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'AB de Villiers is going to be more popular than Sachin Tendulkar'

by Ruchir Mishra • Last updated on Monday, 02 November, 2015, 07:37 AM
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AB de Villiers is in the Sachin Tendulkar category in ODI cricket, feels Fanie de Villiers
AB de Villiers is in the Sachin Tendulkar category in ODI cricket, feels Fanie de Villiers © Getty

 

Fanie de Villiers wasn't too optimistic about South Africa's chances before the tour. The former South Africa pacer was worried that they would struggle in Indian conditions. However, so far, the Proteas are on top having won five out of seven games in the ongoing tour, winning both, the Twenty20 and One-day International (ODI) series. De Villiers, who is pleasantly surprised, spoke to TOI about South Africa's historic victory and various factors. Excerpts from an interview....

What do you think of South Africa's win in the ODI series?
They surprised me by winning the ODI series. They didn't surprise me in winning the T20 series. With Ashwin not in the team, it made a lot of difference, but our boys played extremely well and I am extremely proud of them. I was very surprised the way they played in the last game. It was exciting to see them play such bold cricket.

What was the key for South Africa's success in this series?
I think batsmen scoring hundreds made the difference. When batsmen score hundreds in India, it gives the team a chance to win games. Three hundreds in the last game (at the Wankhede) was just unbelievable.

What do you think of this South African attack?
It's easy to win matches when somebody is chasing 400-odd runs. Then anyone can bowl. However, in the previous game, South Africa bowlers did an extremely good job. (Kagiso) Rabada is a wonderful little bowler. He has got a lot of potential. He will learn a lot from Steyn and Morkel. Tahir was an absolute trump card. He was our superstar.

Do you think South Africa will be more confident after this twin victory over India?
You can't take this victory into the Test series. It's a completely different scenario. I think we all know that it is possible for South Africa to beat India if they play good cricket and if they will be able to handle and get used to the conditions. With all the games they have played and IPL, they have actually leveled the playing conditions by adapting well to Indian conditions. Our players are used to Indian conditions and India have been their own architect of this result by having overseas players getting used to the Indian conditions. In the past, we haven't lost against India, we have lost against the conditions.

India aren't good overseas, they are only good in their own conditions.They are basically the architect of their own downfall because you have created the scenario where our players can play in your conditions.

What's your take on AB de Villiers as a batsman and captain?
Can I tell you something about AB de Villiers? AB is going to be more popular than Sachin Tendulkar in world cricket. That's the calibre of a person we are talking about; that's the cricketer we are talking about; that's the loveable, marketable player we are talking about. He is in the Sachin Tendulkar category. If you are in the Tendulkar category , when it comes to marketing the game of cricket, you are special. You can compare his records with Tendulkar; you feel this guy is even better than Tendulkar in ODIs. You can compare his popularity around the world and at home, he is in the category of Sachin Tendulkar.

It's a privilege to be in that class or category on and off the field. He is very much the same as Tendulkar. The moment you start going for all kinds of offfield flashy and blink, you develop a flaw in your personality. You are trying to show not what you are.

AB hasn't got any of those things and Sachin had nothing of that either. Sampras had nothing of that, Federer had nothing of that. When you're a top sportsman like Sachin Tendulkar and AB de Villiers, you don't need to do anything like that. You are already very popular and that's a lesson for all those people full of tattoos, full of hair styles and full of earrings.

So you weren't surprised when the Indian public cheered for AB?
Who else do the Indian public cheer for as much as AB? Not many. AB is that sort of cricketer. He should have been Test and T20 captain as well. They deprived AB of not captaining South Africa in all formats.

 

Source : http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/75572/ab-de-villiers-is-going-to-be-more-popular-than-sachin-tendulkar

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He is already more popular internationally than sachin .

And vastly more talented too.

I wouldnt say vastly . Tendulkar had everything in him to play like AB does , its just that the game was different and has changed a lot in past few years . AB tough is a touch more talented , just marginal again .

