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India have won as many ICC trophies since 2011 as Pakistan have in their entire history......

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India has always been a good side in the ICC tournaments except that we had weak bowling attacks almost everytime. And also a weak batting lineup once Sachin got out in the LOIs. If not for these, I am sure we would have more ICC tournaments. Sometimes, the opposition team played well too. But overall, we would have a couple more.

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Our bowling has always outperformed the pakistani bowling in most ICC tournaments, it is better to have a weak bowling attack which performs when it matters the most rather than an attack which is supposedly "strong" but fails every time it matters

 

But it has failed too in ICC tournaments. ICC World Cup 2003 final and 2011 semi final.

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Even in test matches, if we consider bilateral series between two countries, it is tied 4 series wins each...the rest being draws.

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Out of their 4 series wins, Pakistan won 2 of them during the period of home umpires...they had 2 great umpiring heroes during that period...Shakur Rana and Khizar Hyat....we could not get a Pakistani out unless his stumps were shattered .....and while we were batting, we were given LBW almost every time the ball hit our pads ( Height and direction immaterial ) ( this heroic umpiring was seen again in 1998 when Sachin was given out by Mr. Rana in Sharjah after he scored 130 + and the ball hit his pad way outside the leg stump )     :laugh:

If we consider bilateral test series played between India and Pakistan under proper umpiring....we are actually ahead 4-2.

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India has won 

2  World Cups

1  World  T20

2  Champion's Trophy

5  Asia Cups

 

Pakistan has won

1  World Cup

1  World  T20

0  Champion's Trophy

2  Asia Cups

 

We are far better at  winning the big LOI tournaments that matter.

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Even in test matches, if we consider bilateral series between two countries, it is tied 4 series wins each...the rest being draws.

BUT

Out of their 4 series wins, Pakistan won 2 of them during the period of home umpires...they had 2 great umpiring heroes during that period...Shakur Rana and Khisar Hyat....we could not get a Pakistani out unless his stumps were shattered .....and while we were batting, we were given LBW almost every time the ball hit our pads ( Height and direction immaterial ) ( this heroic umpiring was seen again in 1998 when Sachin was given out by Mr. Rana in Sharjah after he scored 130 + and the ball hit his pad way outside the leg stump )     :laugh:

If we consider bilateral test series played between India and Pakistan under proper umpiring....we are actually ahead 4-2.

Even the test H2H is 12-9 only and not overwhelmingly in their favour. To be fair their overall test record is still probably better but nowhere near as much as they would like you to believe. Last time I checked India had better test records in and overall vs SA and Aus, 2 countries where no Asian team has won test series up until now. India have also won 3 test series vs West Indies whereas Pakistan have 0. India also won series in England and New Zealand before Pakistan managed to IIRC. I see India overtaking Pakistan overall in test cricket over the next few years if the present trends continue.

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True Story -:

In a live interview in early 80's, the interview asks Imran Khan -  What do you need to become World Champion team?

IK - 2 people , Sunny Gavaskar and Kapil Dev!

 

Interviewer to Sunil Gavaskar - What do you need to become World Champion team?

SG - 2 people , 2 Pakistani umpires!

 

:cantstop:

It was this bad really. 

Pakistani umpiring, during the '70s and '80s,  reached a " height "  which is impossible in these days.

 

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A bit of rivalry is good,it was missing on icf for a long time.but we shouldn't be comparing to Pakistan,they are hardly the benchmark

contest is heating up between Kohli and Pakistan. Kohli and Pakistan are both on 2 ICC trophies. The question is, can Kohli overtake Pakistan?

bwahaaha loving it :hysterical::hysterical:

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A bit of rivalry is good,it was missing on icf for a long time.but we shouldn't be comparing to Pakistan,they are hardly the benchmark

bwahaaha loving it :hysterical::hysterical:

During the '70s, '80s and early part of '90s, Pakistani bowlers, umpires and bottle caps  made them generate win-loss stats that were above the benchmark, hence the comparison to put things in perspective.    :agree:

Just looking at the very average Pakistan cricket team in the last 10 years won't give you the full picture.

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India has won 

2  World Cups

1 T20 World Cup

2  Champion's Trophy

5  Asia Cups

 

Pakistan has won

1  World Cup

1  T20 World Cup

0  Champion's Trophy

2  Asia Cups

 

We are far better at  winning the big LOI tournaments that matter.

