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Vijay Shankar: I want to be a genuine allrounder

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3 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

What is the use of two spinners when even one has been useless for us in Eng/Aus/NZ, etc. It should be 3 pacers, 1 pacer allrounder and 1 spinner.

 

No one is saying to play bits and pieces cricketer. A player averaging 50 in FC is a proper bat. Likes of Vijay, Sehwag, Ganguly, etc. did not even have that 50 average. Just because we have had someone like Binny who is a bits and pieces cricketer (averaging 34 with both bat and ball), it doesnt mean we stop looking for potential pacer allrounders.

I never said to stop looking for all rounders but what you do not want to do is try to create one. Three fast bowlers are more than enough, I would take my chances with two very good spinners who can bat a bit over player who is averaging 40  with ball and has taken just 21  wickets in five years.He should be taking more that in one season.

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6 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

Again I am not saying Shankar or Pandya is the answer. But no harm giving them chances in A games and practice matches to see where they stand. Atleast that's what the team management believes as well.

He should get his chances but he is already 26 and fast bowlers tend to lose steam by 30.

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22 hours ago, putrevus said:

He should get his chances but he is already 26 and fast bowlers tend to lose steam by 30.

Not nowadays..... most pacers these days are bowling at almost full pace till 34 or thereabouts.

 

Fitness level have gone up a lot, especially among the 30+ guys

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18 hours ago, express bowling said:

Not nowadays..... most pacers these days are bowling at almost full pace till 34 or thereabouts.

 

Fitness level have gone up a lot, especially among the 30+ guys

He is not a pacer , he is at best 125 k bowler with over 40 bowling average and has taken just 21 wickets in five seasons, in what world are those figures suggesting that he will do a competent job as an allounder for Indian team.

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4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

He is not a pacer , he is at best 125 k bowler with over 40 bowling average and has taken just 21 wickets in five seasons, in what world are those figures suggesting that he will do a competent job as an allounder for Indian team.

He is perhaps one of those seamers who is bowling better this season and was not that good earlier.

 

Saw him bowl in a FC match and he was no worse than TN's front-line seamers.

 

He will not make it as a bowler or a bowling all-rounder..... but can make it to the team as a batsman who can bowl a few overs.

 

His advantage is that he has a FC average of 49 and plays like a proper batsman....ca hit the ball big too.

 

So, basically,  a batsman who can bowl.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, express bowling said:

He is perhaps one of those seamers who is bowling better this season and was not that good earlier.

 

Saw him bowl in a FC match and he was no worse than TN's front-line seamers.

 

He will not make it as a bowler or a bowling all-rounder..... but can make it to the team as a batsman who can bowl a few overs.

 

His advantage is that he has a FC average of 49 and plays like a proper batsman....ca hit the ball big too.

 

So, basically,  a batsman who can bowl.

 

 

 

He plays most of his games in Chennai, where that pitch is flat as pancake , I do not think his batting average is an indication of his ability.I do not see where he has impressed with either bat or ball this season to be even discussed for Indian team.India A is another story.

People who are saying what has Pandya done, well he has not anything spectacular in FC cricket but he is always in minds of selectors because he plays other forms of cricket and that is the advantage players like him have. Jadeja and Ashwin got into test team based on their exploits in short forms only.

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1 minute ago, putrevus said:

He plays most of his games in Chennai, where that pitch is flat as pancake , I do not think his batting average is an indication of his ability.I do not see where he has impressed with either bat or ball this season to be even discussed for Indian team.India A is another story.

People who are saying what has Pandya done, well he has not anything spectacular in FC cricket but he is always in minds of selectors because he plays other forms of cricket and that is the advantage players like him have. Jadeja and Ashwin got into test team based on their exploits in short forms only.

 

Shankar looked good in the SMA Trophy and was hitting 135 K + balls for 6s while picking up crucial wickets.

 

He also scored a 103 n.o very  quickly against the Bangladesh team in the 2 day match

 

it is possible that he is an improved player this year

 

Let's see if he does well in the IPL  against international bowlers

 

We will get a better idea about him then

 

 

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It doesn't matter what we feel about Shankar especially since he is into consideration by management. I heard commentators saying during one match that dravid is specifically monitoring him and is quite impressed. He will surely be fast tracked if he shows even few signs of improvement in his bowling and that will also keep Pandya on toes to be not complacent.

