Time ticking for Hardik Pandya

[maniac]

I liked the glimpses of promise he has shown in his short career but I am not going be to a Pandya apologist like  a lot of indian fans are becoming these days just because they want to believe that they found the next kapil dev.

Well atleast while bowling parttimers like Yuvi or Raina the captain can hide them when the game is on cruise control or when he can get quick overs out of them when the opposition is a little under pressure.

Pandya has been our weak link with the ball in the last few games....yeah he has a knack of picking up the odd wicket per game but he is clearly the most hittable of all our bowlers raina and Yuvraj .

He has struggled on pitches that have offered something for seamers or spinners with the bat.....yeah as a fielder he definitely is one of the best out there.

i think given the conditions and the way pitches have behaved so far, it's time we went with Bhajji instead of Pandya....I don't think given the situations pandya bats in Bhajji won't do way worse Infact gives that much more assurance.

i am not saying dump him for good... Give him a long rope and keep him around in the scheme of things for a while ,while he works on his game but right now don't think he has done enough to walk into the starting line up of every single game.

I think he is probably the most dispensable member of the X1 right now and personally I feel more comfortable with bhajji in the line up with the bat or ball instead of Pandya atleast for this tournament. 

[Ultimate_Game]

The guy has barely been given chances and has performed quite well given few chances. Pandya deserves to be given a long run in both T20s and odis as he has shown enough promise.

Edited March 22, 2016 by Ultimate_Game

[maniac]

I never said to dump him forever but we need to play according to the conditions..... I would obviously take him over an unknown commodity like negi but right now bhajji needs to replace him.

much better bowler and equally capable of not better power hitter.

i shudder to think what would have happened if pandya was bowling in the final 10 if Pak happened to chase in Kolkata.

[Ultimate_Game]

I never said to dump him forever but we need to play according to the conditions..... I would obviously take him over an unknown commodity like negi but right now bhajji needs to replace him.

much better bowler and equally capable of not better power hitter.

i shudder to think what would have happened if pandya was bowling in the final 10 if Pak happened to chase in Kolkata.

No, Bhajji is not in the same category as Pandya in batting. Plus we have 4 spin options in the playing XI which is more than enough.

[CG]

He has potential to take indian cricket to another level.He is a good batsman who can bowl.His bowling needs work he has been trying too much variations may be due to instructions.He basically is an inswing bowler and hits the deck hard at 135ks.Its t20 so most can get hit .

[maniac]

No, Bhajji is not in the same category as Pandya in batting. Plus we have 4 spin options in the playing XI which is more than enough.

and you are saying this based on what????

[zen]

Pandya is a good prospect. However, his place in the 11 should be based on horses for courses and form. 

Talking about WT20, NZ benched Southee and Boult, both of whom rank among the top pace bowlers today, while we have to discuss so much to even pick a team based on conditions!

More than Pandya, Raina appears to be a bigger question mark. Since Raina is struggling with the bat, it is as if Ind is playing him as a bowler. If his batting does not seem to improve, why not just play a regular bowler like Bhajji who can be more effective in helpful conditions. 

Pandya on the other hand can be used as a floater in the batting line up. He can be slotted at 5 or 6 and even asked to open if we require to get more runs in PP. If he fails, Kohli comes in early anyways.

Since Ind would have 5 bowlers, Pandya can bowl if required.

In this WT20, unless the pitch is flat, Ind should go with 4 best batsmen + Dhoni + Pandya / Raina + 3 spinners + 2 seamers

Basically, Ind's needs to play the best 2 from Yuvi, Raina and Pandya. Right now the 3 of them are neither bowling well nor batting with confidence. Based on how are squad is picked, it would make sense to open up one of the slots for a regular bowler

Edited March 22, 2016 by rett

[maniac]

Pandya is a good prospect. However, his place in the 11 should be based on horses for courses and form. 