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ABDV is a supreme ATHLETE . so "vastly" is an appropriate intensifier to use when comparing his talent with sachin or any other batsman.

ABDV is averaging 62 + in both ODI's and tests since 2008 . And he was a wicket-keeper for most of the games.

He scored some 30 runs off 230 balls to save a test in Aus and then 160+ off 189 balls in another test to win the SERIES in Aus.

 

> He was shortlisted for South Africa's junior national hockey team.

> He made it to the shortlist of South Africa's junior national football team.

> He was captain of South Africa's junior national rugby team.

> He holds six South African school swimming records.

> He holds the record in the 100m dash in South Africa's junior athletics.

> He was a member of South Africa's junior Davis Cup tennis team.

> He was South Africa's U-19 national badminton champion.

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De Villiers if not playing cricket could easily have played a number of other sports as he is athletically gifted.

Tendulkar in contrast if he had not made it in cricket would probably have been the company accountant in an accountancy firm.

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Lol Abdv is a great odi batsman.But He is league below as a test batsman,Its natural when a batsman is at his peak for this comparisons.He usually sturggles at home even against teams like india,pak he just does not cover the line so has problems outside off stump.I have seen him against good test bowlers they induced edge so easily.

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He's at his peak just like what Ponting was between 2004_07

 

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ABDV is a supreme ATHLETE . so "vastly" is an appropriate intensifier to use when comparing his talent with sachin or any other batsman.

ABDV is averaging 62 + in both ODI's and tests since 2008 . And he was a wicket-keeper for most of the games.

He scored some 30 runs off 230 balls to save a test in Aus and then 160+ off 189 balls in another test to win the SERIES in Aus.

 

I wouldnt say vastly . Tendulkar had everything in him to play like AB does , its just that the game was different and has changed a lot in past few years . AB tough is a touch more talented , just marginal again .

There will hardly be any body more talented than tendulkar.Natural talent be it hand eye coordination or time to play fast bowlers or ability to play on backfoot or front foot,Technique against spin.Sachin is vastly superior to Most only lara comes close ,

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ABDV the ODI player is in a different league compared to the test batsman.  Let's see how he performs in the next 2-3 seasons before we anoint him another Tendulkar.  That's the greatness of SRT - Since the 90s, there have been umpteen "next Tendulkars".  Its not the excellence, its the longevity that separates him from the pack.  That's not to say ABD is not a great cricketer, but let's just hold off on the coronation.

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ABDV is a supreme ATHLETE . so "vastly" is an appropriate intensifier to use when comparing his talent with sachin or any other batsman.

ABDV is averaging 62 + in both ODI's and tests since 2008 . And he was a wicket-keeper for most of the games.

He scored some 30 runs off 230 balls to save a test in Aus and then 160+ off 189 balls in another test to win the SERIES in Aus.

 

Problem is when Sachin played a 100 balls 16 runs to save a test he was criticized from all quarters.( We didn't save the test though)

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Problem is when Sachin played a 100 balls 16 runs to save a test he was criticized from all quarters.( We didn't save the test though)

Not only did AB save a test and score quick runs to help his team win a series in Aus , but he was also the best Test batsman at home when South African batsmen were destroyed by Mitchel Johnson . He averaged 56 in that series loss.

IMO , He is a better player of fast bowling than sachin ever was.

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Not only did AB save a test and score quick runs to help his team win a series in Aus , but he was also the best Test batsman at home when South African batsmen were destroyed by Mitchel Johnson . He averaged 56 in that series loss.

IMO , He is a better player of fast bowling than sachin ever was.

Sachin was better on bowler friendly pitches and had better technique and footwork.

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De Villiers if not playing cricket could easily have played a number of other sports as he is athletically gifted.

Tendulkar in contrast if he had not made it in cricket would probably have been the company accountant in an accountancy firm.

