Rightarmfast Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 one problem with judging those pacers speed based on that speed competition is one never know the accuracy of the speed gun used in that competition compared to the ones being used now.People had travelled to the moon in 60's, and you are questioning a simple speed machine's authenticity? The mechanism is still the same, there's no way that caliberation wouldn't be done if speeds are to be compared. Hence, the speed would ofcourse be caliberated from those speed guns to the one's used now, by ICC express bowling 1 Link to comment
Mosher Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) NZ coach Craig Mcmillan doubting the speed gun's reading.Mitchell Starc has challenged New Zealand batting coach, Craig McMillan, to face him in the nets after McMillan questioned whether the left-arm quick had topped 160kph.During a fiery spell after lunch on the third day Starc delivered the fastest recorded delivery in a Test; a searing yorker to Ross Taylor which was clocked by the Nine Network's speed gun at 160.4kph.But McMillan, who faced the fastest recorded delivery in an ODI against Pakistan at Lahore in 2002, questioned the legitimacy of the technology."I don't know, maybe someone in the truck was having a bit of fun but that delivery came out of nowhere and looked pretty similar to a lot of deliveries throughout the day that were closer to 150 than 160," McMillan said."I'm not sure if maybe the wrong button was pushed, but you'd have to ask Rossco whether it felt 10kph quicker than any other delivery he faced."McMillan was batting at No. 3 for New Zealand when he faced a Shoaib Akhtar delivery that was clocked by a sponsor's speed gun at 161kph."It felt more like 181 to be fair, Shoaib Akhtar at his quickest," joked McMillan. "No, it just felt like a normal delivery. It was in different circumstances. I'd have to say I was a bit surprised when it came up on the TV because a couple of the spinners' deliveries were quite high as well. Maybe there was a technical problem down in the truck."When told of McMillan's comments, Starc fired back with cheeky challenge."Happy for him to face me in the nets tomorrow if he wants," he retorted with a decided smirk.Regardless of the actual speed, Starc felt it was the fastest spell he's bowled to date. Operating from the Lillee Marsh End, he was consistently clocked above 150kph in a spell that tested the reflexes and nerve of Taylor and Brendon McCullum. The speeds displayed on the big screen at the WACA roused a crowd that had been subdued, like Australia's bowling attack, by the brilliant 265-run partnership between Taylor and Kane Williamson which had brought New Zealand back into the contest."I was trying to bowl quick. It was nice to have a nice run-up in and not have to jump up to the square, have a nice breeze" Starc said. "It was all sort of working nicely for the left-armers at this end. Nice to have some rhythm, have the ball coming out nicely. Unfortunately I couldn't get a couple of wickets to go with it."http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-new-zealand-2015-16/content/story/941203.html Edited November 15, 2015 by Mosher Link to comment
renjith Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 People had travelled to the moon in 60's, and you are questioning a simple speed machine's authenticity? The mechanism is still the same, there's no way that caliberation wouldn't be done if speeds are to be compared. Hence, the speed would ofcourse be caliberated from those speed guns to the one's used now, by ICCNot sure if ICC had anything to do with that competition. Please correct me if am wrong.I seriously believe the speeds reported by that speed gun should never be compared with the current speed guns outputs. It must have been a newly invented device in its infancy.In last 20 years we had around 10 bowlers going above 150 in real match situation. How come no bowler from that period (even the likes of thomson) not being able to even touch 150 that too in non-match situation. Hard to believe. Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Mcmillan used to be these chirpy irritating guy always. A bad loser, but one who wouldn't give a quarter to the opponent. Back to his normal days. but by josh, he would be the hero of every pakistani today, with his comments :) Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 one problem with judging those pacers speed based on that speed competition is one never know the accuracy of the speed gun used in that competition compared to the ones being used now.I have no reasons to assume that speed gun technology was not accurate in 1979. It is not rocket science and, as RightarmFast said, rocket science was pretty developed by then. Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
