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Vijay Shankar: I want to be a genuine allrounder

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The terrace of Vijay Shankar's house doubles up as his his make-shift indoor nets © Deivarayan Muthu

 

Vijay Shankar's two-story independent house is tucked away in a corner of a lane in Madipakkam, in south suburban Chennai. The first thing that meets the eye is the car-park area, where Vijay began his journey with his father H Shankar and elder brother Ajay, who plays lower-division cricket in Tamil Nadu. As a teenager Vijay crunched balls in that small space kept aside to park cars with his father and brother, often getting hit while fielding.

As Vijay rose through age-group cricket, the car-park area just wasn't enough, and the unruly Chennai traffic meant that travelling to the Chakrathar Rao academy, run by the former Ranji cricketer, ate up at least two hours.

Speaking to ESPNcricinfo, H Shankar said, "With the car-park slot being 15 feet in width and around 35 feet only in length, I felt it was very, very small and restricted his strokeplay, and the travelling time was tiring." What did he do then?

The twin terraces of the house were levelled into one and turned into a personal training area with nets, a synthetic astro turf, and a bowling machine. The teenager could cut, drive, pull, or bowl at any time.

Vijay's grandmother flips through TV channels on a television set that is housed in a cabinet filled with many trophies as Vijay, 24, dressed in shorts and a t-shirt, seems relaxed.

No bulging biceps. No funky hairdos or tattoos. Vijay is almost the archetypal boy next door - he likes spending time with friends, setting off on long drives, and is a fan of Manchester United.

On the field, Vijay can grind attacks and shape the innings from the middle order besides pitching in with medium pace. He also showed that he can shift gears during his 86 for India A against Bangladesh A in Bangalore. He sent one clattering onto the glass front of the M Chinnaswamy Stadium media box, which had his personal coach S Balaji saying: "For a vegetarian he can hit the ball a long way."

On the first day of Tamil Nadu's Ranji opener against Baroda Vijay could only watch from the stands, as he sat with a strapped shoulder, and one could sense that he wanted to be out there in the middle. Later on, he joined the team after the thrilling win.

Having recovered from the shoulder injury, Vijay's return for the fifth round will bolster Tamil Nadu who found themselves at the wrong end of a similar heist against Mumbai.

Vijay also suffered injuries at the start of the 2014-15 Ranji season but bounced back strongly, which mirrored Tamil Nadu's comeback as well. He tallied 577 runs in seven matches, including two centuries and three fifties, as Tamil Nadu advanced to the final only to be beaten by Karnataka. Vijay then scored a fifty on India A debut against an Australia A attack comprising Gurinder Sandhu, Sean Abbott and Steven O'Keefe. He followed it up with a resolute 74 not out in the fourth innings, guiding India A to a draw against South Africa A in Wayanad.

Remind Vijay of the Ranji knockouts, where here he piled up scores of 111, 82, 91 and 103 in the quarter-final, semi-final and final, and he flashes a big smile like a kid does while navigating his toy car.

Vijay, however, conceded that injuries bring negative thoughts and lauded the strong support system that helped him quell them.

"It was not easy. You get negative thoughts when you keep sitting outside and doing nothing," Vijay said. "My family's influence has helped me stay calm even in the middle. My father, who has played a bit of cricket, comes to Chepauk to watch every game I play. My brother, Ajay, who plays lower-division games, and I discuss cricket often. My sister-in-law, my grandmother, and the entire family have been the biggest support for me."

"I started training hard and did some knocking in the nets, and ensured that I did not give much time for those thoughts. I practised with my friends, my brother, when Apar [Baba Aparajith] and Inder [Baba Indrajith] are here, we practise. Even if there is nobody I go out to the nets and practise pace."

Vijay had started as an offspinner before switching to medium pace to lend more balance to an already spin-heavy Tamil Nadu attack. Vijay had some no-ball issues last season but worked them out with former coach WV Raman and produced timely breakthroughs.

"I want to be a genuine allrounder. I want to balance both and can't sacrifice one for the other," Vijay said.