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

He plays most of his games in Chennai, where that pitch is flat as pancake , I do not think his batting average is an indication of his ability.I do not see where he has impressed with either bat or ball this season to be even discussed for Indian team.India A is another story.

People who are saying what has Pandya done, well he has not anything spectacular in FC cricket but he is always in minds of selectors because he plays other forms of cricket and that is the advantage players like him have. Jadeja and Ashwin got into test team based on their exploits in short forms only.

     For a serious cricket fan who has played at some level of cricket its very obvious the batting abilitiy  of Shankar .

     Looking at some of the comments its clear some people just want to blurt out bu ** it  without a good understanding of the game .

     May be thy have a look at  averages  and then have GO  here in this forum !!!    

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30 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

     For a serious cricket fan who has played at some level of cricket its very obvious the batting abilitiy  of Shankar .

     Looking at some of the comments its clear some people just want to blurt out bu ** it  without a good understanding of the game .

     May be thy have a look at  averages  and then have GO  here in this forum !!!    

 

I think many people have not seen him bat, hence the reaction.

 

In the telecasted Ranji game featuring Tamil Nadu, Shankar was batting properly, like a good batsman does. His innings was filled with strokes too.    In the T20 games, he displayed the ability to hit 135 k + seamers for big hits.  batting talent is obviously there.

 

His defensive game is unknown to me though, especially against quicks.

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6 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

I think many people have not seen him bat, hence the reaction.

 

In the telecasted Ranji game featuring Tamil Nadu, Shankar was batting properly, like a good batsman does. His innings was filled with strokes too.    In the T20 games, he displayed the ability to hit 135 k + seamers for big hits.  batting talent is obviously there.

 

His defensive game is unknown to me though, especially against quicks.

Whatever i have seen of him i think he ll struggle against full incoming ball as his front feet doesnt move much. Which will b problem if he chases ball outside off. 

But also what matters in his case is that his batting is way better than PAndya. 

Pandya is a better bowler......now depends on team which area they wanna boost batting or bowling

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V Shankar is a technically sound batsmen with good strokes as well, organised, knows his game n has time to play shots, he is someone like Pujara in terms of more of a test batsmen but lately also has done well in limited formats.He will be a batsmen who can play in diff conditions also can play n keep out good bowlers n deliveries, will def be a good test bat.

His bowling has few positives , a good action, control, is a strong ,tallish bowler n bowls a heavy ball, is accurate n a thinking cricketer, he will def be a good limited over bowler as he is accurate n bowls to a plan, also he is not a stop gap bowler like Binny but can play as a third or 4 bowler in conditions, bowls from 130 to 135 k but gets some bounce n pace of wkt, also see him get quicker as he bowls in int cricket as he is a motivated cricketer.

Shankar n Pandya will serve India for long as allrounders barring injury, also 26 to 27 is not old these days n he already is experienced , bowlers with the modern training n fitness levels peak at 28 to 34 n can well play until 36 to 37

 

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Vijay Shankar is often criticised for the pace at which he bowls,but he believes that he can bowl faster and is working on it. Talking about bowling, he said, “I can bowl a bit quicker. After the surgery, I had some niggles and it was very difficult to bowl fast. It took some time for me to recover completely. Because of that, I couldn’t work on few things.

 

“My stride length (in the Ranji trophy season) became long and if I manage to reduce it, I can bowl a quicker. I am already working on it and hopeful of correcting it at the earliest.”

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On 10/31/2015 at 7:26 AM, rkt.india said:

No. Batsman who can bowl is always preferred as a 5th bowler.

exactly AR's in test are always 5th and 6th bowlers - one always need 4 good bowlers to take 20 wickets and one or two 5th and 6th bowlers who could help take wickets and also hold one end up and give rest to fast bowlers - ideally i will want even the fifth bowler of the standard of the first 4 bowlers and hardik is quite good..if vijay shankar cannot bowl as good as Pandya than He should not play for INDIA as an all rounder and should be dumped like rishi dhawan and stuart binny.

 

we need a medium pace all rounder as good as Hardik Pandya - who can be as good as a bowler as pandya and probably as good as pandya as a batsman.

even our kedar jadhav is saving his seat in the team bcos of his Bowling Skills and is kinda doing the role of the 6th bowler whenever he gets his chance, had he failed as a bowler , he would have been playing the state teams by  now.

