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he bowled up to 140 in his earlier spell which is good for a 20 year old guy.

I seem to vaguely recollect Avesh khan touching 140 when he was 17-18? i wonder what's happened to him. become another thundering trundler?

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he bowled up to 140 in his earlier spell which is good for a 20 year old guy.

But I don't think he is anything special like he was hyped up here. Looks just an ordinary bowler. In the morning, conditions were very very good for bowling and he got the advantage. Now when batsmen are set and there is no movement, he is very not at all threatening.

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Nathu Singh's is looking like a tall fast-medium bowler to me.

Doubt he a genuine fast bowler as of now...may become one as he grows older, as he is only 20 and indians are not at their quickest at that age.

BUT

His run-up as well as arm rotation speed are not like a very fast  bowler.

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Dude am watching live and he is never crossing 134 

Just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so is pace. When I see Nathu Singh, I see Thommo + Akhtar rolled into one with the steepling bounce of Garner, the all-round skills of Akram and Marshall, and the accuracy of a McGrath. Do you also see what I see ;) ?

Avesh Khan is in the U19 squad. We will get to see whether he has maintained that pace in the U19 World Cup.

Good to hear he's alive and kicking then (well, maybe not the last part so much).

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Nathu Singh's is looking like a tall fast-medium bowler to me.

Doubt he a genuine fast bowler as of now...may become one as he grows older, as he is only 20 and indians are not at their quickest at that age.

BUT

His run-up as well as arm rotation speed are not like a very fast  bowler.

Action is not fluid. Lot of effort at the final moment. 

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Nathu Singh's is looking like a tall fast-medium bowler to me.

Doubt he a genuine fast bowler as of now...may become one as he grows older, as he is only 20 and indians are not at their quickest at that age.

BUT

His run-up as well as arm rotation speed are not like a very fast  bowler.

Avesh Khan was allegedly bowling at around the same pace when he was younger (~18).

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His coach at MRF said that he has been clocked up to 145K in the nets. Here, you can see he has not been trying to bowl quick at all, still clocked 135 plus in his first spell. He has been termed special not just because of pace, but because of his ability to bowl wicket taking balls. He is rookiee, cut some slack. He will get quicker as his body matures. Bowlers can gain pace till they reach age 24-25 because by this age your body matures.

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I seem to vaguely recollect Avesh khan touching 140 when he was 17-18? i wonder what's happened to him. become another thundering trundler?

Yes, he did. He will play for U19 WC, will see his pace there. Because in domestic matches, speeds vary a lot and so many times, bowlers are clocked slower than they bowl in international matches.

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His coach at MRF said that he has been clocked up to 145K in the nets. Here, you can see he has not been trying to bowl quick at all, still clocked 135 plus in his first spell. He has been termed special not just because of pace, but because of his ability to bowl wicket taking balls. He is rookiee, cut some slack. He will get quicker as his body matures. Bowlers can gain pace till they reach age 24-25 because by this age your body matures.

Sure. In general, Indian pacers are cut waaay too much slack though.

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His coach at MRF said that he has been clocked up to 145K in the nets. Here, you can see he has not been trying to bowl quick at all, still clocked 135 plus in his first spell. He has been termed special not just because of pace, but because of his ability to bowl wicket taking balls. He is rookiee, cut some slack. He will get quicker as his body matures. Bowlers can gain pace till they reach age 24-25 because by this age your body matures.

Why is he not trying to bowl quick ?? Genuine question. If he does not have confidence in bowling fast in the match conditions, that too when opposition is reeling at 30 for 5, then when will he bowl fast.

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Effort at the final moment is good for a fast bowler.

I was talking about his relatively slower arm rotation speed compared to a genuine quick.

He is not express by any means. He can jag the ball back in. That's how he got those 3 bowled wickets. If he can bowl upto 145K with an avg. speed of 140K that will be good enough I guess. 