Vijay has a special bond with the Baba twins, Aparajith and Indrajith, who share the same personal coach: "With Balaji Sir, it has been about 10 years for me. It is very nice to know where we are all now. All three, myself, Aparajith, Indrajith, are doing well at first-class level. This is the best thing we can give back to our coach.

"We have been playing together since Under-13 days. We know our games well. In the TNCA league, we have played for Vijay CC, Indian Bank together and then Tamil Nadu of course."

With M Vijay leaving on India duty, the onus is on Vijay Shankar to prove his fitness and act as the binding force for the state side again. While Vijay was wary of the challenges ahead, he believed that Tamil Nadu had it in them to go one step more this season.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ranji-trophy-2015-16/content/story/934665.html

He is another option for an alrounder slot. He is a proper batsman who can bowl.

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everyone in india wants to be good bowler but they ends their career with batting allrounder. I wish Vijay Shankar become great allroundr for india because we need one in all format.plus- point for Vijay is, his state has good coach with great support and favor from RD.

I just read above Article, its well written, I am impress, I knows my friend in 1977 in Ahmedabad,gujrat used to be a wicketkeeper in our society cricket team, but he was doing practice for 3 hour during morning and afternoon, just like Vijay Shankar.he was selected in indian school team for tour of England as wicket-keeper batsman later on he played for gujrat ranji trophy matches and once selected for indian school team. vs touring England school where he performs wonderful with the Gloves.Later on he was selected vs touring England team [ senior ] vs them he open and put on 1oo for first wicket.playing for BPXL.

he told me',he wants to go further but he need support from senior player and those days Gujarati players not easily make it in high level. Sidharth Trivedi [ after 2014] and dhiraj parsana[ in 1980] are perfect example, they could play for india with better support and Guidance from senior.southzone had good backing and support on those days.

my friends name, Amit  shroff, presently in Chicago, usa.Jayaprakash Narayan was a spinner and allrounder also bright prospect but never make it and passed at tender age 19.

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India I need of genuine allrounder...

good luck but not sure how easy to improve bowling at the age of 26..

Also Rohit is trying hard on his Bowling

 

Age 24. He is not a bad bowler at all. Bowls same pace as Binny. He is taller so will get more bounce. Can do a 5th bowlers job like Binny did in England but a better batsman than Binny, in fact, a proper batsman which he showed in A matches. Can easily be a #6 contender on next overseas leg if he keeps going well, averaging 57 in FC cricket right now.

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Age 24. He is not a bad bowler at all. Bowls same pace as Binny. He is taller so will get more bounce. Can do a 5th bowlers job like Binny did in England but a better batsman than Binny, in fact, a proper batsman which he showed in A matches. Can easily be a #6 contender on next overseas leg if he keeps going well, averaging 57 in FC cricket right now.

cricinfo shows his age as 26

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Age 24. He is not a bad bowler at all. Bowls same pace as Binny. He is taller so will get more bounce. Can do a 5th bowlers job like Binny did in England but a better batsman than Binny, in fact, a proper batsman which he showed in A matches. Can easily be a #6 contender on next overseas leg if he keeps going well, averaging 57 in FC cricket right now.

But Dhoni has  said that Binny is the best seaming all rounder we have....  :winky:

 

 

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But Dhoni has  said that Binny is the best seaming all rounder we have....  :winky:

 

 

Dhoni is busy counting his money....

he doesn't have time to check out the young talent

I seriously think he would have never seen vijay

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Bowling is about junoon, Crai white was a mediocre cricketer n all of a sudden are an accident he became a effective n proper Bowler n a make do bat,once something clicks action wise or is tweaked n u R fit n strong u cud add a yard all of a sudden, Pandya n more so Mundhe is best bet as allrounder

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If he is 120s bowler, then thanks but no thanks. Enough of S.Ganguly, S. Binny, Rishi Dhawan, 120 lollipops.

But he is batsman first. He can easily play as a batsman. He has done far better than overrated Aparajiths. I wont mind a top 6 batsman who can bowl some tight overs to give rest to main bowlers.

