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is hardik pandya 137k + on an average pace or just the fast balls touch 140k...

can some body mention the pace he balls at ...is he between 130 to 140k n averaging 134k..if he is that good then he is not worth international standards.

he should be 137k + on an average - then only he can succeed in international circuit.

 

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I seen him in action in the 4 overs he bowled at TN vs Baroda Ranji game, looks quite athletic must have trait for any good all rounder, about six feet tall, looks lively (135-145K estimate)and energetic, also batting wise has hard hitting ability, needs to work on the control and line length, very exiting prospect, should play for at least one domestic full season before drafting him in to national side, to me can play all three version of the game after that, compare to Binny I would give 7 points out of 10 to Binny and Hardik would get 7-7.5 points considering bowling speed, accuracy, ability to extract swing, batting ability and fielding. definitely could be better prospect then Binny however need to work on him.

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He shud be immediately added to Odi and test squad. Coz IF the more he develops his bowling and batting the more he ll win team matches. 

We need to make him play test coz thats where he ll improve as cricketer most. Where i feel pollard left behind other all rounders. 

He will bowl more overs in test and which will obv improve his bowling . Lets not forget he has only played 13 games in ranji and he lacks that exp . ANd today in post match Deep dasgupta was telling he was leg spinner few years ago, well thats a tremendous change.

 

In Odi cricket , we shudnt really expect 10 over from him straightaway . We will Need a 6th bowler if we want to play pandya like raina, mann, hooda

Or play him as 6th batsman and play negi, pathan,rishi at 7.

But his emergence can solve a lot of issues of our short format sides. 

His progress is very imp. 

Shud make him bowl a lot and bat above whenever there is a chance . Play him in every format also if chance on A tours as well. Reason is lack of domestic exp which we have to give him at int level. 

What standsout most for me is his self beilef , Many ppl may consider it arrogance or overconfidence like i was hearing a lot in media. But thats wat is gonna make him standout . 

 

 

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I was disappointed that they didn't show speeds of the Indian bowlers. Looked like pandya was bowling at decent pace. Happy with Dhoni that he used all the regular bowlers instead of Raina and yuvi. Hope he continues to do the same in the future.

They did show speed

Bumrah 138-145

Nehra 136-142

Pandya 135-141

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I was disappointed that they didn't show speeds of the Indian bowlers. Looked like pandya was bowling at decent pace. Happy with Dhoni that he used all the regular bowlers instead of Raina and yuvi. Hope he continues to do the same in the future.

They did show speed

Bumrah 137-145

Nehra 136-142

Pandya 135-141

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I was disappointed that they didn't show speeds of the Indian bowlers. Looked like pandya was bowling at decent pace. Happy with Dhoni that he used all the regular bowlers instead of Raina and yuvi. Hope he continues to do the same in the future.

They did show speed

Bumrah 137-145

Nehra 135-142

Pandya 135-141

Sorry for triple post

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Rohit Sharma - We criticize him even till today

Virat Kohli - One of the Best

Ashwin - Best spinner for India at the moment

Raina - Guy who got hightest runs in IPL. Good player at Home

Dhawan - His previous records pretty much talks

Joginder Sharma - Last over in WC final pretty much talks ( Sad he can't play after Car accident ) 

Bhuvi - Did well for the Team during Debut even till some days before

Did they all fall out from sky ???? Who gave them chance ???

 

Virat and Raina was blooded into the team in Dravid era....

IN the above list, apart from Ashwin,, I don't see a exciting prospects....esp in the bowling dept

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Rohit Sharma - We criticize him even till today

Virat Kohli - One of the Best

Ashwin - Best spinner for India at the moment

Raina - Guy who got hightest runs in IPL. Good player at Home

Dhawan - His previous records pretty much talks

Joginder Sharma - Last over in WC final pretty much talks ( Sad he can't play after Car accident ) 

Bhuvi - Did well for the Team during Debut even till some days before

Did they all fall out from sky ???? Who gave them chance ???

 

Every captain has a shelf life and Dhoni isnt the same anymore who we saw in 2008. He was a called a gambler who used to take risks whether as a batsman or a captain, but since he changed his batting style, his captaincy also changed too.

