Terror attack at Pathankot Air Force station, Punjab

[Malcolm Merlyn]

What language is that?

The language that was taught to them in 1971.

About time that India calls their bluff.

[surajmal]

 

The language that was taught to them in 1971.

 

About time that India calls their bluff.

Do you think India can withstand economic sanctions that west will bring upon India for open war? You think China will sit quiet on the eastern border? Even if we can have a handle on their (non)existent nuke stockpile, how do you think India handles the resulting internal security situation of closet Pakis doing their deeds? So no FDI, no exports, no jobs, economy goes into the tank. BJP loses handsomely in 2019, Sickular Scamgress comes back and shuts the door of any economic revival for rest of the 21st century with demographic dividend becoming a demographic bomb. 

 

I mean, how do you see things playing out?  

[Malcolm Merlyn]

 

 

Do you think India can withstand economic sanctions that west will bring upon India for open war? You think China will sit quiet on the eastern border?

The first thing that India should do is to withdraw from the Indus water treaty.That would set the cat among the pigeons in Pakistan.We can literally make them face drought or flood as and when we please.

 

We had the best chance in 2008.We should have launched surgical strikes inside Pakistan immediately instead of waiting.The spineless MMS govt fluffed a golden chance.Sanctions were slapped againist us in 1998.What happened?By 2001 all of them were gone.In todays world India is far more useful to the west than Pakistan.There will be no sanctions.

China would not be foolish to launch a war againist India.Heck they dont even go againist Taiwan and Vietnam.the West cannot let China overrun India plus there is the Indo-Russia treaty on this.

 

Even if we can have a handle on their (non)existent nuke stockpile, how do you think India handles the resulting internal security situation of closet Pakis doing their deeds?

 There would be no nuclear conflict.Pakistani military isnt foolish.They wont start a nuclear war and bring on complete annihilation of Pakistan just so that they can save few 100 terrorists who are anyways disposable to them.The policy means nothing if the country itself doesnt exists.A retaliation will force them to think what is the cost of this terror policy and whether they can pay that cost.At present that cost is too low.

 

There has been no or little opposition to operations againist Pakistan in India.

So no FDI, no exports, no jobs, economy goes into the tank. BJP loses handsomely in 2019, Sickular Scamgress comes back and shuts the door of any economic revival for rest of the 21st century with demographic dividend becoming a demographic bomb. 

 

I mean, how do you see things playing out?  

 

History has shown that in India a govt that goes to war againist Pakistan has returned with a massive mandate.The West cant let India go belly up.There will be no sanctions.

[amiret]

The Govt knew on early friday morning that attacks are imminent AND they also came to acquire information on the location the terrorists are planning to attack from the intercepted conversations -

 

All conversations, intercepted by the Indian intelligence agencies, were in Punjabi laced with a distinct Multani dialect

The third call, the longest at 87 seconds, was made at 1.10 am. ""Control me hai (is everything in control)?" asked a man on the other side. "Haan (yes)," one of the terrorists replied. The handler can then be heard asking the terrorists to "enter target".

"Helicopters aur planes ko uda do (Blow up the helicopters and planes)," he instructs the terrorists.

still they could not manage to completely secure the air base.

From toi -

The government got wind of the plan by Pak-based terrorists to attack a defence establishment in Pathankot on Friday morning itself after which National Security Advisor Ajit Doval held a meetin

 

Edited January 3, 2016 by amiret

[amiret]

Home Minister withdraws his tweet on the number of terrorists killed -

Uncertainty prevailed on Saturday night on the number of terrorists killed in the attack on the Pathankot air base, with Home Minister Rajnath Singh withdrawing a tweet putting the number at five.

"I congratulate our armed forces and other security forces on successfully neutralising all the five terrorists in 'Pathankot Operation'," Rajnath Singh had tweeted on Saturday evening

The tweet was, however, withdrawn soon after. At the time of the initial tweet, the number of terrorists killed had been placed at four.

Edited January 3, 2016 by amiret

[surajmal]

double

Edited January 3, 2016 by surajmal

[surajmal]

 

 

The first thing that India should do is to withdraw from the Indus water treaty.That would set the cat among the pigeons in Pakistan.We can literally make them face drought or flood as and when we please.

 

On a bilateral level, that would be the easiest move. But in the eyes of the world, India would be considered the devil for denying 10s of millions the most basic of necessities. 

 

 

We had the best chance in 2008.We should have launched surgical strikes inside Pakistan immediately instead of waiting.The spineless MMS govt fluffed a golden chance.Sanctions were slapped againist us in 1998.What happened?By 2001 all of them were gone.In todays world India is far more useful to the west than Pakistan.There will be no sanctions.

Best chance was 1947. then 1965 then 1971. While India may be more "useful" to the west, it is still dispensible considering India plays no crucial role in any economic value chains except diamonds.  Besides, you have the manufactured bogey of "hindu right" to bracket India with the Ropers, anytime the west wants. 

China would not be foolish to launch a war againist India.Heck they dont even go againist Taiwan and Vietnam.the West cannot let China overrun India plus there is the Indo-Russia treaty on this.

China is beyond reach now. They can do whatever the feck they want and US would look the otherway. 