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Tendulkar is an awesome Table tennis and tennis player. He has the wrists of a God. Also, he was one of the stand out football players when there was an exhibition match, remember him scoring a hatrick. No where near AB's athleticism of course, but his arms and wrists would have made him a great player in other sports as well. 

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Sachin's ability to play genuine pace and genuine spin on challenging tracks was better than ABDV. During his peak years, he did not have the super bats that batsmen like ABDV have now.

ABDV is a better ODI batsman than Sachin.

In tests, Sachin is still better than ABDV.

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Not only did AB save a test and score quick runs to help his team win a series in Aus , but he was also the best Test batsman at home when South African batsmen were destroyed by Mitchel Johnson . He averaged 56 in that series loss.

IMO , He is a better player of fast bowling than sachin ever was.

Just look at the quality of fast bowlers abdv faced and compare that to sachin u will get the answer.90's is regarded as one of the best decades for fast bowling.Imo the bowling standard was best of alltime.

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AB isn't even close to Amla as a test batsman, and we have comparisons with Bradman going on...

How is Amla better test batsman than AB, AB played one fourth of his tests purely as wicket keeper and still has  same average as Amla.

When all formats are combined AB is better than Amla.

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If ABD was Indian definitely he would have been more popular than Sachin by now  he is better player then Sachin in 20/20 or ODI which more  watched format  although Sachin is better batsmen  with Technique ABD is more of athlete and more exiting too watch  

If I was given choice to watch ABD best innings and Sachin  best innings live I would go for ABD  because its going to be more exiting 

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If ABD was Indian definitely he would have been more popular than Sachin by now  he is better player then Sachin in 20/20 or ODI which more  watched format  although Sachin is better batsmen  with Technique ABD is more of athlete and more exiting too watch  

If I was given choice to watch ABD best innings and Sachin  best innings live I would go for ABD  because its going to be more exiting 

ABD is definitely more 'exiting' than Sachin that's for sure

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If ABD was Indian definitely he would have been more popular than Sachin by now  he is better player then Sachin in 20/20 or ODI which more  watched format  although Sachin is better batsmen  with Technique ABD is more of athlete and more exiting too watch  

If I was given choice to watch ABD best innings and Sachin  best innings live I would go for ABD  because its going to be more exiting 

Sachin scored a 20 something ball 50 in the an exhibition 20/20 in the 80s. Are you really suggesting that Desert storm, etc was not super exciting during their time? Sachin too redefined cricket in his time, just because times have changed you cannot compare one with another. You are comparing AB in his prime with Sachin of a couple of years ago. 

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Whether or not he will be more popular but he will/already is wayyy more Effective...!!!

Aapke effectiveness ka definition thoda different hai shayad. Sachin ka one of the criticism was he scored great first innings 100 in ODIs which won matches but not 2nd innings and same can be said for AB. And in both their cases often it is their team letting them down

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There will hardly be any body more talented than tendulkar.Natural talent be it hand eye coordination or time to play fast bowlers or ability to play on backfoot or front foot,Technique against spin.Sachin is vastly superior to Most only lara comes close ,

AB is a freak . I never thot I will see a batsmen who would have more time to play a shot than Tendulkar did , in that regard only hes better . Otherwise Sachin is more correct and complete batsmen . 

Lara was attractive , talented and good to watch but his game was not versatile like Sachin or AB .   

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Whether or not he will be more popular but he will/already is wayyy more Effective...!!!

AB is only effective when there is no pressure on . He hasnt done enough in Test cricket , in ODIs all his good innings are batting first & hes a flop in T20 internationals . 

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Sachin's ability to play genuine pace and genuine spin on challenging tracks was better than ABDV. During his peak years, he did not have the super bats that batsmen like ABDV have now.

ABDV is a better ODI batsman than Sachin.

In tests, Sachin is still better than ABDV.

What genuine pace bowlers did Sachin face and what were his stand out knocks against them  fast pitches in 1990s.

