Debutant Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 When wickets are falling and batting is tough, the most experienced batsman hides behind the tailenders and only comes to bat where he faces 10 or 15 deliveries but when the team is in a wining position will promote himself to hit the winning runs. Can't remember any other player who is such a coward asterix, Rasgulla, Bigg Brother and 6 others 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WC2011INDIA Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Yes. diehardpacer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New guy Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 23 minutes ago, Debutant said: When wickets are falling and batting is tough, the most experienced batsman hides behind the tailenders and only comes to bat where he faces 10 or 15 deliveries but when the team is in a wining position will promote himself to hit the winning runs. Can't remember any other player who is such a coward The worst thing is, his blind fans will then worship him and call him best finisher Rasgulla, tweaker, Bigg Brother and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 He actually doctors the pitches to win matches but now a days opponents know his tricks and beats him using his own tricks... On his own doctored pitches he avoids facing spinners doesn't matter if he's to hide behind tailenders... He only comes to bat to face pace bowlers so that he can smack few boundaries to hunt glory... In the process his sucker fans literally jizz their pants off... You can see from their posts that they are jizzing... diehardpacer, tweaker, Rightarmfast and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Realist Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Don't forget his long rope club. Unlimited opportunities to fail for the chosen ones. diehardpacer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosingh Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I heard he even stole Sachin's ice cream once. Rasgulla and diehardpacer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HippoSucks Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) I was not a fan of Dhoni until a few years back, because until then I didn't know how ridiculously good he was as a batsman and how unselfish he was. Here are some statistics to think about He averages 82 at #3 and 60 and #4. Instead, he decided to drop down to #6 because at that time India needed a finisher in the middle order. If he was selfish, he could have easily continued playing at #3 and would be averaging 60. Of course this doesn't directly apply to the IPL, but if he sacrificed this much for his team, I don't think he would care about his IPL records. Despite this, we have Indian fans constantly trying to find nonexistent flaws in him. I heard today that his neighbours want to file a case against Dhoni because he uses too much water in his swimming pool. Edited April 26, 2016 by HippoSucks Mariyam, Rasgulla, tweaker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) I dnt think he is selfish No captain can be selfish specially someone successful Its always said about captains is they always may overuse or underuse themselves In dhoni's case he has underused himself n we all admit that N one of u actually mentioned long ropes giving to failure well it has happened with captains even sourav ganguly gave long rope to guys like Rohan gavaskar, Parthiv patel and others. All captains feel some player might deilver and they do give them extra time. Yes i have been very critical of his choices descion making and even his batting position but calling him selfish is way to much. I rem inzamam use to bat low n imran khan kept screaming bat up n same thing happened in case of misbah. Well there is school of thought that also feel let me handle the tough time which is in lower order and best position to bat in Odi is top 3 n even in t20. I do think Batting in lower order for 7-8 yrs has affected his mindset now i dnt feel he understands his batting potential and how gud he is thats y i have been saying he shud bat up now as much as possible. I do read this lot a captain is selfish speciallyu in case of dhoni that he threw ppl like gambhir sehwag yuvi bhajji all out becoz he felt threat to his captaincy which is laughable. They all debut before him if they didnt became captain b4 him wnt after him and if that was the case trust me b4 them kohli wud have got a kick. Another incidence i remeber , when we won 2011wc a big section also said dhoni was selfish and took away yuvraj limelight by coming above which was another bizzare thing to say. Anybody with some cricket sense wud tell u yuvraj always struggled against muralitharan and there were 3 offies operating. Dhoni mostly had a upper hand against murali n even sri lankan team and a right hander to play those 3 offies. Now dhoni n gambhir had this gr8 thing about their partnership their running n converting 1in 2n 2into 3which actually took completely sri lanka out of game . Yuvraj singh didnt rely to heavily on running. Thats were send himself up n took responsibilty knowing had he failed what kind of backlash he wud have had n there wasnt just 30 runs left . Although i wish he wud have done that next 4yrs more but didnt knew y it didnt happen still not a selfish act No captain can ever be selfish becoz he knws his jobs stays till the team wins. If u have ever played a cricket match be it in ur backyard or school college or any level remember when u captained a side all u wud have ever thought was how shud team win . N if u did that well he is one of the most succesfull captains. Edited April 26, 2016 by Ankit_sharma03 HippoSucks, Rasgulla, tweaker and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 2 hours ago, HippoSucks said: I was not a fan of Dhoni until a few years back, because until then I didn't know how ridiculously good he was as a batsman and how unselfish he was. Here are some statistics to think about He averages 82 at #3 and 60 and #4. Instead, he decided to drop down to #6 because at that time India needed a finisher in the middle order. If he was selfish, he could have easily continued playing at #3 and would be averaging 60. Of course this doesn't directly apply to the IPL, but if