 

 There would be no nuclear conflict.Pakistani military isnt foolish.They wont start a nuclear war and bring on complete annihilation of Pakistan just so that they can save few 100 terrorists who are anyways disposable to them.The policy means nothing if the country itself doesnt exists.A retaliation will force them to think what is the cost of this terror policy and whether they can pay that cost.At present that cost is too low.

Killing a few 100 terrorists doesn't solve India's problem. terrorists are like bullets... expendable. Your main enemy is ROP and the Paki Army. 

 

There has been no or little opposition to operations againist Pakistan in India.

History has shown that in India a govt that goes to war againist Pakistan has returned with a massive mandate.

In 1971,  India was firmly entrenched in the Noble - Serf setup, So the masses were easily to manipulate. 

The West cant let India go belly up.There will be no sanctions.

There is no basis for that assertion. 

Edited January 3, 2016 by surajmal

[kosingh]

They want cricket to promote peace after constantly trying to gun down and blow up Indian citizens. 

[beautifulgame]

History has shown that in India a govt that goes to war againist Pakistan has returned with a massive mandate.

 

 India was firmly entrenched in the Noble - Serf setup, So the masses were easily to manipulate. 

There was no Lok Sabha election mandate after 1971 war .

The next LS election after the 1971 war was in 1977 which Congress and Indira lost badly

[amiret]

wish we had a leader that could "respond to pakistan in it's own language and give a befitting reply " or at the very least had the courage to call the attackers "Pakistani Terrorists" .

The very fact that we agreed to discussions on Jammu & kashmir at the NSA (doval & janjua ) talks in bangkok was an abject capitulation and acceptance that Talks and Terror can go together.

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news reports claim that the attackers are Jaish-e-mohammed (JeM). I thought the JeM had morphed into other groups. 

JeM was of course founded by Maulana masood azhar , who was released by the BJP/NDA Govt in 1999 . Have often wondered why we don't demand the extradition of massod azhar ? the MSM and political establishment has been largely silent on the founder of JeM in comparison to  it's focus on hafiz sayid and dawood .

[surajmal]

 

There was no Lok Sabha election mandate after 1971 war .

The next LS election after the 1971 war was in 1977 which Congress and Indira lost badly

Yeah... Emergency had nothing to do with that. 

[New guy]

Well, it was obvious to anyone that as soon as peace talks happen between India and Pak, such things were bound to happen. It was a great job down by the intelligence agencies, army and government to reduce the impact and prevent them from getting inside. 

Now there are two possibilities here

A) That Pakistani army will never allow peace between the civilian governments as the very basis of their power and money is the fear of India. So despite the civilian government wanting peace, the army will do anything for it not to happen. Unfortunately the Pak government is too weak

B) That Pakistani government also is hand in gloves with the army. Either they are weak puppets or equally involved in the plan and are laughing at India

Personally, I believe options A is true. And therefore it is important for us to continue work with the civilian government and the people of Pakistan to neuter their army. This is the only option we have. If we back out every time an attack happens then we are stuck in a vicious cycle. There is no point in blaming the Pak government for ignoring the army as the army is too powerful. But continuing the peace process with the civilian government will help us not only show our intention to the international community but also will be  away to empower the civilian government.

Thoughts on this?

 

 

[amiret]

 

A) That Pakistani army will never allow peace between the civilian governments as the very basis of their power and money is the fear of India. So despite the civilian government wanting peace, the army will do anything for it not to happen. Unfortunately the Pak government is too weak

And therefore it is important for us to continue work with the civilian government and the people of Pakistan to neuter their army. This is the only option we have. If we back out every time an attack happens then we are stuck in a vicious cycle. There is no point in blaming the Pak government for ignoring the army as the army is too powerful.

But continuing the peace process with the civilian government will help us not only show our intention to the international community but also will be  away to empower the civilian government.

 I don't know why many Indians believe that the Army is all powerful in Pak (and it IS ) but that we can somehow hold discussions with the civilian govt without the acquiescence of the Pak army . It is an illogical and self-delusory fantasy .

Pak army is a party to the discussions with India .The current Pak NSA retired from the army just 2 months ago and was nominated by their army chief.

[amiret]

3rd January 2016 . Counter terror operation still ongoing ,  and the PM tweets this -

 

[Adi_91]

@amiret, Just to let you know, a major disaster was averted and the army and the commandos were placed in the air base as information was available that the air base may be under attack, I laud the government for having been proactive.

I thank the government for taking proactive measures to prevent major causalities. The criminals were no amateurs as they were hiding even till today. So, they were not some kids who came and launched an attack. So, don't think that it was an easy operation. 

[Adi_91]

They want cricket to promote peace after constantly trying to gun down and blow up Indian citizens. 

As a cricket fan, I don't want to see India play this rogue nation. It is hard to imagine how to enjoy a cricket series when the sentiments are hurt and our citizens and our jawans are killed.

[amiret]

If only sushmajeee could read her old tweets 

[Adi_91]

If only sushmajeee could read her old tweets 

That's what extremists from Pakistan wanted. RIght?

[Adi_91]

I am actually wondering, since Pak fools said they will boycott World T20 saying India is unsafe and other nonsense, do they have the guts to now actually do it after this attack? Or is it something from their soil which they are fine with?

[Adi_91]

 

for sachin's sake , stop Tooting about Yoga you clown .

Why this obsession with Twitter accounts??