deathmonger Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 After 2012 WT20, Indian fans have begun to start expecting the worst.Well if you are going by the past since the 2011 WC we have lost at most one match (none in 2013 CT) in an ICC event. We already have our loss out of the way this time. Link to comment
zen Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) In this tourney, almost all the games that I have watched (except Ind vs NZ) have been competitive .... which probably shows that a few players doing well can keep the team in the game so it is hard to write any team off based Edited March 21, 2016 by rett Link to comment
Adi_91 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Well if you are going by the past since the 2011 WC we have lost at most one match (none in 2013 CT) in an ICC event. We already have our loss out of the way this time. As @rett said in another thread, we all are hoping for the best and preparing for the worst. I hope at the end of the day, all deserving teams go through and hope India is one among them. zen 1 Link to comment
zen Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) NZ hs beaten Pak before in WT20, however Pak has a better record (as NZ has traditionally been its bunny): View match results [change view]Primary team New Zealand Opposition team Pakistan Trophy World T20 Totals in terms of batting team Ordered by start date (ascending)Page 1 of 1Showing 1 - 4 of 4 First PreviousNext Last Return to query menuCleared query menuMatch resultsTeamResultMarginBRTossBat OppositionGroundStart Date New Zealandlost6 wickets7won1st v PakistanCape Town22 Sep 2007New Zealandlost6 wickets41won1st v PakistanThe Oval13 Jun 2009New Zealandwon1 runs lost1st v PakistanBridgetown8 May 2010New Zealandlost13 runs lost2nd v PakistanPallekele23 Sep 2012 Edited March 21, 2016 by rett Link to comment
deathmonger Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 NZ hs beaten Pak before in WT20, however Pak has a better record (as NZ has traditionally been its bunny): View match results [change view]Primary team New Zealand Opposition team Pakistan Trophy World T20 Totals in terms of batting team Ordered by start date (ascending)Page 1 of 1Showing 1 - 4 of 4 First PreviousNext Last Return to query menuCleared query menuMatch resultsTeamResultMarginBRTossBat OppositionGroundStart Date New Zealandlost6 wickets7won1st v PakistanCape Town22 Sep 2007New Zealandlost6 wickets41won1st v PakistanThe Oval13 Jun 2009New Zealandwon1 runs lost1st v PakistanBridgetown8 May 2010New Zealandlost13 runs lost2nd v PakistanPallekele23 Sep 2012I think historical records matter jackshit. It's about the current team. This new NZ team is one of the world's best (WC finalists as well). Pakistan team is very weak and no Ajmal/Hafeez as well. Link to comment
deathmonger Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 NZ hs beaten Pak before in WT20, however Pak has a better record (as NZ has traditionally been its bunny): View match results [change view]Primary team New Zealand Opposition team Pakistan Trophy World T20 Totals in terms of batting team Ordered by start date (ascending)Page 1 of 1Showing 1 - 4 of 4 First PreviousNext Last Return to query menuCleared query menuMatch resultsTeamResultMarginBRTossBat OppositionGroundStart Date New Zealandlost6 wickets7won1st v PakistanCape Town22 Sep 2007New Zealandlost6 wickets41won1st v PakistanThe Oval13 Jun 2009New Zealandwon1 runs lost1st v PakistanBridgetown8 May 2010New Zealandlost13 runs lost2nd v PakistanPallekele23 Sep 2012I think historical records matter jackshit. It's about the current team. This new NZ team is one of the world's best (WC finalists as well). Pakistan team is very weak and no Ajmal/Hafeez as well. Link to comment
Adi_91 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) I think historical records matter jackshit. It's about the current team. This new NZ team is one of the world's best (WC finalists as well). Pakistan team is very weak and no Ajmal/Hafeez as well.On their day, Irfan can bowl like Marshall and Amir like Lillee or they will all decide to bowl freebies like they did against Bangladesh In the Asia Cup. You never know this Pakistan side. They are unpredictable in every sense. Edited March 21, 2016 by Adi_91 Link to comment
zen Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) I think historical records matter jackshit. It's about the current team. This new NZ team is one of the world's best (WC finalists as well). Pakistan team is very weak and no Ajmal/Hafeez as well.What I was suggesting is that NZ do beat Pak at world events .... it was not meant to draw any conclusion on the result of the upcoming match Edited March 21, 2016 by rett Link to comment
