Would Binny have been more successful than Pandya yesterday???

[maniac]

Controversial question I know.

I will take a lot of heat for this lol but before I explain let me clear a few things.....

I am not a fan of Binny

I was/am still excited to see what Pandya has to offer.

I don't believe in bits and pieces or fielding a player just because he can bat and bowl.....I always think a player should get in on his specialized skill and then if has more to offer that should be a bonus.....there is a reason why likes of Kapil,Botham,Imran,Kallis do not just fall of trees everyday.

Also I am not writing off Pandya yet based on 4 games of mostly Tamasha T20 cricket.

Now let me explain

Binny has shown decent technique to play innings against good fast bowling  especially in the England series as well as that ODI against Australia where he scored 40 odd and looked really in control.

I think the 6-4 was a fluke against a mediocre side but he has shown wicket taking ability and has shown that he can swing the ball in helpful conditions.

Pandya is 140 K but if you bowl like a bowling machine with no movement....140K is the perfect pace for most international batsmen.

Ashwin's knock yesterday was kind of what is expected from "allrounders" in crisis situations....this doesn't mean that Ashwin now is the answer to all the problems but during a collapse that is what is expected from an allrounder and yesterday Pandya had the perfect opportunity to showcase his skills.One might argue that even Jadeja flopped....now Jadeja used to be bits and pieces back in the day but these days he is a front-line spinner who can make the team on bowling alone(yes question the technique of modern day batsmen....but this is unfortunately a true statement) 

I will give him some more time as yesterday was his first shot at batting in a international game but at this point of time despite all the ridicule Binny seems to be the best medium pace bowling allrounder we have in the country as unfortunate as it sounds.....oh I forgot Rish Dhawan lol the No-rounder.

[Shivaji bhonsle]

No. He was given out lbw which could have gone either way. Bowled a good line and length at 135 k.

Remember, he is a batting all rounder and an athletic fielder. Let him bat for few overs and you will what he is capable of. One doesn't hit 34 runs in an over without talent and potential.

[maniac]

That new guy shanaka and perera bowl at the same pace binny does and they were getting good movement of the seam.

135 with no movement doesn't cut it at the international level.....also I have serious doubts about pandyas control especially with wides..... I have only seen yesterday and his first game tbh.

now as far as batting goes 34 runs in an over in some domestic game by that same benchmark 3 300s is a greater feat but we know how good jadeja is as an international batsman. I have no issues with jadeja though as he has transformed himself as a frontline spinner.

i am not backing binny here but I don't think it makes sense selecting a player on perceived allround talent when the player hasn't acheived a lot in either department.

if we are playing an allrounder just for the heck of it I am afraid binny is better than both Dhawan and Pandya so far from what I have seen in international cricket even though that's not saying a lot.

better play a genuine batsman/power hitter who can roll his arm over.

[Ankit_sharma03]

As a bowler yes, he wud have been. He swings the ball a lot and the pitch had zip and spungy bounce

Binny cud have been lethal. 

But Dhoni is the captain , i have seen binny bowl in eng 2nd test lords without a slip with duke ball under Dhoni n In sl bowling with 2-3 slips with an old kookabura ball under kohli. Last year Cb series against eng also he took 3 wkts n turned the game and dhoni took him out of attack. So u never know with dhoni and specilally the player he has no faith in

Pandya shudnt be compared with rishi n binny in terms of bowling. Its unfair to him as both binny n rishi has a lot of over under them playing domestic . Pandya has just 1-2 season, that were you need to invest

As a bowler he wud take time to be there. 

Even bhuvi cud have been handy on such pitch, even though he looks low on confidence. 

[kruiser]

Bhuvi would not have succeeded because he "swings" the ball and does not seam it off the pitch. There was no swing that I saw yesterday in either SL or IND innings. Even the seam movement was not exaggerated. it was just the spongy bounce and 2 paced pitch that did the Indian batsmen in.

Rohit - ball stopped on him

Yuvraj - Ball did not rise as much as he expected

Dhoni - bounced higher than expected

SL did ball very well yesterday though, but were in no way unplayable. In T20, luck plays a bigger role than in ODIs or tests.  Another day on the same pitch with the same team, we could have posted 140. So not worried about a t20 loss.

[vvvslaxman]

It was a poor total to defend. yes in hindsight he could have as the pitch offered pace that you would need. Add swing to it, he could have been more handy. But if we are back to flat tracks his inclusion will be a joke. Pandya is a hard hitter who can clock 135k . Also he looks like a good outfielder.

