Rohit Sharma return to action Red carpet thread

[philcric]

4th test 1st innings  was a marginal decision......usually benefit of doubt goes to batsman...millimeters really?

 They check for no-ball, and it's close, but the close-up suggests some part of his heel - which is in the air - is just behind the line. Millimeters again.

3rd test 2nd innings where he had to accelerate

Anyways dude I am not making excuses for the obvious....all I am saying is he needs one last go before he is dumped for good because we don't want to kill the potential golden goose because we think there is a chance it won't lay the golden eggs

"3rd test 2nd innings where he had to accelerate"

Wow. Is it the same test that finished in 3 days? Where was the need to accelerate for declaration?

Excuses are exactly what you are making. You are clutching at straws. Why does Rohit need one last go? Nobody owes him anything. He got enough chances and he proved he doesn't have it in him to become a good test batsman.

 

 

[philcric]

4th test 1st innings  was a marginal decision......usually benefit of doubt goes to batsman...millimeters really?

 They check for no-ball, and it's close, but the close-up suggests some part of his heel - which is in the air - is just behind the line. Millimeters again.

Let me get this straight.

Batsman should be given not out because the bowler's heel is behind the crease by only millimeters.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4th test 1st innings  was a marginal decision......usually benefit of doubt goes to batsman...millimeters really?

 They check for no-ball, and it's close, but the close-up suggests some part of his heel - which is in the air - is just behind the line. Millimeters again.

3rd test 2nd innings where he had to accelerate

Anyways dude I am not making excuses for the obvious....all I am saying is he needs one last go before he is dumped for good because we don't want to kill the potential golden goose because we think there is a chance it won't lay the golden eggs

forget no ball wat kind of stupid shot was tht , after being dropped

take time get set. 

N he did the same in eng before Lunch

Is he even learning from his mistakes

 

Nobody is dumping him forever, but now is the time to give others chances n he has to wait for his chances now 

B consistent in Odi like kohli played like freak for few yrs. He wud be in squad m sure someone will get injured thts wen u hve to grab a chance

Chances r grabbed not begged

Pujara bagged in SL after being dropped. 

Y such excuses for rohit

Larger Picture shud b An india win not giving Rohit chances. Team cnt win long with 10th players

[gakgupta]

At the current form and mind-set he is not a test match player by any standards. Even Zimbabwe or Bangladesh would have dropped him. But just for shastri and Mumbai lobby, he is still in the Test Team.

Unless he work really hard on his batting, he is no good for test matches...

What is that he has to work....

1) Cut down his big shots...(in the air).....In test matches, ball is not played in the air...(This is no rocket science, people have been doing this for ages)

2) Build patience....even if he can't get runs for 30 balls, there is no need for any Arial shots or there is no need to create a shot when it's not there...

3) To do above 2, he needs to know where his off-stump is.................once, that is fixed, he knows for sure that the bowler has to bowl an exceptional delievery to get him out......and automatically confidence will be build.....take a tip or 2 from murali vijay as he is best in the business in leaving deliveries

Until above is done, for sake of indian cricket, pls stay away

Edited December 16, 2015 by gakgupta

[maniac]

Let me get this straight.

Batsman should be given not out because the bowler's heel is behind the crease by only millimeters.

no but the fact that there is an assumption being made that the heel is maybe a few millimeters behind the line shows that there is justification being made on a bad desicion.

anyways not making excuses but I still beleive 7 tests is fair after what he has shown us with the backing he got in other formats .....I am on your side where I say he needs to be dropped but after a fair rope and 7 is not a huge number.

 

 

[maniac]

forget no ball wat kind of stupid shot was tht , after being dropped

take time get set. 

N he did the same in eng before Lunch

Is he even learning from his mistakes

 

Nobody is dumping him forever, but now is the time to give others chances n he has to wait for his chances now 

B consistent in Odi like kohli played like freak for few yrs. He wud be in squad m sure someone will get injured thts wen u hve to grab a chance

Chances r grabbed not begged

Pujara bagged in SL after being dropped. 

Y such excuses for rohit

Larger Picture shud b An india win not giving Rohit chances. Team cnt win long with 10th players

pujara or Mishra are 1 format specialists so it's make or break for them on the other hand ROHIT is our premier batsman, our go to man in 2/3 formats...hence he earns an extended shot based on how he has proven himself to a world class match winner.