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Anyways I am not here to argue with anybody. Just saw him bowling for the first time and could not understand the hype for this trundler. I don't think he is gonna be anything special but would love to be proven wrong. 

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Isn't Rabada 20 year old too. Now that is what we call special bowler not these trundlers who are getting wickets because we are starting matches in the dawn.

Haha. That really puts it in context. Rabada. Waqar. etc.

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LOL, I was wondering if I entered the wrong thread for a moment when I saw discussion about Rabada here.

They're thinking of grantng him Indian citizenship and luring him to play for Ind (a la England). Actually, I'm surprised that he isn't playing for Ingerland already.

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They're thinking of grantng him Indian citizenship and luring him to play for Ind (a la England). Actually, I'm surprised that he isn't playing for Ingerland already.

LOL, not a bad idea. Is he williing to join us?

How is the match going?

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Anyways I am not here to argue with anybody. Just saw him bowling for the first time and could not understand the hype for this trundler. I don't think he is gonna be anything special but would love to be proven wrong. 

But people like Dravid, Sandeep Patil and many ex-cricketers who have seen him bowl, think there is something special about him. This is also his 1st season in domestic cricket. Need to give him more time to develop.

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LOL, I was wondering if I entered the wrong thread for a moment when I saw discussion about Rabada here.

Otherwise, Cummins clocked 150 at the age of 17. Among Indians Ishant clocked 150 at the age of 19 but lost that pace after one year. Monu kumar in last U19 world cup clocked 140 at 19. Ankit Rakpoot clocked 139 at 19. Rajpoot 2-3 years later is consistently quicker. In SMA trophy final, he looked really. Hitting quickest at 142, consistently in 135-138 range which is good for a 21-22 year old bowler because  he still has 2-3 years before he could reach his peak pace if he keeps bowling like this and does not get any major injury. I saw Bumrah clocking 144 at 20 in IPL.

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LOL, not a bad idea. Is he williing to join us?

How is the match going?

Who knows ;) ?

 

Match is going fine. Rayudu and Rassool put together a good partnership of approx 100 runs after being around 30/5 but Rayudu feel, slogging against Negi. Tail exposed now.

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He is not express by any means. He can jag the ball back in. That's how he got those 3 bowled wickets. If he can bowl upto 145K with an avg. speed of 140K that will be good enough I guess. 

Nathu Singh has many interesting qualities.

He is tall and will generate bounce when he will put in extra effort. ( I missed his first spell, I think you said he bowled some good bouncers )

He is looking like an accurate bowler and is not spraying the ball around despite being a rookie.

He is bowling fast-medium at age 20 which is not bad for the Indian body. ( which becomes fit for fast bowling after 23 or 24 )

BUT

He should not have been hyped up as genuine fast bowler. He is not there yet and it will put a lot of pressure on the young lad when people will be disappointed seeing his current speeds.

 

 

 

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Otherwise, Cummins clocked 150 at the age of 17. Among Indians Ishant clocked 150 at the age of 19 but lost that pace after one year. Monu kumar in last U19 world cup clocked 140 at 19. Ankit Rakpoot clocked 139 at 19. Rajpoot 2-3 years later is consistently quicker. In SMA trophy final, he looked really. Hitting quickest at 142, consistently in 135-138 range which is good for a 21-22 year old bowler because  he still has 2-3 years before he could reach his peak pace if he keeps bowling like this and does not get any major injury. I saw Bumrah clocking 144 at 20 in IPL.

He clocked around 147 recently. Seems to be on his way to regaining it... or getting close enoug.

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But people like Dravid, Sandeep Patil and many ex-cricketers who have seen him bowl, think there is something special about him. This is also his 1st season in domestic cricket. Need to give him more time to develop.

Sure. He should be given time and encouragement to develop. Not denying that but the hype made about this guy in this forum made me believe that he was ready to run through international teams and scare the batsmen. After watching him live, I gotta say that he is nothing of that sort.

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Nathu Singh has many interesting qualities.

