philcric Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 If RCB had their whole squad to pick from (ie. Starc and Badree being fit), is there a chance Gayle would miss out on the playing XI? There's no doubt Gayle is the best T20 batsman in the world when in form, and he will be the first choice in any team. Even if his form is middling, he'll get into most teams. But for RCB, for the team balance, there's a chance to drop him if he's not in great form. RCB is an unbalanced team. Great batting strength but average bowling over the years. But they do have Starc and Badree in the squad who are among the tier-1 bowlers in the T20 format. With the acquisition of Watson, now they have another good bowler (and a great all-rounder). Mandeep Singh Shane Watson * Virat Kohli AB DeVilliers Sarfraz Ahmed + Kedar Jadhav Stuart Binny Mitchell Starc Harshal / Aaron / Aravind / Nechim (whoever is in form) Chahal (or Rasool, based on form / opposition) Samuel Badree Watson almost gives a similar batting value of Gayle as an opening bat, with a great additional benefit of very good bowling. DeVilliers obviously is a much better middle order batsman and fielder, also can keep wicket if required. Gayle is a burden when it comes to fielding. That's a much more balance team. The batting is still very strong. Watson, Kohli and DeVillers are proven international batsmen. Mandeep, Sarfraz and Jadhav are some of the better Indian non-international batsmen. Now the bowling too looks very good. Starc, Badree and Watson are the bankers, you can pretty much count on them in every game. Chahal is more than decent. The only weak link is the the Indian pacer's spot, but with the first 6 and last 4 overs taken care of (Badree, Starc, Watson), the 5th bowler can bowl in non pressure overs in the middle and do a decent job. Binny isn't a great player but he'd do good as the 7th batter and the 6th bowler in that line up. With the above XI, the team is not under pressure to score 180+ all the time. It'd have very good chance of winning even with 160 sort of scores. PS: All the above has any merit for discussion only if Gayle is not in great form. If he's in form, nothing else matters. For Gayle, great form across a full season is something like 40+ average with 150+ SR, middling form would be 30-35 average with SR around 130. tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourab10forever Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Maybe . But not before he gets a minimum of 5 games. They definitely wouldn't start without him unless he is injured. Kohli and Gayle are Chaddi dosts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Most probably not unless he have pretty poor performance for more than 5/6 matches on trot. Normally he will provide one big innings. Next season is different story,we have to find a alternative opener. Kedar Jadhav as WK is a concern..he is poor in first match.... Edited April 15, 2016 by bulbul diehardpacer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debutant Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Nah, he will always start. Maybe if he fails for 5 or 6 matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Wish Starc is playing Edited April 15, 2016 by bulbul diehardpacer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 U wnt get anything diff from mandeep as well, he wud to be inconsistent The thing with players like gayle is even if he doesnt perform , there is always a psychological edge to them. Opp Fear him no matter wat when they step in , which obv helps others like virat n ab to get a start within that time and once they are set they wnt throw it. Rcb biggest strength is the fear tht its batting order gives u b4 the match itself, if u remove gayle from this lineup it wnt be fearful. Yes how i wish starc was there.......then there wudnt have been a lineup like this diehardpacer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 ^Ankt Shrma , thr r no wrd rstrctions in ICF..u can rite as much as u wnt witout wory. tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 No even though he's almost past it, gayle will be the first name on the list,he's their biggest star along with Kohli and people come to watch him play from all over the country.they aint selling gayle or dropping him even if he fails completely this season,a bit like rooney situation at Manchester United diehardpacer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 1 minute ago, adi B said: No even though he's almost past it, gayle will be the first name on the list,he's their biggest star along with Kohli and people come to watch him play from all over the country.they aint selling gayle or dropping him even if he fails completely this season,a bit like rooney situation at Manchester United You forgot AB...he is equal to Gayle IN Bangalore [ AB is even bigger star than Gayle across country] diehardpacer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Gayle won't be dropped unless he gets injured. Too big a player. Coming to the team. Binny is useless. He is neither a good batsman or a good