[tweaker]

Pandya is bowling as per his captain's wish.Dhoni wants to bowl him wide off the off stump.He is still too raw as he has played just this Ranji season.

[rkt.india]

That new guy shanaka and perera bowl at the same pace binny does and they were getting good movement of the seam.

135 with no movement doesn't cut it at the international level.....also I have serious doubts about pandyas control especially with wides..... I have only seen yesterday and his first game tbh.

now as far as batting goes 34 runs in an over in some domestic game by that same benchmark 3 300s is a greater feat but we know how good jadeja is as an international batsman. I have no issues with jadeja though as he has transformed himself as a frontline spinner.

i am not backing binny here but I don't think it makes sense selecting a player on perceived allround talent when the player hasn't acheived a lot in either department.

if we are playing an allrounder just for the heck of it I am afraid binny is better than both Dhawan and Pandya so far from what I have seen in international cricket even though that's not saying a lot.

better play a genuine batsman/power hitter who can roll his arm over.

Pandya is that genuine batsman, power hitter who can roll his arm over. He batted at 3-4 for Baroda and was the highest run getter in SMA trophy. He is your quintessential T20 batsman who can consolidate and also can hit big.

Also, if you actually watched the match, you will know Pandya bowled well and he did get seam movement. He had an upright seam and hurried batsmen by cutting the ball in and also got the inside edge with an inswinging delivery which didn't carry to Dhoni as it hit thigh pad after taking the edge. Even in Indian innings barely anyone got out because of movement but because of two paced nature of the pitch. Ball didn't actually move in both the innings. SL got to bowl first and made use of it.

[maniac]

@rkt.india serious question purely as a batsman apples to apples who is better Binny or Pandya?

Now from a technique standpoint Binny is decent based on his innings against the likes of Anderson,Broad etc and as far as being a big hitter in domestics goes...I have seen Binny play some valuable innings in IPL as well and if you go by big hitting ability against weak attacks Binny has done it against Zim,in IPL etc.

Bowling wise it is clear that Binny given the conditions is more useful than Pandya.

Now this might look like a post cheering from Binny...but no I am against any bits and pieces player masquerading as an allrounder Jadeja included......what works in Jadeja's favor right now is that he has earned his spot purely as a bowler.

Now tell me and dont go by pace as that seems to be a reason for people backing Pandya as he has this abilty to hit 135+ upto 140...

taking all factors into consideration who is a better batsman Binny or Pandya?

who is a better bowler Binny or Pandya?

Fielding I am assuming Pandya is the winner here as he is more athletic and in better shape.

I think watching someone like Rishi Dhawan who is not just international material has set our standards low but from what I have seen Binny is a better international cricketer than Pandya at this stage.

If you ask me none of these deserve a shot....I prefer a bowler say someone like Ashwin who can bat or a batsman like Yuvi circa 2011 who can bowl 

Edited February 11, 2016 by maniac

[maniac]

Also yes Pandya has not had enough chances to prove himself yet but so far the verdict is his bowling is not good enough.

Batting he had a golden oppurtunity to prove himself yesterday which due to whatever reason went waste.....so clock is definitely ticking....patience at the international level is very little unless there is some spark.

Now I am sure there will be posts about long ropes for Ishant,Rohit or even someone like Pathan and DK....but here is a thing......they burst onto the scene early on made an impact before finally finding their feet...already 4 international games in albeit T20 Pandya needs something to standout.

With Zak and Pathan early on it was their brilliant yorkers that made people notice.

with Sreeshanth it was always his pace and seam position.

With Rohit it was the CB series and innings in T20 WC 2007.

With DK and even Raina it were their attractive 20s and 30s even in some tough situations.

All these players some TTF,some who made it....they made an impact very very early in their career....Pandya needs to do this fast.

 

[Lannister]

We can not afford to play Binny as an all-rounder in T20s but he can be roped in as a specialist bowler, who, when there is a assistance from pitch, always maintains his line and lengths not giving much width to batsmen to free their arms.

Of course his batting is an added advantage but not in the leagues of an actual T20 all-rounder. He should've been in the squad instead of that useless Harbhajan or even Negi.

[BlueBee]

FFS!

Binny is long gone.

[rkt.india]

@rkt.india serious question purely as a batsman apples to apples who is better Binny or Pandya?

 

Pandya is better if you are talking about LOIs. You dont need a technical batsman at 7 in LOIs. Also, you dont get such pitches often in LOIs all around the world let alone India. So you need to prepare for what you usually get, not for an aberration. Also, Pandya was the biggest reason for MIs success last year in IPL. Pandya has more potential than any alrounder we have played recently. It is all about potential at this stage of his career. Lot of players are picked on potential.