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Biggest problem is that Dhoni is making him bowl according to how he wants. In the previous tour, Dhoni made him bowl full and wide every ball. Now he was asking him to bang it short on the body every ball. When he got hit for a six, Dhoni put two fielders on the leg and asked him to continue bowling there. This will absolutely destroy any bowler and will hamper his all round development. 

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Biggest problem is that Dhoni is making him bowl according to how he wants. In the previous tour, Dhoni made him bowl full and wide every ball. Now he was asking him to bang it short on the body every ball. When he got hit for a six, Dhoni put two fielders on the leg and asked him to continue bowling there. This will absolutely destroy any bowler and will hamper his all round development. 

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Hopefully, Pandya will not be lost in the process

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Every captain has a shelf life and Dhoni isnt the same anymore who we saw in 2008. He was a called a gambler who used to take risks whether as a batsman or a captain, but since he changed his batting style, his captaincy also changed too.

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Every captain has a shelf life and Dhoni isnt the same anymore who we saw in 2008. He was a called a gambler who used to take risks whether as a batsman or a captain, but since he changed his batting style, his captaincy also changed too.

Dhoni must see something of an earlier version of himself in Pandya.  Remember MS made the team as a swash-buckler who supposedly couldnt do much more than bash the ball miles.  He exceeded those expectations, and how.  Let's hope Pandya follows that path as well, would be great for Team India.

 

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My view - Hardik is a mindless slogger just like Tisara Perera in SL. :giggle:  He may not be in the team for sure after the IPL. Same like Binny & Irfan where India will not have to have a regular pace allrounder for another decade or so. 

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My view - Hardik is a mindless slogger just like Tisara Perera in SL. :giggle:  He may not be in the team for sure after the IPL. Same like Binny & Irfan where India will not have to have a regular pace allrounder for another decade or so. 

India will probably have a few dozen pace allrounders before Pakistan will find a proper batsman instead of the fake talunted hacks that they are forced to play with.  Till then, keep playing 40 year old tuk tuks and younger fat sloggers who cut cakes to celebrate every time they cross 50 runs.  :winky:

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MS Dhoni on Pandya:  

"He is somebody who wants to clear the boundary. The more games he plays, the better he will get. But he definitely has the skill. It is something that is very difficult to have, that skill to clear boundaries from the very first delivery. And it’s good to see him bowl four overs also, because that will also give us a lot of strength."

 

"...Eventually, if you see, we always wanted somebody like him. But I don’t want to comment right now, based on the T20 performance, because the 50-over performance is completely different. Over here, it’s four overs, and you can get away with it a lot of the time. What we can definitely see is that he has talent, and if we guide him and give him confidence, he can definitely be someone who can do the job for us."

http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-news/we-always-wanted-a-game-changer-like-hardik-pandya-dhoni/202322

 

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India will probably have a few dozen pace allrounders before Pakistan will find a proper batsman instead of the fake talunted hacks that they are forced to play with.  Till then, keep playing 40 year old tuk tuks and younger fat sloggers who cut cakes to celebrate every time they cross 50 runs.  :winky:

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What rubbish did you watch the match other day ??? He is no mindless slogger.. The way he played musti was exceptional. . What you didn't realise is he will be picked for odi series as well and will continue in t20s for india for future.  The kid has already cemented his place in the team.:hehe:

We have enough seen those type of kids who come in and out to the national side. Same like Binny,Irfan,Joginder sharma,etc. India producing good spin all rounders like Jadeja,Ashwin,Yuvraj but never produced consistent pace all rounder who can cement his place for more years. :hmmm:All teams have one or two pace all rounders like ,Anwar Ali, Mathews,Morris,Corey Anderson,Mitchel Marsh,Ben Stokes,Pollard,Bravo,Sammy,etc     Hardik seems to be hitting hard but still early days to guess that his place is fixed in the team. will see.

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My view - Hardik is a mindless slogger just like Tisara Perera in SL. :giggle:  He may not be in the team for sure after the IPL. Same like Binny & Irfan where India will not have to have a regular pace allrounder for another decade or so. 