[Ankit_sharma03]

pujara or Mishra are 1 format specialists so it's make or break for them on the other hand ROHIT is our premier batsman, our go to man in 2/3 formats...hence he earns an extended shot based on how he has proven himself to a world class match winner.

A world class player performs in every conditions against gud attacks

Stands up wen needed.

He is a gud odi batsman n Pretty gud T20

but that doesnt make him world class

If anyone in this generation deserves those tags they r virat, smith , root, abdv, amla, rahane, kane williamson, Warner. 

Rohit is nt in this bracket n has a long way before he reached this bracket

[philcric]

no but the fact that there is an assumption being made that the heel is maybe a few millimeters behind the line shows that there is justification being made on a bad desicion.

anyways not making excuses but I still beleive 7 tests is fair after what he has shown us with the backing he got in other formats .....I am on your side where I say he needs to be dropped but after a fair rope and 7 is not a huge number.

 

 

No, 7 tests is a huge number. It's not a fair rope after having played 16 matches and failing. He already had more than a fair rope. And failed.

One thing you don't seem to understand (or do not want to understand) is Tests are different from T20/ODIs. The batting and bowling skills required are different, the ball is different, bowling lengths are different, field settings are different, pace of the game is different, temperament is different, the way batsmen score is different, the way batsmen get out is different.

There are numerous examples of extremely good ODI batsmen being terrible at Tests like Yuvraj, Raina, Bevan etc.

Your whole agenda seems to centre around Rohit Sharma and not what's best for the team. How to get him into the team, how many free tests to give him, how to back him etc. 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

No, 7 tests is a huge number. It's not a fair rope after having played 16 matches and failing. He already had more than a fair rope. And failed.

One thing you don't seem to understand (or do not want to understand) is Tests are different from T20/ODIs. The batting and bowling skills required are different, the ball is different, bowling lengths are different, field settings are different, pace of the game is different, temperament is different, the way batsmen score is different, the way batsmen get out is different.

There are numerous examples of extremely good ODI batsmen being terrible at Tests like Yuvraj, Raina, Bevan etc.

Your whole agenda seems to centre around Rohit Sharma and not what's best for the team. How to get him into the team, how many free tests to give him, how to back him etc. 

 

spot on.....

The whole idea to keep a plyers interest ahead of team makes team suffer

I understand when a teams wants to back someone like umesh aaron for the pace a area we lack whcih we dnt back much. 

But we rich with batting talent so back him for wat

So he finds a midyorker attack n pile on runs or may b finds a small ground with a flat deck n makes a record for sixes

Wat matter is to back a player who can deilver in diff conditions . Standup n play innings out of nowere. 

HE is doing decent in Odi but after 9 yrs of backking i wud expect him to perform the kohli did at his peak, even sachin, yuvraj sourav at his peak . but he is still nothing more than decent in Odi's to

N hid problem hasnt been only technical it has been his stupidties as well now u cnt xcuse saying he has jst played 16 test for god sake he has played Int cricket for more than 9 yrs yet he comes wid most attrocious shots in situations were team needs him most

 

[cricketpitch]

It is unfair that one player gets so many chances while the others don't. Rohit has played 29 innings in test cricket which is quite a lot. There have been players who have been discarded after one or two failures and never made it back to the team. In the 90's and for most part of 2000's lots of batsmen did not make it to the X1 because of the talent we had in the batting. But that was due to the fact that we did have legends playing in the X1. Now we have some mediocre players holding up places while the youngsters are waiting in the wings without a chance to play in the X1. We need to do something about this. Let Rohit go back to first class cricket and come back as a changed player. I am not saying discard him for good but we need to be fair with other players too. By trying to give time for Rohit to fulfill his talent we should not miss out on other talents who can actually make the difference in the X1. Rohit's place is the only spot which is up for grabs as we already have Rahul waiting to take Dhawan's spot. Kohli, Vijay and Rahane are here to stay.

[maniac]

No, 7 tests is a huge number. It's not a fair rope after having played 16 matches and failing. He already had more than a fair rope. And failed.