He never scored 100 when both Walsh and Ambrose played together in four tests.He played five tests scored one hundred when both Pollock and Donald played but in same match 4 other hundreds were scored including one by Azhar.

He played four tests against Waqar and Wasim for his Chennai 100.It is not like Sachin was tormented by 1980s WI pacemen throughout his career.

Compare Steve Waugh , he had  to play 23 tests with both Walsh and Ambrose scored 4 hundreds, 14 tests with both Pollock and Donald scored 2 hundreds, 7 tests with both Akram and Waqar.Steve Waugh was not better player but he had to play more against the best fast bowlers together in 1990s.

Sachin played great Australian team once in 1999 and scored one hundred, he did well in that series. 

Spinners I don't think any spinners have dominated Indian batsmen in India except Swann and Panessar.

Sachin was a great player but like Kapil Dev said he did not full fill his potential as he never learnt to dominate by scoring big hundreds.

Another excuse thrown out for Sachin "yea but Sachin played with weak teams " no Sachin played with one of strongest batting line ups in home conditions, which along with Sachin never found a way to support its weaker bowling when playing overseas.

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Sachin's ability to play genuine pace and genuine spin on challenging tracks was better than ABDV. During his peak years, he did not have the super bats that batsmen like ABDV have now.

ABDV is a better ODI batsman than Sachin.

In tests, Sachin is still better than ABDV.

Not so long ago people used to say Sachin is a better batsman in ODIs, Lara is a better batsman in Tests .... 

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What genuine pace bowlers did Sachin face and what were his stand out knocks against them  fast pitches in 1990s.

He never scored 100 when both Walsh and Ambrose played together in four tests.He played five tests scored one hundred when both Pollock and Donald played but in same match 4 other hundreds were scored including one by Azhar.

He played four tests against Waqar and Wasim for his Chennai 100.It is not like Sachin was tormented by 1980s WI pacemen throughout his career.

Compare Steve Waugh , he had  to play 23 tests with both Walsh and Ambrose scored 4 hundreds, 14 tests with both Pollock and Donald scored 2 hundreds, 7 tests with both Akram and Waqar.Steve Waugh was not better player but he had to play more against the best fast bowlers together in 1990s.

Sachin played great Australian team once in 1999 and scored one hundred, he did well in that series. 

Spinners I don't think any spinners have dominated Indian batsmen in India except Swann and Panessar.

Sachin was a great player but like Kapil Dev said he did not full fill his potential as he never learnt to dominate by scoring big hundreds.

Another excuse thrown out for Sachin "yea but Sachin played with weak teams " no Sachin played with one of strongest batting line ups in home conditions, which along with Sachin never found a way to support its weaker bowling when playing overseas.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=default;player_involve=10280;player_involve=1765;player_involve=1775;player_involve=1884;player_involve=1924;player_involve=1935;player_involve=2011;player_involve=2101;player_involve=2166;player_involve=2228;player_involve=2286;player_involve=4073;player_involve=47154;player_involve=5649;template=results;type=batting

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What genuine pace bowlers did Sachin face and what were his stand out knocks against them  fast pitches in 1990s.

He never scored 100 when both Walsh and Ambrose played together in four tests.He played five tests scored one hundred when both Pollock and Donald played but in same match 4 other hundreds were scored including one by Azhar.

He played four tests against Waqar and Wasim for his Chennai 100.It is not like Sachin was tormented by 1980s WI pacemen throughout his career.

Compare Steve Waugh , he had  to play 23 tests with both Walsh and Ambrose scored 4 hundreds, 14 tests with both Pollock and Donald scored 2 hundreds, 7 tests with both Akram and Waqar.Steve Waugh was not better player but he had to play more against the best fast bowlers together in 1990s.

Sachin played great Australian team once in 1999 and scored one hundred, he did well in that series. 

Spinners I don't think any spinners have dominated Indian batsmen in India except Swann and Panessar.

Sachin was a great player but like Kapil Dev said he did not full fill his potential as he never learnt to dominate by scoring big hundreds.