Edited February 11, 2016 by rkt.india

[rkt.india]

 

Now from a technique standpoint Binny is decent based on his innings against the likes of Anderson,Broad etc and as far as being a big hitter in domestics goes...I have seen Binny play some valuable innings in IPL as well and if you go by big hitting ability against weak attacks Binny has done it against Zim,in IPL etc.

 

Where has Binny done well as a hitter? TBH, he has not done much as a batsman in IPL or even as a bowler. He is your quintessential bits and pieces player, neither here nor there. Let Pandya play enough matches and he is going to win you matches with the bat at international level. This was the first time he got to bat and got a dubious LBW decision.

[rkt.india]

Also yes Pandya has not had enough chances to prove himself yet but so far the verdict is his bowling is not good enough.

Batting he had a golden oppurtunity to prove himself yesterday which due to whatever reason went waste.....so clock is definitely ticking....patience at the international level is very little unless there is some spark.

Now I am sure there will be posts about long ropes for Ishant,Rohit or even someone like Pathan and DK....but here is a thing......they burst onto the scene early on made an impact before finally finding their feet...already 4 international games in albeit T20 Pandya needs something to standout.

With Zak and Pathan early on it was their brilliant yorkers that made people notice.

with Sreeshanth it was always his pace and seam position.

With Rohit it was the CB series and innings in T20 WC 2007.

With DK and even Raina it were their attractive 20s and 30s even in some tough situations.

All these players some TTF,some who made it....they made an impact very very early in their career....Pandya needs to do this fast.

 

Raina got a duck in his first innings. This was the first innings for Pandya too. Also, as I said before, T20 is the toughest format for a youngster and debutantes. They can look like headless chicken at times in this format. ODIs are easier, the reason, i wanted him to debut in ODI series in Aus.

[rkt.india]

Also, we need to remember that we are preparing for WC 2019, so, we should not just look short term. Binny is not going to get any younger who is already 31 and we will certainly need a seam bowling alrounder at that time. Pandya will have enough enough games under his belt by that time. I hope by that time he gets to bat in top 6, probably at 6. Dhoni wont be there so we will need a big hitter at 6.

[express bowling]

Don't jump on a young player with potential after three matches, that too in T20, which is the most " hit or miss " format among the three. Also, he is primarily a batsman and has batted for just 1 innings on a pitch where even the experienced pros have failed.

Every new player, with talent to succeed in internationals, needs to be given a long rope and time to develop.   A batsman with the ability to hit big sixes and fours, bat properly if needed and send down some decent overs at 132 k to 142 k...is one such talent.

 

 

Edited February 11, 2016 by express bowling

[Lannister]

Pandya's bowling is nothing special to be honest, batsmen can easily pick up his line and lengths, he bowls too straight. He can become a handy bowler in longer formats, but in T20s I am afraid he'll just get carted around, as he lacks subtle variations required for this format. We can't depend on him as a 5th bowling option. Of course he has to contribute with his batting too, if he wants to keep his place. 

Edited February 11, 2016 by Lannister

[rkt.india]

Pandya's bowling is nothing special to be honest, batsmen can easily pick up his line and lengths, he bowls too straight. He can become a handy bowler in longer formats, but in T20s I am afraid he'll just get carted around, as he lacks subtle variations required for this format. We can't depend on him as a 5th bowling option. Of course he has to contribute with his batting too, if he wants to keep his place. 

no one said his bowling is special. He wasnt even a fast bowler just 2-3 seasons back.  He was a batsman who would bowl spin. Later, he started bowling pace, so, he is still a work in progress as far bowling is concerned. It is the batting where he has shown that big hitting ability. Australians picked Mitchell Marsh who had similar traits when he was picked. Now 2 years down the line, he is proving to be a very useful player for them. Same was the case with Ben Stokes.

Edited February 11, 2016 by rkt.india

[youngindia]

Don't jump on a young player with potential after three matches, that too in T20, which is the most " hit or miss " format among the three. Also, he is

 

 

The OP in question is a quixotic poster and a sympathiser of the likes of  vinay kumar and binny.

Just allow him to keep making a fool of himself..

 

binny is a mediocre international and has no business playing international cricket if not for the 1983 band of idiots.

 

Jadeja and pandya are class players and  will have a degree of   international success...how much is the question 

 

no comparison.