One thing you don't seem to understand (or do not want to understand) is Tests are different from T20/ODIs. The batting and bowling skills required are different, the ball is different, bowling lengths are different, field settings are different, pace of the game is different, temperament is different, the way batsmen score is different, the way batsmen get out is different.

There are numerous examples of extremely good ODI batsmen being terrible at Tests like Yuvraj, Raina, Bevan etc.

Your whole agenda seems to centre around Rohit Sharma and not what's best for the team. How to get him into the team, how many free tests to give him, how to back him etc. 

 

Not True.....and I take offense to the accusation that I do not have the teams interest in mind.....Let me give you an example: You have obviously been around the forum for a while and are familiar with my posts.....

I have backed Ishant right from the start when he had a lot of promise and even when he was getting ridiculed by everyone here...As a result I was ridiculed,called a troll and names for backing him.....today everyone has him as their no 1 test bowler and he has people's support as he has proven to be one of India's biggest match winner and consistent performers with the ball in tests in the last 2 years(not counting Ashwin or the spinners in Indian conditions)..Yeah they bring up his average blah blah but the fact that he is the best we have is obvious to see.....I have not even got any apologies for backing the right horse in Ishant after he has turned it around.

Similarly with Rohit....people said he is not good enough for ODI's and the results are their for everyone to see.....I still think he has it in him to make it at the test level and will be one of our biggest matchwinners in the future....I see that special spark and hence I am rooting for him and that's why I used the world ultimatum which means he has to turn it around pretty soon.

I have rooted for players because I believe in them and I want them to make India a force to reckon with.

Similarly I was right about the likes of Pankaj SIngh etc as I beleive in my ability to spot talent

 

[fineleg]

Just for the record: Ishant is a very average ok-ish bowler even now (even tests). His improvement now has been long (long, long, long) over-due. But even now, he is average and no great shakes. That the slightly-improved (after long due) Ishant is penciled in as #1 or #2 if we want a medium pacer shows the paucity of good genuine accurate pacers/medium-pacers in India.

Edited December 16, 2015 by fineleg

[maniac]

Just for the record: Ishant is average. His improvement now has been long (long, long, long) over-due. But even now, he is average and no great shakes. That the slightly-improved (after long due) Ishant is penciled in as #1 or #2 if we want a medium pacer shows the paucity of good genuine accurate pacers/medium-pacers in India.

Yes if we had Mcgrath and Steyn in domestics I would want Ishant as the 3rd seamer unless we also have a Akram and Marshall then sure drop him.

As far as saying that he is no great shakes....The guy single handedly won a game in England.....turned it around in Srilanka and almost won the test in Nzl...is it his fault if he didn't get any support or do you expect him to run through sides in every single game...I don't think any of the names I mentioned have done that.

He is one of the best allroun seamers we have and with a fir and firing Shami,Aaron and Yadav with Bhuvi for variety I think he will produce greater results....we need him to lead the attack in the upcoming 5-10 years

[cricketpitch]

Just for the record: Ishant is a very average ok-ish bowler even now (even tests). His improvement now has been long (long, long, long) over-due. But even now, he is average and no great shakes. That the slightly-improved (after long due) Ishant is penciled in as #1 or #2 if we want a medium pacer shows the paucity of good genuine accurate pacers/medium-pacers in India.

The reason we need to give the fast bowlers a longer rope is because we are thin in that department. We cannot compare Rohit and Ishant. If India were rich in fast bowling department, Ishant wouldn't have played so many tests. I will be surprised any pacer around the world who has played close to 70 tests averaging 37 among top teams. The possibility is only with India and Sri Lanka as they have been pretty thin in that department.

In terms of batting we are not lacking in options or talent, therein lies the problem. If India had no options and are struggling to find decent batters, I agree that we need to stick with Rohit but that is not the case at the moment. we have good young players who are waiting in the wings and are not getting in because we have decided to give a guy numerous chances more than anyone in the history of Indian cricket.

[cricketpitch]

Yes if we had Mcgrath and Steyn in domestics I would want Ishant as the 3rd seamer unless we also have a Akram and Marshall then sure drop him.

As far as saying that he is no great shakes....The guy single handedly won a game in England.....turned it around in Srilanka and almost won the test in Nzl...is it his fault if he didn't get any support or do you expect him to run through sides in every single game...I don't think any of the names I mentioned have done that.