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rkt, if he is batsman first then prolly ok, though I'd prefer a medium pacer (more a bowler) who can bat decently as A/R, rather than reverse (for A/R position). If he is a super batsman (yet to be proved) then we can consider for top 5

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rkt, if he is batsman first then prolly ok, though I'd prefer a medium pacer (more a bowler) who can bat decently as A/R, rather than reverse (for A/R position). If he is a super batsman (yet to be proved) then we can consider for top 5

No. Batsman who can bowl is always preferred as a 5th bowler.

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At no. 6 , we need a proper batsman who can play quick bowlers and is a stroke maker. If he is a tall medium pacer on top of that then that is an added bonus.

Can Vijay play pace and is he a stroke-maker ?

He did play well against the pacers of SA A. They all at least hit 140k.

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If he is 120s bowler, then thanks but no thanks. Enough of S.Ganguly, S. Binny, Rishi Dhawan, 120 lollipops.

if we cannot find one genuine AR , then two batting AR's will do . That will allow us to play 4 genuine wicket takers ( 2 pace + 2 spin ) .

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Looks a good batsman but would like to see how he progresses as a bowler. Can get into the team alone with his batting in future since he can bowl also but not really sure if he is good enough bowler at this time to be used in International cricket where he can give assurance to Kohli that he can bowl 5-7 overs if picked.

 

Should continue to improve his bowling. Speed matters at times but 130k bowler isn't bad either if he can bat really well for the team as it can give us a good option for the team.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Looks a good batsman but would like to see how he progresses as a bowler. Can get into the team alone with his batting in future since he can bowl also but not really sure if he is good enough bowler at this time to be used in International cricket where he can give assurance to Kohli that he can bowl 5-7 overs if picked.

 

Should continue to improve his bowling. Speed matters at times but 130k bowler isn't bad either if he can bat really well for the team as it can give us a good option for the team.

 

 

I feel he is more suited to tests than LOIs at the moment. He is a wicket taking bowler from what I have seen. If he can develop into a bowler like Kallis or Watson who are not express but are wicket taking then he can become a solid batting allrounder. Also if he can bowl at 135ks then that would be even more helpful.

 

He is also quite tall and swings the ball which will be very helpful in overseas tests.

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1 hour ago, Forever Indian said:

I feel he is more suited to tests than LOIs at the moment. He is a wicket taking bowler from what I have seen. If he can develop into a bowler like Kallis or Watson who are not express but are wicket taking then he can become a solid batting allrounder. Also if he can bowl at 135ks then that would be even more helpful.

 

 

Shankar averages really poor in Ranji with the ball. His average is 40, which is not

good enough to get him into Indian Test team as a player who can be used as an all rounder in Test. May be as a batsman who can bowl but definitely not a bowler whom a captain can trust a lot at this time

 

 

Also, not sure about that comparison of Kallis since Kallis was a boss at bowling long spells and maintaining good speed. Even recently in IPL and in test matches he was touching 144k in a lot speel after scoring a hundred for RSA.

 

Also even at lower speeds like 125-130, Kallis looked really skillfill with his outswing etc.

This is where we need to see how some of the bowlers including Shankar do when given more chances for India A or even in Ranji. Hopefully we will see enough Ranji games next year. Shankar at this time remains an all-round prospect more for the shorter format where he can be considered a batsman who bowls. 

 

For longer format, he perhaps will be considered mainly just for batting at this time, which alone is going to be interesting to follow as he is starting to rack up numbers now to impress. 

 

At this time, I am inpressed with his batting more and tha and would like to see how he does with batting, as just for batting alone he should be rewarded more India A opportunities

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7 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Look up word trundler in dictionary and you will see a pic of this guy 

 

his bowling will get wrecked in international cricket 

To win in test matches overseas, we can not rely on such bowlers.

 

Kohli is finally a captain who is thinking of winning games with players who are "proper" bowlers. He knows that we can not have the same old ways of selecting teams based on the thinking that "oh he can bowl a bit" if we pick him. You do not win test matches like this overseas.

 

Need proper test bowlers and bats. 

 

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2 hours ago, Cricketics said:

 

 

Shankar averages really poor in Ranji with the ball. His average is 40, which is not

good enough to get him into Indian Test team as a player who can be used as an all rounder in Test. May be as a batsman who can bowl but definitely not a bowler whom a captain can trust a lot at this time

 

 

Also, not sure about that comparison of Kallis since Kallis was a boss at bowling long spells and maintaining good speed. Even recently in IPL and in test matches he was touching 144k in a lot speel after scoring a hundred for RSA.