Everyone does not have the talent to be a " mindful non-slogger " like Mr. Afridi.  Please bear with the kid and ignore his runs, no matter how many and how fast they come     :winky:

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Among the youngsters , Only clean hitter who could potentially do the No7 job for India atm . Needs to bulk up a little .

He can be a Razzaq type for us - he has shown he can hit very well.  Yet to demonstrate he can bat well.  But a ton of promise - and the timing is so right for him - India has such a shortage of non-spin allrounders that even a half-decent performance will get him a long career.  Not to forget, he's a better than average fielder as well.

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He can be a Razzaq type for us - he has shown he can hit very well.  Yet to demonstrate he can bat well.  But a ton of promise - and the timing is so right for him - India has such a shortage of non-spin allrounders that even a half-decent performance will get him a long career.  Not to forget, he's a better than average fielder as well.

I think we need to stop looking at him as a pure batsmen at this point , stop over analysing his technique , stop putting pressure on him to curb his natural instinct . Give him a free hand , even if he is inconsistent if he manages to put a few good match winnings knocks it should be good enough .We can afford to have one or 2 batsmen in the line-up  who dont have text book technique or who struggle on green pitches . 

Where we need to put pressure on , especially the coach , capt etc is on his bowling  . There is definite potential there , all he needs to do is develop some skills , slower balls , may be learn to use the conditions better , yorkers , I mean if he gets better at any of these , he will be a permanent 3rd seamer for us . Even if we assume his batting technique does not improve , on  a green pitch he could play an important role with the ball & if the pitch is flat his role with the bat becomes more important . This guy if he improves has potential to take the Indian team to the next level , so needs to be persisted as long as we can imo

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He can be a Razzaq type for us - he has shown he can hit very well.  Yet to demonstrate he can bat well.  But a ton of promise - and the timing is so right for him - India has such a shortage of non-spin allrounders that even a half-decent performance will get him a long career.  Not to forget, he's a better than average fielder as well.

I am surprised you said that his fielding is above average.....he is a superb fielder .... he is up there with Kohli's and raina's....moreover his fielding will only increase

He is perfect one day material ....may not be ready yet but few A tours and major domestic games....he will be ready

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I am surprised you said that his fielding is above average.....he is a superb fielder .... he is up there with Kohli's and raina's....moreover his fielding will only increase

He is perfect one day material ....may not be ready yet but few A tours and major domestic games....he will be ready

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I said he's above average, what do you want me to say? He's better than Jonty Rhodes?

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Pandya has really impressed me ,a good find for lois at least.all those saying he's a slogger should remember this is t20 and his role is clearly to go out and smack the ball from the go  and not show full fledged solid defense to a spinner or a pacer.

He'll change his game according to the format I am sure ,as I said before he will have to change his game after a couple of years and go the dhoni way in one days (from a hitter to a sensible finisher playing to the situation).

His bowling is good,he can crank it up a lot if he rectifies his action a bit (falls too much sideways which takes out the accuracy and 3-4ks)

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Pandya  did not throw his wicket away like some other experienced and full-time batters.

xactly, he didnt throw his wkt like the exp batsman

and plzz we have to stop being so harsh on a guy who has just played 13 1st class games, 

If exp guys like dhawan, rohit raina  bhuvi jadeja after yrs n yrs do blunders, it can happen with pandya 

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xactly, he didnt throw his wkt like the exp batsman

and plzz we have to stop being so harsh on a guy who has just played 13 1st class games, 

If exp guys like dhawan, rohit raina  bhuvi jadeja after yrs n yrs do blunders, it can happen with pandya 

Well said.

I still want Pandya to play. He is a lower order big hitter which we badly need to complement Dhoni.

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On 05/03/2016 at 4:05 AM, adi B said:

Pandya has really impressed me ,a good find for lois at least.all those saying he's a slogger should remember this is t20 and his role is clearly to go out and smack the ball from the go  and not show full fledged solid defense to a spinner or a pacer.

He'll change his game according to the format I am sure ,as I said before he will have to change his game after a couple of years and go the dhoni way in one days (from a hitter to a sensible finisher playing to the situation).

His bowling is good,he can crank it up a lot if he rectifies his action a bit (falls too much sideways which takes out the accuracy and 3-4ks)

On his way ,already adapting to various formats 

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