Talking about WT20, NZ benched Southee and Boult, both of whom rank among the top pace bowlers today, while we have to discuss so much to even pick a team based on conditions!

More than Pandya, Raina appears to be a bigger question mark. Since Raina is struggling with the bat, it is as if Ind is playing him as a bowler. If his batting does not seem to improve, why not just play a regular bowler like Bhajji who can be more effective in helpful conditions. 

Pandya on the other hand can be used as a floater in the batting line up. He can be slotted at 5 or 6 and even asked to open if we require to get more runs in PP. If he fails, Kohli comes in early anyways.

Since Ind would have 5 bowlers, Pandya can bowl if required.

In this world cup, unless the pitch is flat, Ind should go with 4 best batsmen + Dhoni + Pandya / Raina + 3 spinners + 2 seamers

 

I kinda agree with this..... If batting is his supposed strong suite then let him bat higher up or even open.play him as a batsman... May not do worse than raina or Dhawan and bowling is a bonus.

bring in bhajji a better bowler and an adept power hitter.

this is the problem people like pandya for what he is but no one is confident in him as a pure batsman or a pure bowler.

if Watson or Corey Anderson pull their shoulder muscles or something which prevents them from bowling,they can still play as batsmen, can we afford the same with pandya???

[zen]

In my book, if Ind is knocked out, it would be because of:

a) Playing too many bits and pieces cricketers in the 11 (Yuvi, Raina and Pandya) who did not perform adequately in any department

b) Ignoring specialists, who could have been more useful in helpful conditions

c) Not playing 11 based on horses for courses

d) Bad captaincy including overs allocation

e) 15 member squad selection 

 

Mainly in Ganguly's time, iirc, we started compromising the 5th bowler as we had quite a few star batsmen who could not be ignored. Some of these batsmen could bowl decently too. The 5th bowler did not bring in as much value as these star batsmen did. Also the rules and how the game was played was different (no T20 as well). But it appears as if still haven't got over that hangover despite the game having changed now 

 

As an Ind cricket team fan (not of individual players, and players come and go), I m still hoping that Ind turn things around and win this tournament 

Edited March 22, 2016 by rett

[Adi_91]

Pandya enjoys the backing of MSD and possibly Kohli and that's what matters.

Also, I prefer having guys who are fresh and confident in the team than people who are past their expiry date in cricket. Honestly, Bhajji is past his expiry date long time back.

One thing is clear, in this tournament, in any pitch, pace off the ball is the way forward, so maybe Pandya need not bowl, but he need not be dropped. Yuvi can always chip in with 2 overs and bowl okay.

[zen]

 Yuvi can always chip in with 2 overs and bowl okay.

"chipping in" is an issue not a solution  .... and who knows because of the "chipping in" concept of our selectors, Ind has never been a true world beater (and probably will never be) despite having resources .... if Ind cricket needs to improve, this "chipping in" concept needs to go

Selectors and captain should pick batsmen on their ability to score runs, bowlers on their ability to pick up wkts, etc. 

I like Pandya too and he can be in the 11. The point is that the team needs to pick 2 from Yuvi, Raina and Pandya (a couple of posts above discuss that)

Bhajji may be past his best but unfortunately we have to make do with what is in the squad. The squad chosen is not perfect in the first place 

 

Edited March 22, 2016 by rett

[Adi_91]

 

Bhajji may be past his best but unfortunately we have to make do with what is in the squad. The squad chosen is not perfect in the first place 

 

He is the biggest passenger in this team. Last year during the World Cup, he was busy giving post match analysis in tv channels instead of working on his game. Don't think he deserved a place in this squad. So, is the case with Yuvi.

[zen]

He is the biggest passenger in this team. Last year during the World Cup, he was busy giving post match analysis in tv channels instead of working on his game. Don't think he deserved a place in this squad. So, is the case with Yuvi.