deathmonger Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 What I was suggesting is that NZ do beat Pak at world events Yeah. This NZ team has been beating Pakistan a lot. Defeated them last year too in ODIs/T20s home/away. Even defeated them in a test in UAE. adi B 1 Link to comment
zen Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Yeah. This NZ team has been beating Pakistan a lot. Defeated them last year too in ODIs/T20s home/away. Even defeated them in a test in UAE. Exactly. And I am expecting it to be a close game as NZ would be seeking to enter SF while Pak would be fighting for its survival Link to comment
Adi_91 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Tbh, NZ's best chance to win is when the pitch turns. They slowed down the RR during India and Aus's chases only through their spinners. The seamers, Boult and Southee haven't bowled yet and will be under huge pressure if they do play. For Pakistan, they would want the pitch to help their seamers. Interesting game ahead today. Pitch holds the key for the result. Link to comment
Iconoclast Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 NZ will fancy playing Pakistan in the finals rather than the home team, so..... We will score more than 79 adi B, chewy and Utalk 3 Link to comment
Iconoclast Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 If they don't shave of that grass this will be an exciting match ... don't ruin it BCCI. Link to comment
Adi_91 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 We will score more than 79Maybe a close finish with 80 all out, possible and it has happened. Link to comment
Autonomous Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) Tbh, NZ's best chance to win is when the pitch turns. They slowed down the RR during India and Aus's chases only through their spinners. The seamers, Boult and Southee haven't bowled yet and will be under huge pressure if they do play. For Pakistan, they would want the pitch to help their seamers. Interesting game ahead today. Pitch holds the key for the result.No its actually opposite, Turner will be better option. Sarfraz and Malik play spin well so would put them at 3 and 4 which would negate the threat of NZ Spinners while we would hope to get Kiwis out by playing Nawaz, Immad and Damaad e Hind. Amir takes pitch out of equation as he is smart enough to get a wicket or two and be a threat. Edited March 21, 2016 by Autonomous Link to comment
Iconoclast Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Maybe a close finish with 80 all out, possible and it has happened.Remember this match http://www.espncricinfo.com/wt202009/engine/current/match/356008.htmlGul should have been in this team ... can still bowl them yorkers at will. Link to comment
Adi_91 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 No its actually opposite, Turner will be better option. Sarfraz and Malik play spin well so would put them at 3 and 4 which would negate the threat of NZ Spinners while we would hope to get Kiwis out by playing Nawaz and Immad.But Santner and Sodhi have shown us, not once but twice that they are no amateurs. I know very little about Pak's spinners, so can't comment. But overall, from 2 matches I saw, their spinners are no pushovers. In fact, they are a genuine threat. Link to comment
Autonomous Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 But Santner and Sodhi have shown us, not once but twice that they are no amateurs. I know very little about Pak's spinners, so can't comment. But overall, from 2 matches I saw, their spinners are no pushovers. In fact, they are a genuine threat.Sarfraz can easily play Herath on Day 5 in SriLanka so he will be key against spin a well as Malik who put up momentum against Indian Bowlers and gave some total though it was too late. So these both should bat at 3 and 4. Nawaz likes it when the ball spins and does something so its likely that he will be effective, Malik and Immad can also be handy on spinning track. Good thing about playing Nawaz and Immad both is that it helps batting also as both are capable batsman. Ideally will go with this team if its a turner: Sharjeel, Shehzad, Sarfraz, Malik, Akmal, Latif, Afridi, Immad, Nawaz, Sami, Amir. Link to comment
zen Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) Based on the pic, how will it turn too much when it has a grass cover. The grass has been kept to hold the pitch togetherSo if the grass is cut it would most likely be flat. If the grass is kept, it will assist seamers Edited March 22, 2016 by rett Link to comment
Autonomous Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Based on the pic, how will it turn much when it has a grass cover. The grass has been kept to hold the pitch togetherSo if the grass is cut it would most likely be flat. If the grass is kept, it will assist seamers Should make it Flat. Dont want another Asia Cup type pitch with grass Link to comment
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