Bhuvneshwar need not sacrifice speed for getting swing: Bowling coach B.Arun

[Ironhide]

While there have been a lot of Retards/Journalists/Sanjay manjrekar who are calling for Bhuvneshwar Kumar to reduce his speed to 125-130k instead of his present speeds of 135-142k to gain swing, the Indian bowling coach has supported Bhuvi and said you need not reduce bowling speed for swing.

 

 "B Arun, India's bowling coach, is not worried about Bhuvneshwar's seemingly stalled progress. In the first place, he does not think Bhuvneshwar would necessarily have to sacrifice swing to bowl quicker. "Pertaining to Bhuvneshwar, there are people who bowl 140+ [kmph] and still swing the ball," Arun said, after rain washed out the second day's play. "Bhuvi's USP was swing. He has now definitely put more yards in his pace. But it's only matter of time [before he returns]. It's not like he's not swinging the ball. He needs to be consistent. With work, he will definitely come back."

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-south-africa-2015-16/content/story/941205.html

[Rightarmfast]

Aur agar wo speed sacsrifice kiya , to bas underarm hi karna baaki reh jayega!

[sensible-indian]

I believe in Bhuvi.

Indian pacer and a brain is a RARE combo.

I think he will figure it out and come back.

[express bowling]

It is possible to swing the ball conventionally at 140 k+. We have seen Shane Bond, Brett Lee, Allan Donald etc. do it. The swing that results is late swing and far more difficult for the batsman to play.

One thing that often happens is that the position of the ball immediately after release  gets disturbed when a pacer wants to bowl quicker than he normally does ...resulting in less swing or even seam movement.

In Bhuvi's case that is not happening. His seam position is still very good. After his speed increase, he has just bowled in conditions not conducive to swing and hence has not swung the ball.

I am sure he would get swing where there is some available.

Kudos to Bharti Arun for stating this. 

Here is a young pace bowler trying to improve himself by working hard and becoming quicker and Manjrekar and co. are criticizing him without even waiting to see what results he is producing after a couple of series of bowling at higher pace. These guys are are so negative.

It is possible that Kohli has encouraged Bhuvi to become quicker and practice bowling some high bouncers.

Bhuvi, with his accuracy, excellent seam position, skid off the pitch and swing... can be a handful if he can bowl 135 to 142 k with occasional good bouncers ( which he has shown he can bowl ).

Edited November 15, 2015 by express bowling

[sensible-indian]

It is possible to swing the ball conventionally at 140 k+. We have seen Shane Bond, Brett Lee, Allan Donald etc. do it. The swing that results is late swing and far more difficult for the batsman to play.

One thing that often happens is that the position of the ball during delivery  gets disturbed when a pacer wants to bowl quicker than he normally does ...resulting in less swing or even seam movement.

In Bhuvi's case that is not happening. His seam position is still very good. After his speed increase, he has just bowled in conditions not conducive to swing and hence has not swung the ball.

I am sure he would get swing where there is some available.

Kudos to Bharti Arun for stating this. 

Here is a young pace bowler trying to improve himself by working hard and becoming quicker and Manjrekar and co. are criticizing him without even waiting to see what results he is producing after a couple of series of bowling at higher pace. These guys are are so negative.

It is possible that Kohli has encouraged Bhuvi to become quicker and practice bowling some high bouncers.

Bhuvi, with his accuracy, excellent seam position, skid off the pitch and swing... can be a handful if he can bowl 135 to 142 k with occasional good bouncers ( which he has shown he can bowl ).

Great point buddy.

Sometimes people just keep commenting without going into the intricate details.

I never heard any technical explanation when Manju was speaking about Bhuvi. It was all about more speed so less swing logic. 

Edited November 15, 2015 by sensible-indian

[vvvslaxman]

Fart Arun is the best we could find?

[gattaca]

Fart Arun is the best we could find?