 

Also even at lower speeds like 125-130, Kallis looked really skillfill with his outswing etc.

This is where we need to see how some of the bowlers including Shankar do when given more chances for India A or even in Ranji. Hopefully we will see enough Ranji games next year. Shankar at this time remains an all-round prospect more for the shorter format where he can be considered a batsman who bowls. 

 

For longer format, he perhaps will be considered mainly just for batting at this time, which alone is going to be interesting to follow as he is starting to rack up numbers now to impress. 

 

At this time, I am inpressed with his batting more and tha and would like to see how he does with batting, as just for batting alone he should be rewarded more India A opportunities

He has improved his bowling a lot from last few months.....so his ranji statistics doesn't show much....

Moreover, he can be used a 5th bowler to give rest to main bowlers and bowl some tidy overs....

so, he can be considered as a batting all-rounder outside india....

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37 minutes ago, gakgupta said:

He has improved his bowling a lot from last few months.....so his ranji statistics doesn't show much....

Moreover, he can be used a 5th bowler to give rest to main bowlers and bowl some tidy overs....

so, he can be considered as a batting all-rounder outside india....

He is a rubbish bowler and could be considered as 6th type bowler for india . He better be bloody good batsman is all I say as his bowling makes bk look express 

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4 hours ago, Cricketics said:

 

 

Shankar averages really poor in Ranji with the ball. His average is 40, which is not

good enough to get him into Indian Test team as a player who can be used as an all rounder in Test. May be as a batsman who can bowl but definitely not a bowler whom a captain can trust a lot at this time

 

 

Also, not sure about that comparison of Kallis since Kallis was a boss at bowling long spells and maintaining good speed. Even recently in IPL and in test matches he was touching 144k in a lot speel after scoring a hundred for RSA.

 

Also even at lower speeds like 125-130, Kallis looked really skillfill with his outswing etc.

This is where we need to see how some of the bowlers including Shankar do when given more chances for India A or even in Ranji. Hopefully we will see enough Ranji games next year. Shankar at this time remains an all-round prospect more for the shorter format where he can be considered a batsman who bowls. 

 

For longer format, he perhaps will be considered mainly just for batting at this time, which alone is going to be interesting to follow as he is starting to rack up numbers now to impress. 

 

At this time, I am inpressed with his batting more and tha and would like to see how he does with batting, as just for batting alone he should be rewarded more India A opportunities

I am saying he should aim to be like Kallis or Watson who were wicket takers even though not express pace, I didn't mean he is already a Kallis type bowler. He has improved his bowling this season from what I have seen, and before that his bowling was pretty average and that is why has bad FC stats. Even someone like Kuldeep Yadav and Chahal have bad FC numbers but have improved this season so we should look at such stats with the required context.

 

Yes, batting is Shankar's strong forte but that alone is not going to get him into the test team because there are loads of pure bats who can get into team. His USP is as a pacer batting allrounder, so he should keep improving his bowling (speed, skills, etc) so that he can be an option for no.6 spot overseas.

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How is he a proper batsman, he has four hundred in 28 matches and his highest is score is 111 in five seasons.His bowling looks lot like Venky.We do not want this kind of players again.These bits and pieces players will take the team no where.

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35 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How is he a proper batsman, he has four hundred in 28 matches and his highest is score is 111 in five seasons.His bowling looks lot like Venky.We do not want this kind of players again.These bits and pieces players will take the team no where.

How many hundreds do you expect from someone batting at no.6/7 in 4 day games? He averages around 50 in FC and also got a hundred in 81 balls against Bangladesh in practice game which is not counted in his stats as it was an unofficial match.

 

How many hundreds does the hyped Hardik have in FC? - 0. But still we encourage Hardik based on potential. If you have ever seen Shankar bat then you will know his potential as a technically correct lower order batsman. 

