Vijay Shankar: I want to be a genuine allrounder

[express bowling]

 

 

He did play well against the pacers of SA A. They all at least hit 140k.

That is the kind of batsman I am looking for. 

[rkt.india]

That is the kind of batsman I am looking for. 

Had a not out half century against Aus A too.

[express bowling]

Had a not out half century against Aus A too.

Nice.

[jusarrived]

If he is 120s bowler, then thanks but no thanks. Enough of S.Ganguly, S. Binny, Rishi Dhawan, 120 lollipops.

if we cannot find one genuine AR , then two batting AR's will do . That will allow us to play 4 genuine wicket takers ( 2 pace + 2 spin ) .

[gakgupta]

This guy looks like a decent all-rounder....He is hitting >130 regularly....and he is a proper batsmen...

Good that he is being part of every important domestic game

[Cricketics]

Looks a good batsman but would like to see how he progresses as a bowler. Can get into the team alone with his batting in future since he can bowl also but not really sure if he is good enough bowler at this time to be used in International cricket where he can give assurance to Kohli that he can bowl 5-7 overs if picked.

 

Should continue to improve his bowling. Speed matters at times but 130k bowler isn't bad either if he can bat really well for the team as it can give us a good option for the team.

 

 

[Forever Indian]

8 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Looks a good batsman but would like to see how he progresses as a bowler. Can get into the team alone with his batting in future since he can bowl also but not really sure if he is good enough bowler at this time to be used in International cricket where he can give assurance to Kohli that he can bowl 5-7 overs if picked.

 

Should continue to improve his bowling. Speed matters at times but 130k bowler isn't bad either if he can bat really well for the team as it can give us a good option for the team.

 

 

I feel he is more suited to tests than LOIs at the moment. He is a wicket taking bowler from what I have seen. If he can develop into a bowler like Kallis or Watson who are not express but are wicket taking then he can become a solid batting allrounder. Also if he can bowl at 135ks then that would be even more helpful.

 

He is also quite tall and swings the ball which will be very helpful in overseas tests.

Edited February 16, 2017 by Forever Indian

[Cricketics]

1 hour ago, Forever Indian said:

I feel he is more suited to tests than LOIs at the moment. He is a wicket taking bowler from what I have seen. If he can develop into a bowler like Kallis or Watson who are not express but are wicket taking then he can become a solid batting allrounder. Also if he can bowl at 135ks then that would be even more helpful.

 

 

Shankar averages really poor in Ranji with the ball. His average is 40, which is not

good enough to get him into Indian Test team as a player who can be used as an all rounder in Test. May be as a batsman who can bowl but definitely not a bowler whom a captain can trust a lot at this time

 

 

Also, not sure about that comparison of Kallis since Kallis was a boss at bowling long spells and maintaining good speed. Even recently in IPL and in test matches he was touching 144k in a lot speel after scoring a hundred for RSA.

 

Also even at lower speeds like 125-130, Kallis looked really skillfill with his outswing etc.

This is where we need to see how some of the bowlers including Shankar do when given more chances for India A or even in Ranji. Hopefully we will see enough Ranji games next year. Shankar at this time remains an all-round prospect more for the shorter format where he can be considered a batsman who bowls. 

 

For longer format, he perhaps will be considered mainly just for batting at this time, which alone is going to be interesting to follow as he is starting to rack up numbers now to impress. 

 

At this time, I am inpressed with his batting more and tha and would like to see how he does with batting, as just for batting alone he should be rewarded more India A opportunities

[King Tendulkar]

Look up word trundler in dictionary and you will see a pic of this guy 

 

his bowling will get wrecked in international cricket 

[Cricketics]

7 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Look up word trundler in dictionary and you will see a pic of this guy 

 

his bowling will get wrecked in international cricket 

To win in test matches overseas, we can not rely on such bowlers.

 

Kohli is finally a captain who is thinking of winning games with players who are "proper" bowlers. He knows that we can not have the same old ways of selecting teams based on the thinking that "oh he can bowl a bit" if we pick him. You do not win test matches like this overseas.

 

Need proper test bowlers and bats. 

 

[gakgupta]

2 hours ago, Cricketics said:

 

 

Shankar averages really poor in Ranji with the ball. His average is 40, which is not

good enough to get him into Indian Test team as a player who can be used as an all rounder in Test. May be as a batsman who can bowl but definitely not a bowler whom a captain can trust a lot at this time

 

 

Also, not sure about that comparison of Kallis since Kallis was a boss at bowling long spells and maintaining good speed. Even recently in IPL and in test matches he was touching 144k in a lot speel after scoring a hundred for RSA.

 

Also even at lower speeds like 125-130, Kallis looked really skillfill with his outswing etc.

This is where we need to see how some of the bowlers including Shankar do when given more chances for India A or even in Ranji. Hopefully we will see enough Ranji games next year. Shankar at this time remains an all-round prospect more for the shorter format where he can be considered a batsman who bowls. 