I thought he is at NCA for Many years working with young Indian bowlers.  Still feel he is much better than Joe Davies.

[MCcricket]

Bhuvi has shown hunger, he has the skills to bat n his pace is good addition otherwise he was one dimensional , it is his length that they want him to bowl, he should bowl a bit fuller, Bond, Steyn all swing bowlers need that, added Skill would be if ball doesn't swing then, seam the ball of the turf

[Singh bling]

Aur agar wo speed sacsrifice kiya , to bas underarm hi karna baaki reh jayega!

[New guy]

I once bowled at 20kph and the ball swung so much it hit the umpire behind me. Therefore swing is directly proportional to pace

[renjith]

High time we try out new set of bowlers like thakur, bumrah, ankit rajput, aniket choudhary, warrier, saini, ... Likes of bhuvaneshwar, mohit most probably will remain average quality for the rest of their careers.

Giving chances to bowlers like sreenath aravind is a good thing. At least we are trying out someone new rather than recycling the same old guys.

Srilanka is very good at trying out new players and we must be the worst even after our country being 50 times bigger than Sri Lanka. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Sanjay manjrekar is the Prime xample of what was wrong wid us in 90s - Xtreme defensive mindset and lack of self beileif

Pacer in every country gain speed over a period of time but they dnt loose their swing . 

Akram has always said the more u bowl the more ur bowling muscles will develop and ur speed will increase

Whole problem here batsman r telling bolwers wat to do. 

His every post match makes me cringe when he says ill prefer bowler who give me control the mohit sharma . Well can someone ask him once a batsman is set even if these bowlers dnt give him much runs in Beg do u think u can stop batsman like smith, abdv, faf, maxwell, warner or many after they r set. The only way u can stop their run flow is to take wkt . So Shudnt we go for wkt taking bowlers . 

N he gives the xample of Bhuvi goin irfan way, well 1st thing 

Irfan didnt loose his swing coz he tried to gain speed, he changed his action a lot. I rem When pakistan toured us in 2005 he changed he became an open chested bowler from a side on. Later which he changed again. 

N if u seen Irfan recent bowling the lack of speed n that banana swing wud b eveident coz of his run up n action. His runup is not that rhythemic  n he doesnt put his full body in action n pivot isnt same. He just Jogs in to bowl now . 

IRfan when he came

 

 Look at his runup, pivot n full use of body in action

 

 

[New guy]

Yep, if Pathan had been Pakistani he would have had a far better bowling career. Although his career might have been marred with backstabbing, doping, fixing and tampering but still better than what he ended with

[rkt.india]

Pathan was never quick. He was in same range as BK.

[Mosher]

Irfan was the all rounder India was looking for. What a waste of talent.

[rkt.india]

After 2004 tour to Pak, he suffered a back injury and had to change his action, became more front on than the side on he was before. The change really slowed him down and then he also changed his grip, started using crooked thumb grip which Wasim Akram used to do. It would give him more swing but he lacked control and pace with that.

[gakgupta]

After 2004 tour to Pak, he suffered a back injury and had to change his action, became more front on than the side on he was before. The change really slowed him down and then he also changed his grip, started using crooked thumb grip which Wasim Akram used to do. It would give him more swing but he lacked control and pace with that.

He came back in 2010-11 and did pretty well in ODi's....what went right during that time for him

[rkt.india]

He came back in 2010-11 and did pretty well in ODi's....what went right during that time for him

He did change his action at that time too. I think he had corrected that crooked thumb seam position too. He did well because he got swing and good accuracy. 

[express bowling]

I once bowled at 20kph and the ball swung so much it hit the umpire behind me. Therefore swing is directly proportional to pace

Just imagine what would have happened if you had bowled at 5 kph. ...360 deg swing and back at the stumps    

[Mosher]

I once bowled at 20kph and the ball swung so much it hit the umpire behind me. Therefore swing is directly proportional to pace

You would be Manjrekar's dream bowler bro