He is one of the best allroun seamers we have and with a fir and firing Shami,Aaron and Yadav with Bhuvi for variety I think he will produce greater results....we need him to lead the attack in the upcoming 5-10 years

Ishant is a good bowler but for a guy to play 70 tests and average 37 with a SR of 67 isn't ideal. Ishant is way to inconsistent for a front line bowler. For a 3rd bowler with two good front line bowlers he is fine as he might have averaged lesser then. He seems to have improved now. Ideally we would want our front line bowler to average at least 30 and SR of 57-58. Hope he gets there.

[maniac]

Let me give another example....Steve Smith was picked as a leg spinner.....I saw him bowl and everyone were like what the hell? why is this guy in the team...then I saw him play some lower order cameos and I was sold....I knew this kid was the next big thing.....I opened a thread and you should have seen the comments on the thread....if there was an option for negative reputation then,I would have been totally wiped off, A weaker person would have doubted his own cricketing IQ but look at him now.......I see a similar spark in ROhit.

A guy who can hit 2 200's against teams like Aus and Srilanka in ODI's a guy who can hit a T20 100 against a south African attack is definetely special....yeah test and LOI batting is similar but you need heart,some amount of technique and special ability to perform feats like that.

As far as technique goes....watch him open the innings in England in champions trophy or even in the world cup or in WI when the ball does something...he was fantastic and looked like fish inwater.

Yeah agree time is running out but as I said we have come so far with him let's have a last roll of the dice.

[cricketpitch]

Let me give another example....Steve Smith was picked as a leg spinner.....I saw him bowl and everyone were like what the hell? why is this guy in the team...then I saw him play some lower order cameos and I was sold....I knew this kid was the next big thing.....I opened a thread and you should have seen the comments on the thread....if there was an option for negative reputation then,I would have been totally wiped off, A weaker person would have doubted his own cricketing IQ but look at him now.......I see a similar spark in ROhit.

A guy who can hit 2 200's against teams like Aus and Srilanka in ODI's a guy who can hit a T20 100 against a south African attack is definetely special....yeah test and LOI batting is similar but you need heart,some amount of technique and special ability to perform feats like that.

As far as technique goes....watch him open the innings in England in champions trophy or even in the world cup or in WI when the ball does something...he was fantastic and looked like fish inwater.

Yeah agree time is running out but as I said we have come so far with him let's have a last roll of the dice.

Dude Smith was dropped from the team. He made a comeback. Rohit needs time off the team to work on his game in FC. India don't have to play him for 30 tests just to give him a chance to succeed. Drop him, send him back to first class, if he really wants it he will work hard and get back into the test team. Smith did that, Hayden did that, Gambhir did that, Vijay did that and there are so many examples around the world. Rohit is no golden child to be treated differently than other players.

[vijay50]

Rohit needs to be dropped. No mercy.

Edited December 16, 2015 by vijay50

[rkt.india]

Let me give another example....Steve Smith was picked as a leg spinner.....I saw him bowl and everyone were like what the hell? why is this guy in the team...then I saw him play some lower order cameos and I was sold....I knew this kid was the next big thing.....I opened a thread and you should have seen the comments on the thread....if there was an option for negative reputation then,I would have been totally wiped off, A weaker person would have doubted his own cricketing IQ but look at him now.......I see a similar spark in ROhit.

A guy who can hit 2 200's against teams like Aus and Srilanka in ODI's a guy who can hit a T20 100 against a south African attack is definetely special....yeah test and LOI batting is similar but you need heart,some amount of technique and special ability to perform feats like that.

As far as technique goes....watch him open the innings in England in champions trophy or even in the world cup or in WI when the ball does something...he was fantastic and looked like fish inwater.

Yeah agree time is running out but as I said we have come so far with him let's have a last roll of the dice.

I knew Steve Smith was a better batsman than a bowler even before he had made his Australia debut. Rohit has not shown that spark in test cricket. Exclude his first 2 innings at home against WI and he has barely done anything. The biggest problem with Rohit is indecisiveness in his batting.   

[express bowling]

pujara or Mishra are 1 format specialists so it's make or break for them on the other hand ROHIT is our premier batsman, our go to man in 2/3 formats...hence he earns an extended shot based on how he has proven himself to a world class match winner.

Mishra is a specialist in which format ?