bowler. Bowling is RCB's weak point, so would look to strengthen it. So instead of going for a bits n pieces player like Binny rather go with a proper bowler like Rasool. If needed Rasool can throw his bat around too. Starc too is capable of some big hits. Batting won't be weakened but bowling will definitively be more stronger. So 3 Pacers : Starc, Watson, Indian bowler(preferably Aaron) and 3 spinners: Badree, Chahal, Rasool. So 6 proper bowlers will provide the required cushion to Kohli if one them goes for runs, which is more likely to happen since they play most of their matches on the flat pitches in Chinnaswamy. This should be the team if Starc and Badree comeback and Gayle is dropped/Unfit, Mandeep Singh Shane Watson * Virat Kohli AB DeVilliers Sarfraz Ahmed + Kedar Jadhav Rasool Mitchell Starc Aaron Chahal Samuel Badree Edited April 15, 2016 by Mosher tweaker, adi B and diehardpacer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 ^ We can injure Gayle if required diehardpacer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mosher said: Gayle won't be dropped unless he gets injured. Too big a player. Coming to the team. Binny is useless. He is neither a good batsman or a good bowler. Bowling is RCB's weak point, so would look to strengthen it. So instead of going for a bits n pieces player like Binny rather go with a proper bowler like Rasool. If needed Rasool can throw his bat around too. So 3 Pacers : Starc, Watson, Indian bowler(preferably Aaron) and 3 spinners: Badree, Chahal, Rasool. So 6 proper bowlers will provide the required cushion to Kohli if one them goes for runs, which is more likely to happen since they play most of their matches on the flat pitches in Chinnaswamy. This should be the team if Starc and Badree comeback and Gayle is dropped/Unfit, Mandeep Singh Shane Watson * Virat Kohli AB DeVilliers Sarfraz Ahmed + Kedar Jadhav Rasool Mitchell Starc Aaron Chahal Samuel Badree Don't want too much change in batting order.... Ab/Kohli should bat most of the overs if Gayle is not there. Edited April 15, 2016 by bulbul diehardpacer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, bulbul said: Don't want too much change in batting order.... Ab/Kohli should bat most of the overs if Gayle is not there. Right. Then Mandeep and Kohli to open the batting and AB at no.3 followed by Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Mosher said: Right. Then Mandeep and Kohli to open the batting and AB at no.3 followed by Watson. That's on bit slower side.Need one opener bat as quickly as possible. [Gayle also starts slowly but he is different beast] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourab10forever Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, Mosher said: Gayle won't be dropped unless he gets injured. Too big a player. Coming to the team. Binny is useless. He is neither a good batsman or a good bowler. Bowling is RCB's weak point, so would look to strengthen it. So instead of going for a bits n pieces player like Binny rather go with a proper bowler like Rasool. If needed Rasool can throw his bat around too. Starc too is capable of some big hits. Batting won't be weakened but bowling will definitively be more stronger. So 3 Pacers : Starc, Watson, Indian bowler(preferably Aaron) and 3 spinners: Badree, Chahal, Rasool. So 6 proper bowlers will provide the required cushion to Kohli if one them goes for runs, which is more likely to happen since they play most of their matches on the flat pitches in Chinnaswamy. This should be the team if Starc and Badree comeback and Gayle is dropped/Unfit, Mandeep Singh Shane Watson * Virat Kohli AB DeVilliers Sarfraz Ahmed + Kedar Jadhav Rasool Mitchell Starc Aaron Chahal Samuel Badree Three front line spinners? Probably drop Rasool for Aravind. And kholi will open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, sourab10forever said: Three front line spinners? Probably drop Rasool for Aravind. And kholi will open. Already have 3 pacers. one more will be an overkill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakk Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 lol at full strength squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakk Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 inka full strength top 3 se shuru hota hai aur top 3 per hi khatam hota hai :phehe: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulbul Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 5 minutes ago, zakk said: inka full strength top 3 se shuru hota hai aur top 3 per hi khatam hota hai :phehe: Obviously RCB vs MI last match score card confirms that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakk Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 11 minutes ago, bulbul said: Obviously RCB vs MI last match score card confirms that RCB vs MI last match Chinnaswamy me huwa tha aur BHAJJI ne watt lagadi thi tumhari us match me lagta hai tum bhoole se bhi bhoola nahi paa rahe BHAJJI ki us dhulayi ko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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