed a few things which signal a shift towards perception towards Indian pace bowlers. 1)The Sri Lankan commentator asking Gavaskar, " How did India manage to unearth so many genuine fast bowlers?" To which Gavaskar's reply was- " We always had them, if not express, then atleast 135-140k bowlers like Ramakant Desai". Do note that earlier, even Indian commentators used to call Indian pacers as medium pacers and used to question as to why Indians don't have genuine quicks. 2) Jayasuriya stating that Javagal Srinath was the toughest Indian bowler he faced. He did not specifically mention about his pace, but somehow it also means that Srinath did have more than sufficient pace to trouble him. 3) Manjrekar commenting that Roger Binny was quicker than Stuart. Which effectively means Roger binny was around 135 mark. I always thought he was more like 115- 125 bowler. 4) When the speedguns were pointing Umesh's deliveries to be around 138-139 k's, Jonty Rhodes commented that ' even though the speed guns read slower speeds, Umesh's deliveries are coming really fast and hitting the bat hard. I think it's a shift of perception towards Indian pacers. Earlier, we had bowlers like Salil Ankola, Atul Wassan, Prashant Vaidya . Atleast these 3 bowlers were genuinely fast, even if we do not take into account a few bowlers who may have been. But because of Indian cricket board's attitude, and also a perception that Indians can't bowl fast, they were never referred to as ' Fast '. That also includes Javagal Srinath. So this new trend is a breath of fresh air! Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Let's hope Umesh Yadav and Aaron don't go the way of Ankola and Atul Wassan Not sure what the point of being fast if u can't bowl consistent lines Both Lankan seamers considerably outbowled Umesh today Bhuvi regardless of this fast nonsense would have made a world of difference today Link to comment
sage Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 the BCCI are rewriting history like a communist state Link to comment
Marut Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Roger Binny as your typical 120K bowler. They used to joke that Richards had so much time reacting to these guys (Binny and Madanlal types) that after a delivery was bowled Richards could walk off the ground, go to his house near the Bridgetown stadium, finish his lunch, get back to the crease and smash the delivery for a six. Link to comment
Vijy Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Let's hope Umesh Yadav and Aaron don't go the way of Ankola and Atul Wassan Not sure what the point of being fast if u can't bowl consistent lines Both Lankan seamers considerably outbowled Umesh today Bhuvi regardless of this fast nonsense would have made a world of difference today with bat AND ball. Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 I think the point of having a genuine quick like Umesh is the shock factor. Such bowlers are best when used in short spells, bowling in tandem with someone who can take wickets. Umesh would have been a great foil to someone like Zaheer. Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Manjrekar saying before the SL innings that Indian pacers should get more purchase from the pitch as they are quicker. We have started producing fast bowlers and it is just a matter of time before we start producing high quality wicket taking quicks . It is about having a fast bowling culture....and we have started the process of having one. Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 /\ Thats about right! Link to comment
Vijy Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Manjrekar saying before the SL innings that Indian pacers should get more purchase from the pitch as they are quicker. We have started producing fast bowlers and it is just a matter of time before we start producing high quality wicket taking quicks . It is about having a fast bowling culture....and we have started the process of having one. Your optimism is to be commended :hatsoff: I on the other hand am worried about how likes of Aaron, Yadav and co will develop and how their workloads, etc will be managed. Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 Your optimism is to be commended :hatsoff: I on the other hand am worried about how likes of Aaron, Yadav and co will develop and how their workloads, etc will be managed. If you are thinking that this Indian team is comparable to the early 2000 team of Ganguly and later, the team of Dhoni, then you are mistaken. I find this team, at best, a mediocre team. So I am not expecting this team to be world beaters. That isn't going to happen anymore. All I was talking about was pace. Link to comment
Adi_91 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 If you are thinking that this Indian team is comparable to the early 2000 team of Ganguly and later, the team of Dhoni, then you are mistaken. I find this team, at best, a mediocre team. So I am not expecting this team to be world beaters. That isn't going to happen anymore. All I was talking about was pace. Tbh, even that team was no better. We always had good batsmen not doing enough overseas. I am fairly optimistic that if this team values test cricket well, they can become a good side in the next 2 years. Not many retirements are expected as well, so this team should settle enough. Link to comment
Vijy Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Tbh, even that team was no better. We always had good batsmen not doing enough overseas. I am fairly optimistic that if this team values test cricket well, they can become a good side in the next 2 years. Not many retirements are expected as well, so this team should settle enough. It would be a sad day for ICFers if Nohit calls it a day in tests... the fav topic for bashing would be gone :giggle: Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 What is really irritating is even if a fast bowler sucks in test cricket they still tend to be very good in ODI cricket .Someone like Tait is an example because sheer pace isn't easy go after for scoring rate But both Yadav and Aaron are struggling or established in ODI cricket as well. Link to comment
Vijy Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 What is really irritating is even if a fast bowler sucks in test cricket they still tend to be very good in ODI cricket .Someone like Tait is an example because sheer pace isn't easy go after for scoring rate But both Yadav and Aaron are struggling or established in ODI cricket as well. Yes, Tait was a classic example. Brett Lee was also more potent in ODIs. Ditto Bond as well, who didn't get enough Tests however to pass full judgement. Link to comment
Adi_91 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It would be a sad day for ICFers if Nohit calls it a day in tests... the fav topic for bashing would be gone :giggle: His 'talent' and 'flair' will never retire. :cantstop: Link to comment
Vijy Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 His 'talent' and 'flair' will never retire. :cantstop: They shall always linger on... reminds me of LOTR (movies) where Elrond tells Arwen smething along the lines of "You my daughter, you will linger on...", etc, etc Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Yes' date=' Tait was a classic example. Brett Lee was also more potent in ODIs. Ditto Bond as well, who didn't get enough Tests however to pass full judgement.[/quote'] Bond, I thought was pretty exceptional. Sadly, he didnt have a team which could back his talent up. Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 What our pacers need is not more speed (though that would be great) but more brains to work on their game, know what to bowl where, etc. Give Umesh Yadav's skills to someone like Zaheer (post 2007 version) and he would be wreaking havoc. But look at Umesh now. Happy with the odd wicket even on a pacer friendly track. Aaron is even worse. Lesser skills and same brainlessness. We should stop over-rating these fellows bcos of 1 game and wait till they start working on their game. On a flatter track, these guys struggle to pick 1 wicket which is why we get owned outside Asia when the wicket eases out. Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 An intelligent 130-135 kmph bowler with a good outswing/inswing plus reverse swing capability is ANYDAY 1000000000000000000 times better than all the brainless speedguns in the world who can bowl those amazing balls along with freebies. Link to comment
gakgupta Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 yeah....one seamer friendly pitch and everyone goes gaga over Indian bowling.... Even srilankan pacers have done reasonably well on this pitch and those would have looked even better if not for pujara's heroics Link to comment
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