puneet28 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 How you guys rate him ? Looks decent enough to replace Jadeja at least in T20s. Jadeja hasn't done anything to be included in T20s beetle and diehardpacer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourab10forever Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Yeah good as of now. Hope he doesn't give us hope like his brother and get dull..maybe it's best to not rush him. tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourab10forever Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I think he is the only Indian all-rounder in the recent past who is somewhat equal in both bat and ball. tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 right now, the best spin + batting option .... have to give him opportunities so that he can adjust to the international cricket esp against good fast bowling .... vs spinners and medium pacers, he will have no problems with the bat .... could improve as a bowler too .... overall, a package with great potential! tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 By this year's IPL he has outperformed jadeja by miles both in bowling and batting tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) Lets watch him some more before rating him. His hitting ability and power are unmistakable though. Most of his shots are in the proverbial V...and that is another plus. Looks like he has not got much opportunity to play genuine pace and practice against it. Should do better when he does as he is not afraid against quicks and can pull the ball too. Edited May 15, 2016 by express bowling tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 By this year's IPL he has outperformed jadeja by miles both in bowling and batting Jaddu won't be able to hit like that in his life time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, asterix said: Jaddu won't be able to hit like that in his life time... May do so if he is playing against the U16 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Deserves a call in narional side. His batting is very composed. Least selectors can do is drop bhajji dhoni yuvi jaddu raina and give chance to few ipl youngsters tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Deserves a call in narional side. His batting is very composed. Least selectors can do is drop bhajji dhoni yuvi jaddu raina and give chance to few ipl youngsters Which format you are taking about? Don't forget Dhoni is still captain of T20 Team (which is actually a shame)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Well axar and jaddu have also showed some glimpses in the past but turned out to be total duds later. jaddu was called a rockstar by Warne after first few seasons. i won't jump on the Pandya sr bandwagon yet as I also called Pandya jr bluff before. at this point he is just Yusuf Pathan lite and he did not look comfortable against 140k+ bowling. lets hold on to our horses here.... Yusuf is a better batsman and jaddu a better bowler than k.pandya at the moment....let's hope he improves...stop hyping him at the moment not entirely sold....yes a good innings today and a couple of cameos this season but let's wait. tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, asterix said: Which format you are taking about? Don't forget Dhoni is still captain of T20 Team (which is actually a shame)... T20 and odis. Both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 T20 and odis. Both Not a chance for both YuPa and KPan as Dhoni captain in both formats.. Won't allow to drop his ex-CSK mates... Jaddu is actually his heartthrob.. tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 T20 and odis. Both Not a chance for both YuPa and KPan as Dhoni captain in both formats.. Won't allow to drop his ex-CSK mates... Jaddu is actually his heartthrob.. maniac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) 36 minutes ago, maniac said: i won't jump on the Pandya sr bandwagon yet as I also called Pandya jr bluff before. You should demarcate between pointing out the potential of a player and hype. The journey of a young cricketer, with above average potential, is rarely a linear one to success. Apart from the talent to succeed in international cricket, there are many other qualities required to become an ultimate success. Like temperament, focus, will to work hard, cricketing brain, ability to learn from mistakes, remaining fit, hunger for success etc. Even when some or all these qualities are present , players usually have to go through a development process. Our domestic cricket is such that competition is very low and there are too many state teams filled with mediocre players. This results in semi-developed players representing team India and improving as they play international cricket, provided the qualities discussed above are present. Usually, a dip comes in the 2nd season as a successful player is analyzed and his shortcomings found out. Some players have the ability to work hard and overcome this while others don't. Different players have different maturity levels and learning speeds too. In a nut-shell....once a talent is identified it does not mean that he is hyped....it is just the identification of talent and nothing more. He may or maynot succeed because of the reasons discussed above and more players with potential fail and only a few come out winners. Also....players with potential have to be backed hard and given the proper time , support as well as coaching to develop based on their type.....immediate success is very very rare and it often takes 3 to 5 years. Edited May 15, 2016 by express bowling asterix, Mosher, tweaker and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 12 minutes ago, express bowling said: You should demarcate between pointing out the potential of a player and hype. The journey of a young cricketer, with above average potential, is rarely a linear one to success. Apart from the talent to succeed in international cricket, there are many other qualities required to become an ultimate success. Like temperament, focus, will to work hard, cricketing brain etc. Even when some or all these qualities are present , players usually have to go through a development process. Our domestic cricket is such that competition is very low and there are too many state teams filled with mediocre players. This results in semi-developed players representing team India and improving as they play international cricket, provided the qualities discussed above are present. Usually, a dip comes in the 2nd season as a successful player is analyzed and his shortcomings found out. Some players have the ability to work hard and overcome this while others don't. Different players have different maturity levels and learning speeds too. In a nut-shell....once a talent is identified it does not mean that he is hyped....it is just the identification of talent and nothing more. He may or maynot succeed because of the reasons discussed above and more players with potential fail and only a few come out winners. Also....players with potential have to be backed hard and given the proper time , support as well as coaching to develop based on his type.....immediate success is very very rare and it often takes 3 to 5 years. before I get to krunal let me tell you how we can assess a player even though T20 is probably not the accurate measure of a player's talent 3 players standout to me and I think are ready to take it to the next level samson- the guy over