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9 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

cant agree,short in domestic at that pace may work ,not in int

He was bowling at 135 kmph in last zonal match. He is a intelligent bowler & has ability to bowl consistent line & length. He has been economical even in the T20 tournament.

 

He was a front runner for the allrounder position according to Dravid & only due to his untimely injury, Hardik replaced him in the A team & grabbed the oppurtunity to be in the test squad now.

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5 hours ago, Forever Indian said:

Did you watch the Ranji quarters and semis? He was bowling mostly good length balls swinging both ways. Got even a 4 wicket haul against Mumbai in Semis: http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/engine/match/1053699.html

both are similar in effectiveness, shakar hit the deck a bit more but it is not enough for int, better to swing it like binny at that pace

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5 hours ago, Forever Indian said:

Did you watch the Ranji quarters and semis? He was bowling mostly good length balls swinging both ways. Got even a 4 wicket haul against Mumbai in Semis: http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/engine/match/1053699.html

both are similar in effectiveness, shakar hit the deck a bit more but it is not enough for int, better to swing it like binny at that pace

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6 hours ago, Forever Indian said:

Did you watch the Ranji quarters and semis? He was bowling mostly good length balls swinging both ways. Got even a 4 wicket haul against Mumbai in Semis: http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/engine/match/1053699.html

He definitely bowls short more often. Unfortunately some of them pitch just in front of him. 

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3 hours ago, Forever Indian said:

How many hundreds do you expect from someone batting at no.6/7 in 4 day games? He averages around 50 in FC and also got a hundred in 81 balls against Bangladesh in practice game which is not counted in his stats as it was an unofficial match.

 

How many hundreds does the hyped Hardik have in FC? - 0. But still we encourage Hardik based on potential. If you have ever seen Shankar bat then you will know his potential as a technically correct lower order batsman. 

He is going to play as a batsman who can bowl,  to play at no 6 you need to be better batsman. His bowling average is over 40  and  has taken just 21 wickets.

Pandya as it stands is not going become a test cricketer, he is 3 years younger than Shankar and also has more pace. I have not seen Shankar bat, far lesser players who have no chance of playing for India have played in IPL, why has this guy not played many matches in IPL then.

Pandya is more explosive batsman than him.

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16 minutes ago, putrevus said:

He is going to play as a batsman who can bowl,  to play at no 6 you need to be better batsman. His bowling average is over 40  and  has taken just 21 wickets.

Pandya as it stands is not going become a test cricketer, he is 3 years younger than Shankar and also has more pace. I have not seen Shankar bat, far lesser players who have no chance of playing for India have played in IPL, why has this guy not played many matches in IPL then.

Pandya is more explosive batsman than him.

If it is limited overs I agree Shankar is not a fit. I am just talking about tests here where our team needs a pacer allrounder overseas, the same role what Jayant Yadav is doing in India.

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1 minute ago, Forever Indian said:

If it is limited overs I agree Shankar is not a fit. I am just talking about tests here where our team needs a pacer allrounder overseas, the same role what Jayant Yadav is doing in India.

To play test cricket you need to be more fitter, you need to last 5 days. Why do you think people quit test cricket first and T20 last particulars fast bowlers.

 

Just because you need all rounder you do not play bits and pieces player, If i were Kohli or Kumble I would play both Jadeja and Ashwin with 3 fast bowlers when you play abroad over these bits and pieces players.

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2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

To play test cricket you need to be more fitter, you need to last 5 days. Why do you think people quit test cricket first and T20 last particulars fast bowlers.

 

Just because you need all rounder you do not play bits and pieces player, If i were Kohli or Kumble I would play both Jadeja and Ashwin with 3 fast bowlers when you play abroad over these bits and pieces players.

What is the use of two spinners when even one has been useless for us in Eng/Aus/NZ, etc. It should be 3 pacers, 1 pacer allrounder and 1 spinner.

 

No one is saying to play bits and pieces cricketer. A player averaging 50 in FC is a proper bat. Likes of Vijay, Sehwag, Ganguly, etc. did not even have that 50 average. Just because we have had someone like Binny who is a bits and pieces cricketer (averaging 34 with both bat and ball), it doesnt mean we stop looking for potential pacer allrounders.

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