Another excuse thrown out for Sachin "yea but Sachin played with weak teams " no Sachin played with one of strongest batting line ups in home conditions, which along with Sachin never found a way to support its weaker bowling when playing overseas.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;orderby=default;player_involve=10280;player_involve=1765;player_involve=1775;player_involve=1884;player_involve=1924;player_involve=1935;player_involve=2011;player_involve=2101;player_involve=2166;player_involve=2228;player_involve=2286;player_involve=4073;player_involve=47154;player_involve=5649;template=results;type=batting

 

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Hipposucks has given some nice stats here showcasing what I was saying.

We were not comparing Sachin with Waugh here but with ABDV.

The point I was primarily making was...in the 90s the quality of bats were far inferior to what it is now.  The batting style ( pre T20s ) was much more sedate too...many shots played nowadays were not played by anybody then. In such a scenario, in TEST matches, the way Sachin dominated the bowlers and scored loads of runs for the first 13 years of his career against really good quality pace and spin was very exciting compared to most other test batsmen of that time. His tennis elbow and unwillingness to quit at the proper time changed the,way he is perceived as a batsman nowadays. ABDV...with the modern super bats and T20 ) playing experience...may seem more  destructive and exciting than Sachin in tests but, if we correct for the period factor, then that is not the case.

Sachin demolished Warne in tests played in India too during the 90s.

 
 
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SRT only faced 2 genuine fast bowlers in 90s Brett Lee and Akhtar and to some extent Donald though he wasnt as quick. Wasim and Waqar, he didnt face at their peak.

Lee and Shoaib were express bowlers at their peak. Often bowling 145 to 156 k spells, albeit for only a few years. Then they dropped down to fast i.e 140 to 150 k mostly. We don't have any express bowlers at test level now and ABDV does not have to face them.

Donald was never express but, at his peak, he was a genuine fast bowler who probably bowled in the  140 to 150 k range. Gillespie anf Ntini also bowled fast during their peak years as did lance Klusener. Bishop and Patterson were genuinely quick during their peak years too. ( i.e fast but not express )   SRT played them.

 

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Lee and Shoaib were express bowlers at their peak. Often bowling 145 to 156 k spells, albeit for only a few years. Then they dropped down to fast i.e 140 to 150 k mostly. We don't have any express bowlers at test level now.

Donald was never express but, at his peak, he was a genuine fast bowler who probably bowled in the  140 to 150 k range. Gillespie anf Ntini also bowled fast during their peak years as did lance Klusener. Bishop and Patterson were genuinely quick during their peak years too. ( i.e fast but not express )   SRT played them.

 

dont know how much Patterson SRT played, but Bishop had lost pace by 90s after his back injury. Gillespie and Ntini were mostly fast medium, not fast.

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Abdv is probably the first batsman after srt who has almost zero weaknesses.comparing srt to abdv is not on because of a massive Change in the eras but when people say abdv is superior than sachin they conveniently forget that sachin in the 90s was a different beast altogether!! It was only after the tennis elbow,he changed his game and most of the newbies remember sachin merely as an accumulator which is unfair

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Abdv is probably the first batsman after srt who has almost zero weaknesses.comparing srt to abdv is not on because of a massive Change in the eras but when people say abdv is superior than sachin they conveniently forget that sachin in the 90s was a different beast altogether!! It was only after the tennis elbow,he changed his game and most of the newbies remember sachin merely as an accumulator which is unfair

Abdv has technical issues against moving ball it is well known.He has a knack of not playing beside the line to outswingers and not moving his feet much .He was sree's bunny.

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Why do some people take offense whenever someone is rated higher than SRT.

Sehwag played Left arm spinners better than SRT, Sachin never had reverse sweep therefore he was getting handcuffed when they bowled round the wicket.

They somehow feel only 1990s had fast bowlers and other eras had useless bowlers..What about Sunny who played for much more weaker team and still did very well against greatest fastest bowling attack in the history of the game.

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