 

For longer format, he perhaps will be considered mainly just for batting at this time, which alone is going to be interesting to follow as he is starting to rack up numbers now to impress. 

 

At this time, I am inpressed with his batting more and tha and would like to see how he does with batting, as just for batting alone he should be rewarded more India A opportunities

He has improved his bowling a lot from last few months.....so his ranji statistics doesn't show much....

Moreover, he can be used a 5th bowler to give rest to main bowlers and bowl some tidy overs....

so, he can be considered as a batting all-rounder outside india....

[King Tendulkar]

37 minutes ago, gakgupta said:

He has improved his bowling a lot from last few months.....so his ranji statistics doesn't show much....

Moreover, he can be used a 5th bowler to give rest to main bowlers and bowl some tidy overs....

so, he can be considered as a batting all-rounder outside india....

He is a rubbish bowler and could be considered as 6th type bowler for india . He better be bloody good batsman is all I say as his bowling makes bk look express 

[express bowling]

Shankar does not have pace but he has height and can hit the deck hard to get bounce....steep bounce on occasions.

[Forever Indian]

4 hours ago, Cricketics said:

 

 

Shankar averages really poor in Ranji with the ball. His average is 40, which is not

good enough to get him into Indian Test team as a player who can be used as an all rounder in Test. May be as a batsman who can bowl but definitely not a bowler whom a captain can trust a lot at this time

 

 

Also, not sure about that comparison of Kallis since Kallis was a boss at bowling long spells and maintaining good speed. Even recently in IPL and in test matches he was touching 144k in a lot speel after scoring a hundred for RSA.

 

Also even at lower speeds like 125-130, Kallis looked really skillfill with his outswing etc.

This is where we need to see how some of the bowlers including Shankar do when given more chances for India A or even in Ranji. Hopefully we will see enough Ranji games next year. Shankar at this time remains an all-round prospect more for the shorter format where he can be considered a batsman who bowls. 

 

For longer format, he perhaps will be considered mainly just for batting at this time, which alone is going to be interesting to follow as he is starting to rack up numbers now to impress. 

 

At this time, I am inpressed with his batting more and tha and would like to see how he does with batting, as just for batting alone he should be rewarded more India A opportunities

I am saying he should aim to be like Kallis or Watson who were wicket takers even though not express pace, I didn't mean he is already a Kallis type bowler. He has improved his bowling this season from what I have seen, and before that his bowling was pretty average and that is why has bad FC stats. Even someone like Kuldeep Yadav and Chahal have bad FC numbers but have improved this season so we should look at such stats with the required context.

 

Yes, batting is Shankar's strong forte but that alone is not going to get him into the test team because there are loads of pure bats who can get into team. His USP is as a pacer batting allrounder, so he should keep improving his bowling (speed, skills, etc) so that he can be an option for no.6 spot overseas.

Edited February 16, 2017 by Forever Indian

[rkt.india]

17 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

his bowling has to improve a lot to be an allrounder in int cricket ,even binny's bowling is better than his

his bowling is certainly better than Binny of what i have seen in SMA trophy.

[Forever Indian]

4 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

cant agree,short in domestic at that pace may work ,not in int

Did you watch the Ranji quarters and semis? He was bowling mostly good length balls swinging both ways. Got even a 4 wicket haul against Mumbai in Semis: http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/engine/match/1053699.html

[Pollack]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

his bowling is certainly better than Binny of what i have seen in SMA trophy.

No. Binny is a better bowler in my humble opinion.Though no comparisons in batting. V Shankar is a proper batsman as of now.

[putrevus]

How is he a proper batsman, he has four hundred in 28 matches and his highest is score is 111 in five seasons.His bowling looks lot like Venky.We do not want this kind of players again.These bits and pieces players will take the team no where.

[Forever Indian]

35 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How is he a proper batsman, he has four hundred in 28 matches and his highest is score is 111 in five seasons.His bowling looks lot like Venky.We do not want this kind of players again.These bits and pieces players will take the team no where.

How many hundreds do you expect from someone batting at no.6/7 in 4 day games? He averages around 50 in FC and also got a hundred in 81 balls against Bangladesh in practice game which is not counted in his stats as it was an unofficial match.

 

How many hundreds does the hyped Hardik have in FC? - 0. But still we encourage Hardik based on potential. If you have ever seen Shankar bat then you will know his potential as a technically correct lower order batsman. 

Edited February 17, 2017 by Forever Indian

[tweaker]

9 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

cant agree,short in domestic at that pace may work ,not in int

He was bowling at 135 kmph in last zonal match. He is a intelligent bowler & has ability to bowl consistent line & length. He has been economical even in the T20 tournament.

 

He was a front runner for the allrounder position according to Dravid & only due to his untimely injury, Hardik replaced him in the A team & grabbed the oppurtunity to be in the test squad now.