Agree .... 1. We don't select the right squad, and 2. We cut corners in the playing 11 to make things work somehow because the squad is not selected properly

The idea of a 15 men squad is to use all the resources. Like in soccer (different sport but a good example), we make substitutions even in an on-going game depending upon the situation 

[Adi_91]

Agree .... 1. We don't select the right squad, and 2. We cut corners in the playing 11 to make things work somehow because the squad is not selected properly

The idea of a 15 men squad is to use all the resources. Like in soccer (different sport but a good example), we make substitutions even in an on-going game depending upon the situation 

This really baffles me. Dhoni and selectors sit together and pick Bhajji in the squad. But then, he never gets a game (looking at the way things have gone, doubt he will get a game this tournament). So, who picked him, selectors forced it on Dhoni? 

[zen]

This really baffles me. Dhoni and selectors sit together and pick Bhajji in the squad. But then, he never gets a game (looking at the way things have gone, doubt he will get a game this tournament). So, who picked him, selectors forced it on Dhoni? 

I guess our selectors and captains concepts are so flawed that they probably focus on 11-12 players and then throw in the other 3.

Like NZ, they probably don't think of each player as a resource who could be utilized for team's benefits 

Therefore, we also complain about pitches as we don't plan well and are caught off guard when the conditions don't match the chosen 11's strengths 

Dhoni was also probably dreaming about flat pitches. He complained in BD about not getting the right pitches to practise on for WT20. In WT20, he is probably still looking for his perfect pitch 

 

 

[Adi_91]

I guess our selectors and captains concepts are so flawed that they probably focus on 11-12 players and then throw in the other 3.

Like NZ, they probably don't think of each player as a resource who could be utilized for team's benefits 

Therefore, we also complain about pitches as we don't plan well and are caught off guard when the conditions don't match the chosen 11's strengths 

Dhoni was also probably dreaming about flat pitches. He complained in BD about not getting the right pitches to practise on for WT20. In WT20, he is probably still looking for his perfect pitch 

 

 

No wonder, we are here praying that we don't get knocked out. There is clearly lack of vision from the selectors and even probably captain. If it works, all will hail it, but if it fails, criticism is set to be fired. Wonder if there is an end to this.

[zen]

No wonder, we are here praying that we don't get knocked out. There is clearly lack of vision from the selectors and even probably captain. If it works, all will hail it, but if it fails, criticism is set to be fired. Wonder if there is an end to this.

I still find it hard to believe that we lost to NZ on a turner .... We should ideally be at the top of the group now with other teams worried about having to face us

If Ind wins, it will be because some of the players will perform exceptionally. It would be due to their brilliance and not strategy

Winning based on strategy would be like how NZ used its resources to win despite the odds. How Eng planned to go all out w/o worrying about wkts falling in the PP vs SA 

If we win and hail this, it would be an example of our "chalta hai" attitude

Basically, Strategy is about knowing where you are, where you want to go, and how you will get there. Strategy is about making choices based on the strengths, weakneeses, opportunities and threats. It is about knowing where to play, how to play and how to win.

When you cannot make the choice, you try to cover all bases and hope for the best which is what Ind usually does. And if it somehow works (because of form of some players), the concept of not making right choices (because you don't understand the environment) and therefore covering all bases ironically becomes a strategy! 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 22, 2016 by rett

[deathmonger]

Pandya should be persisted with for some time. If he can go on to the next level like Jaddu has then the bowling will be really scary - Shami, Bumrah, Ashwin, Jaddu, Pandya (in LOIs).

[Texan]

He seems to be the best of the seamer-batsman allrounder combination. Looks leagues better than either Rishi Dhawan or Mr. Langer. We do need a seamer bowler / lower order hitter player in the XI. I would definitely keep him in the team. Should be picked for ODIs too. Calls for some patience here. Lets also not forget his athletic fielding. 

[StriKe]

If Binny can play for India LOI team..Why not Pandya   Pandya is way better than Bunny Binny as AR