He is tall and will generate bounce when he will put in extra effort. ( I missed his first spell, I think you said he bowled some good bouncers )

He is looking like an accurate bowler and is not spraying the ball around despite being a rookie.

He is bowling fast-medium at age 20 which is not bad for the Indian body. ( which becomes fit for fast bowling after 23 or 24 )

BUT

He should not have been hyped up as genuine fast bowler. He is not there yet and it will put a lot of pressure on the young lad when people will be disappointed seeing his current speeds.

 

 

 

Indians are so desperate fir pace, they'll hype anyone as a genuine fast bowler. Someone told me recently that Mohinder Amarnath was fast-medium! If Jimmy was indeed "fast-medium" then every current Indian trundler is express pace! People are also hyping Pandya up as genuine quick, just because he hits 140s on occasion. Some perspective is reqd.

 

Waqar was bowling 150 or thereabouts at 18-19.

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I was impressed with his speeds in the last 2 ODIs. 

Aye.

Sure. He should be given time and encouragement to develop. Not denying that but the hype made about this guy in this forum made me believe that he was ready to run through international teams and scare the batsmen. After watching him live, I gotta say that he is nothing of that sort.

That's what I thought too. That we had some pace bowling red hot sensation.

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Indian physique takes a lot more time to become mature and fit for fast bowling.

We rarely get fast bowlers before 23 or 24.

Piss-hant was touching 150 at 19. Srinath was very fast at 20 or so. But these are more of exceptions I think.

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Rasool has played a very good innings here. Saw out the tough period in the morning. That 6 over extra cover of Negi was awesome.

Solid bat. Has a poor to middling record with ball though in FCs, List A and T20s.

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Actually we rarely get any FAST bowlers , let alone at 23 or 24 :--D

We are getting a few these days.

Those who end up being fast...do so only after 23 or 24.

It is one thing touching 145 k or 148 k once in a while ( which even nathu has done ) but bowling 140 k + for a high % of deliveries is fast bowling and that requires at least 23 or 24 yeaares of age for  Indians

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We are getting a few these days.

Those who end up being fast...do so only after 23 or 24.

It is one thing touching 145 k or 148 k once in a while ( which even nathu has done ) but bowling 140 k + for a high % of deliveries is fast bowling and that requires at least 23 or 24 yeaares of age for  Indians

We've had only 5 bowlers thus far (in international cricket) that have touched the 150 kmph barrier, even if only once.

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Indians are so desperate fir pace, they'll hype anyone as a genuine fast bowler. Someone told me recently that Mohinder Amarnath was fast-medium! If Jimmy was indeed "fast-medium" then every current Indian trundler is express pace! People are also hyping Pandya up as genuine quick, just because he hits 140s on occasion. Some perspective is reqd.

 

Waqar was bowling 150 or thereabouts at 18-19.

Jimmy's deliveries seemed  slower than his run-up   , which was very slow    :cantstop:

Waqar was as much a 19 year old at debut as Afridi is a 27 year old today.       :giggle:

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Jimmy's deliveries seemed  slower than his run-up   , which was very slow    :cantstop:

Waqar was as much a 19 year old at debut as Afridi is a 27 year old today.       :giggle:

A true trundler. Trundler of Trundlers indeed.

 

Huh? I thought Afridi was only 25? I never realized he was that "old".

 

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Piss-hant was touching 150 at 19. Srinath was very fast at 20 or so. But these are more of exceptions I think.

You remember Ishant's first test. He was only bowling 130-135, never really went quicker than that. He played in Sydney, there too, he was bowling at around 135K only. Even at Perth he was mainly 135-138K range but he got seam off the deck. But after that spell to Ponting, suddenly got something into him and he bowled very quick at Adelaide, his quickest in that test was 147 and he kept getting better and in triseries, he clocked up to 152. His pace stayed up for about 1 year but as soon as he lost that rhythm he was in, he lost that pace. 

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