bulbul Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Certainly Sanghis don't care about Dalits. Their ministers have been caught pants down in abetting suicide in this case. Only reason Dalits have improved is Nehru and Ambedkar.What's wrong in hanging Yakub? If you ask me it doesn't fit the rarest of rare clause defined by the SC. But the more important point is whether it is wrong or right, it doesn't give you the right to use state apparatus against a protest. Where did state apparatus used against protest? the guy who called protesters 'goon' got beaten up and need to delete his post, this is the freedom of speech in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Where did state apparatus used against protest? the guy who called protesters 'goon' got beaten up and need to delete his post, this is the freedom of speech in this country. MP writing multiple letters to HRD ministry and HRD ministry asking for a status update religiously every month is not using state apparatus? Hum koi random complaint karein, do you seriously believe HRD minister will give a fuck? Stopping the primary source of income for their family is not using state apparatus? The guy as a JRF used to earn a decent 25,000 a month which Smriti Irani stopped because he was a protesting against the Sanghi agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Certainly Sanghis don't care about Dalits. Their ministers have been caught pants down in abetting suicide in this case. Only reason Dalits have improved is Nehru and Ambedkar.What's wrong in hanging Yakub? If you ask me it doesn't fit the rarest of rare clause defined by the SC. But the more important point is whether it is wrong or right, it doesn't give you the right to use state apparatus against a protest. If it didnt cross your mind Yakub Memon was hanged by a decision of the SC.So your not agreeing to the fact that its rarest of rare hardly matters.The Supreme court confirmed his death sentence various times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 MP writing multiple letters to HRD ministry and HRD ministry asking for a status update religiously every month is not using state apparatus? Hum koi random complaint karein, do you seriously believe HRD minister will give a fuck? Stopping the primary source of income for their family is not using state apparatus? The guy as a JRF used to earn a decent 25,000 a month which Smriti Irani stopped because he was a protesting against the Sanghi agenda.Why somebody beats up another guy because he posted some comment in social media? Why ASA didn't protested against suspension if its unfair? they should have stopped university functioning right?Suspension happened because they beat up a guy..so for you protest means beating people?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 If it didnt cross your mind Yakub Memon was hanged by a decision of the SC.So your not agreeing to the fact that its rarest of rare hardly matters.The Supreme court confirmed his death sentence various times.Is the Supreme Court infallible? Does our SC meet the standards and credentials of civilized nation? Answer is an emphatic NO.And regardless if it was approved by the SC, what is wrong or illegal in protesting a SC decision? *Waits for Sanghi sophistry* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Why somebody beats up another guy because he posted some comment in social media? Why ASA didn't protested against suspension if its unfair? they should have stopped university functioning right?Suspension happened because they beat up a guy..so for you protest means beating people?? Where is the evidence that the guy who committed suicide abetted by multiple ministers beat up anyone? Please provide non-Sanghi proof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulgame Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Okay, my mistake, deep apologies.But the question still stands why can't you count a protests against death penalty for terrorist who caused so many innocents death is a small matter?Also there are 5 students suspended , its unfortunate this guy lost positivity in life why this turning to be a attack against Dalits?Why this turning into to be an attack against Dalits ?Because the Minister Dattatreya alleged in his letter the five people are involved in castiest activities and UoH has become home for castiest organisations.So on what basis did he make that allegation ? Was that because they are a Dalit student organisation and their ideology completely clashed with ABVP ?So is the Central Govt terming any organisation for Dalit rights or in the name if Ambedkar castiest .Were the orchestrated because they were part of a Dalit organisation and hiding behind anti national excuses .Why did a Central minister make such sweeping allegations when he has no business getting involved in two petty fight between student organisations .This is why most are questioning this whether an attack on Dalits .Dattatreya threw castiesm allegations in his letter ,thats why this turning to be a attack against Dalits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Where is the evidence that the guy who committed suicide abetted by multiple ministers beat up anyone? Please provide non-Sanghi proof!Those protesting are asking for action against Union Labour Minister Bandaru Dattatreya who had written to the Union HRD minister, exerting pressure to act against five Dalit students, including Rohith, who were involved in an altercation with HCU student leader Susheel Kumar of the Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad (ABVP). The issue can be traced back to a Facebook post by Susheel in which he called the students belonging to Ambedkar Students Association including Rohith Vemula ‘goons’ for organizing protest against Yakub Memon’s hanging. Agitated students forced Susheel to apologise.The two sides then gave different versions with Susheel alleging that he had been attacked, leaving him injured. ASA said they had not resorted to any violence. Though a Proctorial Board gave a first report clearing the ASA members citing lack of medical evidence to prove that Susheel was harmed, a second report few days later indicted them. The reports eventually lead to their suspension -http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/%E2%80%98i-was-shocked-rohith%E2%80%99s-suicide-rivalry-was-just-student-politics%E2%80%99-abvp-leader-susheel-37844This is from interview of ABVP guy...Now I cant provide more proof as either side cannot prove completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Is the Supreme Court infallible? Does our SC meet the standards and credentials of civilized nation? Answer is an emphatic NO.And regardless if it was approved by the SC, what is wrong or illegal in protesting a SC decision? *Waits for Sanghi sophistry*You can either