Mosher Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Mcmillan used to be these chirpy irritating guy always. A bad loser, but one who wouldn't give a quarter to the opponent. Back to his normal days. but by josh, he would be the hero of every pakistani today, with his comments :)http://www.starsports.com/cricket/tour/australia-vs-newzealand-267/matchvideos/index.htmlThe way Mccullum was late on a few deliveries tells you Starc was bowling real quick. sscomp32 and doccricket 2 Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 http://www.starsports.com/cricket/videos/vod/video=australia-new-zealand-2015-2nd-test-day-fast-furious-starc-clocks-160-kph-the-speedgun/index.html doccricket, express bowling and sscomp32 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 http://www.starsports.com/cricket/tour/australia-vs-newzealand-267/matchvideos/index.htmlThe way Mccullum was late on a few deliveries tells you Starc was bowling real quick.I am more impressed at the high % of deliveries that Starc bowled between 144 k to 153 k without losing his accuracy at all. That is something special. Link to comment
CG Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 Those days pace was judjed by wickets you took doccricket 1 Link to comment
HippoSucks Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Waqar and Wasim were not of similar pace. Waqar was much quicker. Perhaps bowled around 137 to 147 k in his heydays.Wasim and Imran were not all that quick in the air most times but both had very good bouncers. In the days of " no regular speed gun in matches " the bouncers were wrongly thought to be the much quicker deliveries and those pacers who bowled good bouncers were generally known as fast bowlers....unless of course you were really quick in the air like Waqar and it was visible by the lethal yorkers you bowled.Shoaib is the quickest Pakistani pacer till date and that too by a large margin.Mohammad Zahid was probably faster. Link to comment
adi B Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 That Yorker at 160.4 looks very quick,its just that Taylor is already crouching a bit and digs it out easily due to his lower bat lift,so it might not look too quick but had it gone to the keeper,you'd have seen the quirkiness in that delivery doccricket and express bowling 2 Link to comment
cric_fan Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Nah. Wasn't as quick as made out to be. Look how easily Taylor negotiated it. Even Starc looked surprised it read 99mph. doccricket 1 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Another example of how hyped the Paki bowlers of the past were, as also the other bowlers from the world. Look at this video of Waqar and Wasim, when they were at their fastest, 1994! Listen to the comments about the Waqar Younis delievery at 00.38. Listen to the commentary from 1.40 to 1.48. The commentator clearly says it was clocked at 133kph!!!! Thats just 83 mph. While Wasim Akram in his 1 delievery looks just military medium. And this was the time when they were at their full pace, bowling abroad and bowling in just a one day! Link to comment
MechEng Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Zahid was heavily overrated. He was quick, around low to mid 140s consistently but never really Akhtarsque quick. Fastest spell of bowling I have ever watched in a test match would be this video. Akhtar at his peak was beyond human.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z99GMc2Dyqo Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Here is Brett Lee. This is 160KPh quick Malcolm Merlyn and MK55 2 Link to comment
MK55 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) ^Remember watching this. All high scoring games. I reckon, he was the quickest during 2002-2005.Multiple deliveries at 158+. Something that we dint see yesterday in Starc's spell. Edited November 16, 2015 by MK55 doccricket 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) Edited November 16, 2015 by rkt.india Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Dont think there was any error in speed in Starc's delievery. He was bowling at 146 k's avg speed n had just bowled at 154.5 Link to comment
Singh bling Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 People had travelled to the moon in 60's, and you are questioning a simple speed machine's authenticity? The mechanism is still the same, there's no way that caliberation wouldn't be done if speeds are to be compared. Hence, the speed would ofcourse be caliberated from those speed guns to the one's used now, by ICCFast bowling competition Gave slow reading even in 19981998 CompetitionA fastest bowler competition was held at the testimonial match for Courtney Walsh on July 20, 1998. PlayerKphNotesDevon Malcolm141.6winnerFranklyn Rose141.6 Andy Caddick140.0 Nixon McLean138.4 Ed Giddins138.4 Courtney Walsh133.5 Ian Bishop133.5 David Lawrence125.5 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283875.htmlEven Vinay Kumar and Bhuvneshwar Kumar are capable of throwing bowl at 142 .How come winner of that competition in 1998 was clocked at 141.6 when in test his fastest was around 155 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) Fast bowling competition Gave slow reading even in 1998Even Vinay Kumar and Bhuvneshwar Kumar are capable of throwing bowl at 142 .How come winner of that competition in 1998 was clocked at 141.6 when in test his fastest was around 155 None of those bowlers were quick at that time. Devon Malcolm and Bishop were past their prime. Others all were never fast. Edited November 16, 2015 by rkt.india Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
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