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Shankar can bat at top 6 as he's a proper batsman and also a decent hitter.His bowling can never be 5th option

in LOIs but can be a 6th bowling option with Pandya around.Him and Pandya at 6 and 7 can give us immense

balance.He can also be a back up option for Hardik. He's tall and bowls around 125-130 ks.So if he can keep it

tight he'll be handful while I guess he can hit 135k in intl. LOIs.

Edited by ShebbySB

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On 19/02/2017 at 6:58 AM, putrevus said:

He plays most of his games in Chennai, where that pitch is flat as pancake , I do not think his batting average is an indication of his ability.I do not see where he has impressed with either bat or ball this season to be even discussed for Indian team.India A is another story.

People who are saying what has Pandya done, well he has not anything spectacular in FC cricket but he is always in minds of selectors because he plays other forms of cricket and that is the advantage players like him have. Jadeja and Ashwin got into test team based on their exploits in short forms only.

Are other Indian pitches spitting mambas ?

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9 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

exactly AR's in test are always 5th and 6th bowlers - one always need 4 good bowlers to take 20 wickets and one or two 5th and 6th bowlers who could help take wickets and also hold one end up and give rest to fast bowlers - ideally i will want even the fifth bowler of the standard of the first 4 bowlers and hardik is quite good..if vijay shankar cannot bowl as good as Pandya than He should not play for INDIA as an all rounder and should be dumped like rishi dhawan and stuart binny.

 

we need a medium pace all rounder as good as Hardik Pandya - who can be as good as a bowler as pandya and probably as good as pandya as a batsman.

even our kedar jadhav is saving his seat in the team bcos of his Bowling Skills and is kinda doing the role of the 6th bowler whenever he gets his chance, had he failed as a bowler , he would have been playing the state teams by  now.

He can take a place of 6th batsmen though ,and also provide an extra bowling option to provide rest to regular bowlers in test.... imagine a lower middle order lineup of shankar,ashwin,pandya,shaha,shami, umesh,ishant/or any 3rd fast bowler  for overseas tour.

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In the InterZonal T20 and Syed Mushtaq Ali T20, Vijay was brilliant with both and ball.

 

 In the Vijay Hazare trophy, he scored 198 runs in 7 innings at an average of 66 and excelled as a finisher. His gritty half-century against Baroda in the semi-finals helped his team cross the line in spite of a mini batting collapse.

 

He was also equally good with the ball as he picked up 8 wickets in six matches at an average of 18 with an economy of 4.44. 

 

Being a reliable batsman, Vijay aims to be a finisher who is capable of taking his team home. And in the Vijay Hazare trophy, he showed exactly why he can be a good finisher.

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16 hours ago, ShebbySB said:

Shankar can bat at top 6 as he's a proper batsman and also a decent hitter.His bowling can never be 5th option

in LOIs but can be a 6th bowling option with Pandya around.Him and Pandya at 6 and 7 can give us immense

balance.He can also be a back up option for Hardik.He's tall and bowls around 125-130 ks.So if he can keep it

tight he'll be handful while I guess he can hit 135k in intl. LOIs.

Proved it today with the bat...

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That is fine but I would like Shankar to be a genuine bat good enough to make it to the side as a no.5 bat...he clearly has natural batting talent which is very impressive ...he can be like Shane Watson...someone who can bowl a few overs and test the batsman.

 

I always believe Allrounder has to get in to the side solely on one skill set.

 

focussing on something not his strong suite I don't want it to run his strength

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If Shankar can become a 140k bowler without losing his batting skill  than good for him...he is good enough to make it as a no 5 bat and if he can be someone who bowls at 130ks and can move the ball around in seaming conditions and break partnerships in LOI cricket that is good enough. I don't know why we are discussing him as a bowler...the guy is a very classy bat.

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30 minutes ago, maniac said:

If Shankar can become a 140k bowler without losing his batting skill  than good for him...he is good enough to make it as a no 5 bat and if he can be someone who bowls at 130ks and can move the ball around in seaming conditions and break partnerships in LOI cricket that is good enough. I don't know why we are discussing him as a bowler...the guy is a very classy bat.

Very unlikely...

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