Even the 2nd asia cup that they won was because they were lucky, India were eliminated due a stupid rule even though we had same points as bangladesh and a much better runrate, we would have won had we played the final, even bangla was close to beating pakistan and choked in the end

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India has won 

2  World Cups

1 T20 World Cup

2  Champion's Trophy

5  Asia Cups

 

Pakistan has won

1  World Cup

1  T20 World Cup

0  Champion's Trophy

2  Asia Cups

 

We are far better at  winning the big LOI tournaments that matter.

things changed so much after Dhoni took over specially in tournaments ..earlier we used to choke and had similar record to them but since then we have won almost every trophy I believe ..

hopefully that will continue after he goes but this is one thing he and others like Yuvraj added to team .

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53 minutes ago, Dil Dil India said:

Overall H2H is 85-67 in Pakistan's favour including all formats. There I reminded you! Always ready to help our needy brothers across the border :D

 

Now I'd like to remind you a few more things:

 

In the most important part of the H2H, India have an unblemished record vs Pakistan. It is all well and good to have a H2H record on the basis of coca cola, pepsi, lahori dal cups but it is what you do on the big stage that counts. It would be like leading the H2H vs someone at ATP250 level but pissing themselves at the grand slams. 

Moving on, India have won TWICE the number of World Cups as Pakistan (and didn't have to rely on rain bailing them out in either edition) and did it a full decade before Pakistan did. Moreover, India have won 2 Champions Trophies (1 each in the SC and England) whereas Pakistan have won 0. India have won 6 Asia Cups to Pakistan's 2.

India have also won test series in more countries, have a better record IN Australia/SA in tests.

 

I understand it feels good to graduate from Lahore grammar school and throw around numbers but context is important otherwise you will end up like Bilal7.

lahori dal cups :hysterical:

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H2H matters and it is due India's golden generation's ineptness that this disparity still exists.They should have never lost Karachi 06, Bangalore 05 and should have swept that 2007 series that Pakistan team had no business of drawing two test matches.

 

Pakistan somehow always shows up  to fight during bilateral series against India even when they had weaker teams.

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8 hours ago, Sajid_Rana said:

What is head to head count in ODIs & tests? My memory is weak. Can somebody please remind me thx

Since 2000, India has won 2 tests in Pakistan, while Pak has managed to win one in India.  Let's leave ODIs and T20s out of this, because I don't want you to turn green in embarassment.   Pak fans ought to be sending mithai boxes to BCCI for protecting their precious "H2H" records from the previous millenium.  All of us know what would happen if these 2 teams played with neutral umpires, anywhere in the world.  

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On 2/4/2016 at 2:12 AM, express bowling said:

As far as I know ( please correct me if I am wrong )

Our head-to-head record against Pakistan in  the 50-over World Cups  is 6-0

Our head-to-head record against Pakistan in  the 20-over World T20's  is 5-0  

We basically win  the big LOI matches.

 

corrected. World Cup is in 50 over format only.

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1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

My signature says it all... compare these stats/tourneys to what Pakistan has managed to do and you will get your answer.

UG your signature is not visible, but i remember it to be nice.

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9 hours ago, Sajid_Rana said:

What is head to head count in ODIs & tests? My memory is weak. Can somebody please remind me thx

head to head is over a period and it also considers periods where pakistani home umpires had very dubious standards and players used bottle caps etc. So more relevant is current period say from 2011. or even 2000 for that matter.

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Dhoni as captain has won more ICC trophies than Pakistan in their history

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dhoni has also led us to that shambolic "ane do" series loss, which we could have easily won!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Vilander said:

UG your signature is not visible, but i remember it to be nice.

It's not? Weird as I can see it. Anyway here's what it says...

 

World Cups - 2, T20 Cups - 1, Champions Trophy - 2, Asia Cups- 6, World Championship of Cricket winners, held #1 spot in Tests and 3 times u-19 World Cup winners to boot.

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Offtopic: can anyone let me know how you can modify or tweak your signature? I went to my profile home page but wasn't able to figure out how to do so. Looks like there's something wrong with my siggy as some posters are not able to see it.

 

@Vilanderany idea how to do so?

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3 hours ago, sandeep said:

Banjo, in some ways you, viper and the "anti ites" are 2 sides of the same coin.   

They beat us when it comes to obsession though.

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Dhoni has also led us to that shambolic "ane do" series loss, which we could have easily won!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only if rest of the batsmen could bat to ball against Junaid.

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Offtopic: can anyone let me know how you can modify or tweak your signature? I went to my profile home page but wasn't able to figure out how to do so. Looks like there's something wrong with my siggy as some posters are not able to see it.

 

@Vilanderany idea how to do so?

 

Go to account settings (Not profile) and then click settings area -> signature and edit it .

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