he sacrificed this much for his team, I don't think he would care about his IPL records. Despite this, we have Indian fans constantly trying to find nonexistent flaws in him. I heard today that his neighbours want to file a case against Dhoni because he uses too much water in his swimming pool. How many of those innings at 3 are outside India? It isnt a huge sample set. Rasgulla, tweaker and Rightarmfast 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HippoSucks Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) 17 minutes ago, rkt.india said: How many of those innings at 3 are outside India? It isnt a huge sample set. He has 7 innings at #3 with 421 runs and an average of 105 away from home. At positions #3 to #5, Dhoni averages 61 over 96 innings overall and 59 away over 44 innings Leaving statistics aside, from just watching him bat at those positions, you can imagine how destructive he would have been had he batted there permanently. Edited April 27, 2016 by HippoSucks Rasgulla, tweaker and sscomp32 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debutant Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 Dhoni is not only selfish and coward but also corrupt too. We all know how he tried fill the Indian team with his CSK chamchas like Jadeja and Mohit Sharma . It was not a surprise that he played Hahane, one of the worst T20 players to ever play, in the crucial T20 WC semis in place of a proven clutch player Dhawan. We all know what happened next. Rahane played an incredibly selfish innings in a flat track and India lost the match. But Dhoni got what he wanted when Rahane smashed the MI bowlers in the opening IPL match. The much needed match practice for Rahane in the T20 WC semis delivered the expected result. What a clever man indeed Bigg Brother, Rasgulla, Forever Indian and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannister Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 The way BCCI sacked him in the middle of the test series, that is how he should be treated in the end if his pathetic career. tweaker, diehardpacer, Rasgulla and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 3 hours ago, HippoSucks said: He has 7 innings at #3 with 421 runs and an average of 105 away from home. At positions #3 to #5, Dhoni averages 61 over 96 innings overall and 59 away over 44 innings Leaving statistics aside, from just watching him bat at those positions, you can imagine how destructive he would have been had he batted there permanently. stats without context are worthless. now you are including position #5 in it too. You said he would have been better if he had batted more at 3. Those stats wont tell you that Dhoni has never batted at 3 for a sustained period. He would float and come to bat at 3 when openers gave us a good start. For a number 3, many times, one has to come in to bat when bowlers are on top with early wickets which he has not done because he rarely batted at 3 for a sustained period, normally batted up only after a good start to capitalize. In places, like England, SA, NZ, Australia, top 3 have been the toughest positions to bat. Even Hussey averaged 87 once in test cricket once, but he could not sustain as he played more. Same with Dhoni, high might or might not sustain that average if he was a permanent #3 for us. tweaker, Mariyam and Rightarmfast 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourab10forever Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) Ask harsha Bhogle.. Edited April 27, 2016 by sourab10forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 He has 7 innings at #3 with 421 runs and an average of 105 away from home. At positions #3 to #5, Dhoni averages 61 over 96 innings overall and 59 away over 44 innings Leaving statistics aside, from just watching him bat at those positions, you can imagine how destructive he would have been had he batted there permanently. That's a myth and thank God Dhoni knows his limitations. On flat tracks at no 3 he could score but when the ball moved he would be found out. Dhoni always promotes himself if tracks are spinning as he handles spin really well. I do not think he is selfish but he knows his limitations and some times underestimates himself. He kind of likes easy situations not willing to grind. sscomp32 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivaji bhonsle Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Dhoni is not only selfish and coward but also corrupt too. We all know how he tried fill the Indian team with his CSK chamchas like Jadeja and Mohit Sharma . It was not a surprise that he played Hahane, one of the worst T20 players to ever play, in the crucial T20 WC semis in place of a proven clutch player Dhawan. We all know what happened next. Rahane played an incredibly selfish innings in a flat track and India lost the match. But Dhoni got what he wanted when Rahane smashed the MI bowlers in the opening IPL match. The much needed match practice for Rahane in the T20 WC semis delivered the expected result. What a clever man indeed Dhoni was never in favor of playing Rahane in t 20s. He had said this numerous times. Rasgulla and sscomp32 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivaji bhonsle Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 He is a wicket keeping batsman. Its unfair to expect him to play at no.3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New guy Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 3 hours ago, Shivaji bhonsle said: He is a wicket keeping batsman. Its unfair to expect him to play at no.3. Except when he wants to shine by hitting the winning runs with 4 left of the last over tweaker, asterix and Rasgulla 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 3 hours ago, Shivaji bhonsle said: He is a wicket keeping batsman. Its unfair to expect him to play at no.3. Gilchrist also was wk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivaji bhonsle Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Except when he wants to shine by hitting the winning runs with 4 left of the last over You can't blame him since he is best at that. Gilchrist also was wk. Not everyone s gilly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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