debate like a civilised poster you once were or you can continue to name call in which case i will not reply as i have no time for dirty debates.1.You only brought the SC judgement regarding rarest of rare cases.Now you cannot pick and choose judgements you like and discard the ones you dislike.Thats hypocrisy.2.Not one but various judges and benches of High court and supreme court had confirmed his judgement.It is highly unlikely that various experts on this field with years of experience and knowledge will make such mistakes in interpreting the law.3.There are protests and counter protests.One can protest the punishment of a guy who at the very least was part of a consipracy that killed 200 people.And another can counter that protest as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulgame Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Why somebody beats up another guy because he posted some comment in social media? Why ASA didn't protested against suspension if its unfair? they should have stopped university functioning right?Suspension happened because they beat up a guy..so for you protest means beating people?? Where is the proof that he was beaten up?Why didn't the medical report show no injuries ?Why did the inquiry committee didn't find them guilty of assault the first time ?Why did HRD ministry and Labour minister had to get involved in an independent inquiry committee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulgame Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Is the Supreme Court infallible? Does our SC meet the standards and credentials of civilized nation? Answer is an emphatic NO.And regardless if it was approved by the SC, what is wrong or illegal in protesting a SC decision? *Waits for Sanghi sophistry*According to some here protesting against death penalty is anti-national.Sums it up really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) HRD officials however claimed that after Dattatreya, MP from Secunderabad, wrote the letter on August 17 last year, the ministry only followed the standard practice by writing to the University on September 3, seeking the "issues raised by the MoS may be examined and facts intimated." "It would be wrong to say that the Ministry has put any pressure on the Hyderabad University. The Ministry had only followed the procedure as per the Central Secretariat Manual of Office Procedure.""According to the procedure, if there is a VIP reference, it has to be acknowledged in 15 days and another 15 days may be taken to reply to it. Since no response was coming from the University, the Ministry had to send reminders," HRD Ministry spokesperson Ghanshyam Goel said.After its first letter, the ministry sent four reminders on - September 24, October 6, October 20 and November 19 last year, to the University seeking facts expeditiously so that it could respond to the Minister of State Dattatreya.HRD officials said the University finally provided a reply only on January 7, this year. http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/rohith-suicide-mhrd-says-sending-repeated-reminders-hcu-was-standard-procedure-37907 Why University didn't quickly replied to HRD ministry? all they have to say is Dattatreya is wrong ins saying University have castiest/extremist/Anti national politics going on. Edited January 20, 2016 by bulbul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/%E2%80%98i-was-shocked-rohith%E2%80%99s-suicide-rivalry-was-just-student-politics%E2%80%99-abvp-leader-susheel-37844This is from interview of ABVP guy...Now I cant provide more proof as either side cannot prove completely.Interview from ABVP is the standard of proof that Sanghis provide. Please note for future reference, Mee Laard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 According to some here protesting against death penalty is anti-national.Sums it up really Protesting punishment of terror attack consiprator isnt pro national either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Interview from ABVP is the standard of proof that Sanghis provide. Please note for future reference, Mee Laard!Cut the nonsense at end of every post....where did I said its definitive proof? do you have any proof to say its not happened? these kind of stuff always difficult to prove or disapprove . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulgame Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Protesting punishment of terror attack consiprator isnt pro national either.Protesting against death penalty doesn't equate to protest against punishment of terror attack conspirator .Unless u have proof that they claimed he is a martyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Protesting against death penalty doesn't equate to protest against punishment of terror attack conspirator .Unless u have proof that they claimed he is a martyrCommon BG, do you think these are black and white cases? why a funeral prayer arranged if some one protests against death penalty?These are typical turf wars played between different student unions...obviously both will have big sized ego leaders and try to score point by taking any cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 You have no idea what you are talking about. Get out in the real world and experience real education. I won't use words that might offend you and you block my replies (OMG sunny da reply nahin aata). You'll be blocked for the stupidity and vendetta that you carried against a civilized poster opposing Modi (not me).Civilized poster in political section of ICF is a strange word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulgame Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Common BG, do you think these are black and white cases? why a funeral prayer arranged if some one protests against death penalty?These are typical turf wars played between different student unions...obviously both will have big sized ego leaders and try to score point by taking any cases. The question is what business the Union ministers getting involved in regular student union fights .Why did Dattatreya throw castiesm allegations if the issue was only about Yakub Menon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 The question is what business the Union ministers getting involved in regular student union fights . Why did Dattatreya throw castiesm allegations if the issue was only about Yakub MenonThose are generic comments based on feedbacks by one Union....now its Universities responsibility to prove its wrong..that's all.Question is why University failed to response to HRD ministry? also why ASA didn't protests against Rohit & others suspension? Why they didn't take care of Rohit & his commitments rather than left him hanging dry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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