the last few seasons has played good innings in various situations...when the team is down he has pulled it out of its hole, he has played the aggressor when the team required quick runs, he played a mature innings to finish the game chasing targets....so various scenarios so that's a good sign pant- played a blitz when he opened the innings, picked his shots very well and got the job done the other day...yes still early but he has shown a good head on his shoulders sran- has bowled good spells in defending tricky targets...has been composed when playing on flat tracks...yes everyone gets smacked around in t20 on small grounds and flat pitches but the way he has maintained a good temperament in various situations tells me that he can be in the scheme of things. we have seen in the past with likes of valthaty etc who have one moment under the sun but then throw it all away...with krunal or even sarfaraz I haven't seen them play a back to the wall innings or showing maturity or adapting yet...they have been good when everything is perfect but correct me if I am wrong they haven't stood out when things are going bad.i am not totally writing them off but still a long road ahead for them and I personally think they are pretty behind in the pecking order. with sarfaraz there are other external issues atm. But from what I know from u19 WC I think he is very talented. krunal is pretty behind so let's give him some time before we hype him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 @maniac you have to match talent with opportunities. There are openings in team Ind for those who can both bowl and bat including having the ability to hit big. Players such as K Pan, H Pan, etc fall into that category Also K Rahul is a good prospect for a batsman who can keep as well So can you tell me where would the names that you suggested fit in Ind' s 11 in the current set up? maniac and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) 21 minutes ago, maniac said: before I get to krunal let me tell you how we can assess a player even though T20 is probably not the accurate measure of a player's talent 3 players standout to me and I think are ready to take it to the next level samson- the guy over the last few seasons has played good innings in various situations...when the team is down he has pulled it out of its hole, he has played the aggressor when the team required quick runs, he played a mature innings to finish the game chasing targets....so various scenarios so that's a good sign pant- played a blitz when he opened the innings, picked his shots very well and got the job done the other day...yes still early but he has shown a good head on his shoulders sran- has bowled good spells in defending tricky targets...has been composed when playing on flat tracks...yes everyone gets smacked around in t20 on small grounds and flat pitches but the way he has maintained a good temperament in various situations tells me that he can be in the scheme of things. we have seen in the past with likes of valthaty etc who have one moment under the sun but then throw it all away...with krunal or even sarfaraz I haven't seen them play a back to the wall innings or showing maturity or adapting yet...they have been good when everything is perfect but correct me if I am wrong they haven't stood out when things are going bad.i am not totally writing them off but still a long road ahead for them and I personally think they are pretty behind in the pecking order. with sarfaraz there are other external issues atm. But from what I know from u19 WC I think he is very talented. krunal is pretty behind so let's give him some time before we hype him. I agree with you about Pant and Samson. Agree with the reasons which you have given too. Both have the potential to represent India successfully. I would add KL Rahul to that list as a pure batsman...he is actually a much more developed batsman than the other two. I am not that enthusiastic about Sran yet.... because whenever I have seen him in a 4 day or 50 over game...he loses steam. Looks decent to good in a t20 match though. He has had a major shoulder injury and perhaps has not fully recovered yet. Regarding Krunal ....early days. Edited May 15, 2016 by express bowling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, rett said: @maniac you have to match talent with opportunities. There are openings in team Ind for those who can both bowl and bat including having the ability to hit big. Players such as K Pan, H Pan, etc fall into that category Also K Rahul is a good prospect for a batsman who can keep as well So can you tell me where would the names that you suggested fit in Ind' s 11 in the current set up? Yeah forgot Rahul....Lot of slots actually.... Yes the big hitter/allrounder role is open and you are right here are the names I can think of right now based on IPL Hardik, Krunal, Axar,Jadeja, Binny,Yusuf,Irfan,Negi,Bhati(I am not suggesting that all of them are fit to play for India...just all the allrounders who come to mind based on their roles for their respective teams) we might need to assess the strengths and weakness of all these players and the conditions we will be playing in over the next 2 years to see if they are a sure shot. I am not writing of k.Pandya all I am saying is there is nothing that tells me that he will be better than say a jadeja or axar with either the bat/ball. Can't jump on the bandwagon based on one knock....Negi and H Pandya were the flavor of the season last year too but what a waste of slot as they are neither good with the bat or ball so far from what we have seen. opening slot of Dhawan/Rahane and middle slot of Raina is up for grabs too. Based on IPL we have Pant,Samson, Rahul, Hooda,Rayudu, Gambhir who may need to be assessed wicketkeeper bat there is Rahul and Pant again and Uthappa. fast bowling wise Sran and to some extent Aron have stood out(I am not talking about already established players like Bhuvi and Shami) spinners chahal,Jayant and M.Ashwin all these slots are open in the indian side. cant give everyone a shot at once, we need to figure out the pecking order I am basing this solely on IPL ...I am sure there are a lot of domestic players who unfortunately might have had a bad/poor IPL season but they can't be written of either after all the hard yards they have put in. so tell me is Krunal such a standout performer that he can leapfrog everyone here??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, rett said: @maniac you have to match talent with opportunities. There are openings in team Ind for those who can both bowl and bat including having the ability to hit big. Players such as K Pan, H Pan, etc fall into that category Yes.... it is all about doing justice to the role alloted or needed to play Modern day LOIs require players in the lower middle order to hit big from the word go without taking time to settle down bat at a very high SR even if it results in a mediocre average bowl quite a few overs be good fielders High pedigree batsmen who can play long innings are not needed for this role on most days. Batsmen like Kohli, Rahane, Vijay etc. may be of a much higher quality but won't be suited to this role....whereas Krunal, Hardik, Yusuf etc. are suited for this.....which one among them, if any, will succeed in international cricket, only time will tell. Edited May 15, 2016 by express bowling zen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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